scientific explanation for vibrations?

[ElijahW]

I don't use the vibration technique.  I've found them to be a distraction, but I am familiar with the sensation.

My thinking is that the vibrations are coming from blood pulsing through relaxed blood vessels.  All of our blood vessels are surrounded by smooth muscle to help control blood pressure and body temperature.  When we go through the process of relaxing our bodies for sleep we relax the smooth muscles around the blood vessels making them suddenly really lax and malleable.  The pulsing blood causes a ripple effect kind of like punching down on a water bed creating the vibration.  The variance in the vibration's location and frequency is do to the location of the blood vessels that are relaxing and their diameter/length like the strings of a guitar or piano. 

[malganis]

I don't use the vibration technique.  I've found them to be a distraction, but I am familiar with the sensation.

My thinking is that the vibrations are coming from blood pulsing through relaxed blood vessels.  All of our blood vessels are surrounded by smooth muscle to help control blood pressure and body temperature.  When we go through the process of relaxing our bodies for sleep we relax the smooth muscles around the blood vessels making them suddenly really lax and malleable.  The pulsing blood causes a ripple effect kind of like punching down on a water bed creating the vibration.  The variance in the vibration's location and frequency is do to the location of the blood vessels that are relaxing and their diameter/length like the strings of a guitar or piano. 

The traditional chinese medicine say this:

QI, CHI, KI

Qi creates motion and heat.  Only qi creates motion and heat.

Qi activates. It makes the muscles contract, the heart beat, and the blood flow. Qi regulates, by its flow, every gland and organ.

Qi flows mainly along the channels.

If qi is abundant and flowing, your body is healthy.

Qi moves the blood, and blood is mother to the qi.


THE BLOOD

Blood feeds and blood cleans.  It carries nourishment to every cell.  At the same time, toxic cell excrement is diluted and carried away by the blood.    If the blood is weak, we starve.  If its movement is insufficient, we wallow in our wastes.

The bood is parent to the qi.  If the blood is weak, the qi is weak.

Qi and blood are inseperable.

So the qi (energy) and blood are interconnected. Maybe this could help to explain vibrations further.

[Chris]

I'll attempt to keep this short.

As most of you have experienced, our consciousness, however you define it, is mobile. However, in order for it to express itself, and for it to experience any particular state of being, it must go through a series of energetic transformations. The more abrupt and different these transformations and energetic reactions are, the more we feel them. As an example think of what happens to transformations of energy in the form of heat in the air. These transformations can be subtle, or they can be very devastatingly powerful.

The vibrations are simply your consciousness transforming or tuning into another state. The more separated that state is from the current focus of your consciousness, the more abrupt or energetic those sensations will be. It is similar to what happens when you lay on your arm too long and it goes to sleep. The moment you get up, you start to suddenly regain sensation in your arm and you start feeling strong tingling. Once the consciousness has become refocused to that sensation the vibrations will stop.

Incedentally, if you are a regular practitioner of meditation, over time you will be able to transition more smoothly and vibrations will become less in intesity and duration. If you are able to expand your conscious focus over several spectrums of energy throughout the day constantly and consistently, the vibrations will dissappear all together when going obe.

I hope that provides some insight.

[cardio]

Very interesting,

ElijahW. So, it could be a kind of resonance. Veins get relaxed until they reach a natural frequency, which could be the heart reaches natural frequency. Then resonance or vibration appears.

I don't see clearly what you say, Chris...
I think our conscience changes of "vehicle", but without any transformation of energy.
And I'd say that the vibrations are further more intense when that change goes slowly.
But I'm not sure about this...

Bye.

[Chris]

In order for any two differing types and frequencies of energy to interact (in this case the physical body vehicle is one and the consciousness is another), there must be a coming together or a transition point at which information or energetic interactions from one source transform to the other to share information. You can think of these in general as the transformation points known as the major chakras in the body. However, in reality, the entire physical body has tiny connection/transformation points all over it. My explanation is an over-simplification as in reality we are not speaking of only 2 disparate energies coming together to communicate, but rather many differing spectrums and types of energy interacting very dynamically in a multitude of ways with one another.

I've spent a lot of time investigating this aspect of my energy body. It is quite complex. However, the fundamental principle is very simple. Your consciousness is a certain type/spectrum/frequency of coherent energy that can adapt parts of itself (shift parts of it's own frequency) to match that of another dimension or vehicle (human body) in order to interact with it. The human body is not the only thing it can do this with. Once it adapts or focusses a part of itself on this new energy frequency and attaches, it will then beging to gather information in the form of energetic reactions/transformations from the thing it is in contact with. In our consciousness we call these senses. Your "perception" of not only vibrations but other strong energetic reactions is simply the transition/transformation point between not being in contact (or being less in contact) and being more in contact with those other energies and thus are produced these sensations. The strength of these will depend on how fast/abrupt that interaction or shift of focus happens. In the case of an OBE, the shift is happening from the first physical vehicle to another spectrum which is the second body. The shift from the physical to the second body tends to be the most abrubt causing large energetic sensations... especially if it occurs quickly in the case of a conscious projection as opposed to the more subtle and more gradual sleep dream process. Shifting from the second to the 3rd body is not as energetic in terms of senses and from the 3rd to the fourth even less.

