The intelligent and kind beings

[AndrewTheSinger]

It has called my attention because it happened more than a couple of times, always during some insightful astral travels, I meet these people that I wish to call intelligent and kind beings.

We usually have meaningful conversations, and I spend a lot of time with them during these meetings, they are very very nice, helpful, but there's one thing about them that makes the experience completely bizarre, they are terribly ugly. Hope this won't offend them, I just don't have a better way to put it and, it really feels like they are sentient beings, probably the most interesting I have ever met.

Their looks is like they are more than 200 years old, sometimes they don't have nose, just a few rotten teeth, their skin resembles corpses or mummies, but their most impressive feature is their intelligence. For a human, they are next to angels.

Today I had a chat with one of them, we went through some halls while he was telling me about his existence, and asked me about mine and my current situation. I remember telling him that my body was really in bed sleeping, and that I often go for a 'walk'. Then I said "But there's something really strange here, I know you are good and everything but I can't see you correctly, I must be interpreting this all wrong because I see you as a walking corpse.". I don't remember exactly what he said after that, but it went on though now it's really hard to tell what happened.

Not long ago I remember being tested by one of them, they asked me about my physical life, tested my reflexes and other skills, and it is always extremely real, so real that I'm sure that they exist, I'm only not sure that I'm seeing them right. 

[jub jub]

They probably look how you expect them to look instead of how you want them to look. Next time you project, project with the intent for the beings to have a nice appearance. After all, I believe most of what we see and do in the astral, is conjured up in our minds. It's real all right, then again, what is real?

[Golden Light]

I just had to reply to this - I had a "dream" that I was with an alien, for lack of a better word, and she was rewarding me. It was a very very very long "dream" and so vivid.  So, real. Some of mine has faded but so much has remained very clear. From what she looked like to what the "ship" looked like. I know how nuts that sounds, believe me. But that was the FIRST dream I'd had like it and then the next dream like it was what seemed to be an AP.

Can you remember any more of what you talked about or what the place looked like. The "being" I spoke with didn't look like what you described, but I had a fairly long conversation too. Really liked to hear more.

Golden Light

[AndrewTheSinger]

When I focused on his face trying to make it change there were some waves of energy flowing there, but no change happened. I think it's nice though, because I can identify them easily, most dream characters don't share as much good informations as these beings, so I now know who to look for.

To me they look like humans, but extremely old, like way more than 100 years old. What did the being you spoke with look like?

It seems we were in a big hospital, nighttime, large halls and corridors, some other normal people around dressed in white, there was a tv set attached to the ceiling somewhere. At first I was just listening, he told me about his occupation, and that he also didn't live there but was just passing by. Then he asked me about my life, I told many things and asked for some advices. I probably asked some things about the afterlife too. Some things they can tell, some things I should not know.

On the experience that I was being tested they asked me to lift a certain weight, which I did without difficulty, but after I was done I noticed it might have been heavy. Ah, there was a wooden table, a blond woman on the left, the old being on the center, and a young man on the right. I sat in front of them. There was a round clock on the wall behind them.

They asked me things about my physical existence, probably to see how much I could remember from it, and I did fine too.The old being then asked me to follow the beat, he began hitting the table with a silverware at probably 700 bpm. Pretty impossible to do, I started very slow, but then after some time I was hitting as fast as him. They said I shouldn't be there. The old being said that there are 3 people that can help me, but I was almost waking up at that time and couldn't hear much of what he spoke.

[AndrewTheSinger]

I had forgotten this, before I walked into that room where they spoke to me, I had to go through walkways around a court where there were huge pillars in the way. A woman that took me there insisted for the 'guards?' to let me get in through the door, but they said I should go that way.

It was difficult, almost like a maze. When I saw where I was going to there were some people watching and another 'guard?' sitting on a chair by the door counting with his fingers, what I later discovered, the seconds that I was taking to get there.

I finished at 5 seconds, and commented to them " I didn't know I should hurry. ".

[Golden Light]

Andrewthesinger

that is just amazing!!! Thank you for sharing that...really.

The woman (I know she was female) I was with looked like the typical "grays" - but her skin was kind of brownish gray. This part sounds even crazier than the part that I "claim" to have seen her in the first place, but she wore a wig (I'm guessing it was a wig) and when I "thought" that's just wrong, you're not supposed to have hair- she thought back - it's to comfort you.

But I didn't "hear" the words, I kind of got chunks of emotion that made me feel how she felt. Like "comfort" when she wanted to indicate that it was for comfort. But the wig was blond and short. She was small and thin. She wore clothes but I can't remember them anymore. I never felt threatened - but I didn't want to disappoint her.

There had been another woman (human) with me as we waited for them. She went seperate from me. I don't know what happened to her and was told not to worry as she was on her own "tour".

She told me I wasn't dreaming when I asked. She also told me that I was being given a reward. They were pleased with me - she was pleased that I was so happy and I think not frightened. I got a "mini" tour of the place where she was.  I saw many many of them as they were in this area that was all white light and very open.  I kept getting the feeling that I was going to see my deceased grandparents - that it was my reward.

It was just an amazing adventure and it didn't end well, but I felt tested. For I was to recognize these photos but I didn't.  I can't believe that they thought the two photos were of my grandparents - so, I'm guessing now that I was to do something and didn't.  It was at that time that they "sent" me back via an injection.  Crazy - it astounds me every time I remember it. But a dream is a dream ... and this darn thing was so very sequential, vivid, and I could feel the warmth in the air and then a change in the temperature when in the hall. There was color and feeling and it was just amazing.

Have you ever seen those beings again?

Golden Light

[AndrewTheSinger]

It's impressive the similarities between our stories. Your experience sounds fantastic, do you remember exactly what you saw in those pictures?

I've skipped this part cause I thought it wasn't important, but after I was done with the tests and they said that I shouldn't be there they wanted to give me an injection, they said were tranquilizers, but I didn't want that.

Haven't seen them since that one of the hospital.

[CFTraveler]

I can't believe I didn't see your thread until now.  After a few years of having  some very frightening experiences, which I interpreted as demonic or alien-abduction type, I decided to fight back.  From this (and I won't get into it now) I had this very amazing experience: I was taken in front of this being that looked similar to what you describe. I went from utter terror to manipulation(from a desire to escape), and as a result I ended up having a conversation with him.  After our conversation, which I don't remember the particulars, but