Just like someone learning to ride a bike, juggle, or drive a car... over time you become more "smooth" at doing these transformations and they become second nature.

[Chris]

Perhaps that explanation is yet still too simple. Consciousness itself is not a separate thing. Everything has consciousness (all energy) to some extent of organization or other. The amount of consciousness there is proportional to the complexity of organization, the pattern and frequency of that organization, as well as it's level of coherence. When you have an out of body experience, there is literally a dividing of consciousness where in different senses come to the forefront of one of those consciousnesses. When that consciousness re-integrates with the original consciousness it came from (the human body consciousness), the memory of that experience is shared. But make no mistake, that portion of your consciousness that leaves the physical body is a somewhat different person/consciousness when when it leaves it's state of coherence with the physical body. You might think of it in a musical sense. The piano is not a violin and a violin is not a piano, but coming together they can produce one coherent song or melody. Although both instruments have their own aspects the song they produce together can also be seen to have it's own aspect which is a sum of the two. This sum of the two is like our physical body and the higher bodies of energy which are in coherence with it. However, just like a violin or piano, they are very capable of carrying their own solo tunes.

[Chris]

Some people mistakenly believe that the "mind" must be awake and the body asleep in order to astral project. This is not true. If the physical body is asleep, relaxed, or dormant, this will indeed make projecting relatively easier, but it is quite possible to project while your physical body is active and in fact engaged in activities. This is because the consciousness of the physical body is able to continue without the focus of some of the energy usually associated with it (the spirit). However, when that spirit leaves on an adventure, the physical consciousness becomes somewhat diminished in consciousness and intelligence. The more physical processes and desires take over. This is also why we do more physically or spiritually oriented activities. The more you work toward keeping your "mind", "body", and "spirit" connected and working in coherent unity, the less likely you are to follow base physical desires. Rather, you will be more likely to act on the combined desires of the physical body and higher consciousness. Your perception and your awareness resides in a more expanded and widened state of knowing, and so your decisions tend to reflect that. You can call this your "higher self". Gathering more spiritual energies to yourself and expanding your consciousness will increase your awareness and have a positive influence on your life decisions.

[astral_neophyte]

Some people mistakenly believe that the "mind" must be awake and the body asleep in order to astral project. This is not true. If the physical body is asleep, relaxed, or dormant, this will indeed make projecting relatively easier, but it is quite possible to project while your physical body is active and in fact engaged in activities. This is because the consciousness of the physical body is able to continue without the focus of some of the energy usually associated with it (the spirit). However, when that spirit leaves on an adventure, the physical consciousness becomes somewhat diminished in consciousness and intelligence.

But how?  How does a person train to do this?  What sort of thoughts/steps need to be taken to accomplish this?  All guides I've seen have always been "mind awake/body asleep"  granted, probably because that's easier...still having trouble with it for sure.....just wondering if a guide/advice exists on doing it while physically active (I would want to do it while sitting down, not actually being active, etc..)

Thanks.

[Chris]

Ultimately, it's about learning to change your deeply ingrained belief systems and making your mind mobile. You might say, "but I do believe I can become mobile", but the truth of the matter is you probably don't believe 100%. Belief does not just come the moment you decide you want to believe something. All true belief requires time to develop the correct "patterns" of thought. The first time you drove a car did you truly fully believe you could drive a car? You started out with some belief in your ability to do it, but you were still unsure. That unsureness caused tension and eratic movements in your control. Only until you truly become fully comfortable and able to relax and believe in your reflexes and abilities behind the wheel did you stop acting eratically (I hope ). Our very energy patterns are made up of and affected by our beliefs. I think Jesus statement that faith the size of a seed could move mountains was literal and not figurative (especially if he actually carried out the miracles that are attributed to him). Along with belief (with practice) you will over your life (and perhaps many lives) develop over time a dexterity and agility of mind. At the point this becomes very natural and easy for you, you will be able to do it while body awake.

Now, most people do not want to hear this answer. why? because it requires dedicated effort over time. Learn to accept where you are now. Accept who you are now. Be happy. Be content... and know that only with step by step day by day practice, hard work, and dedication will you achieve your greatest accomplishments. Most people want the easy way, the shortcut, quick results. There is no master alive today who took a shortcut. There are no shortcuts. Fantasizing about shortcuts and not dedicating yourself to a disciplined approach will only retard or stunt your growth. Ok, I've said enough and will shut up.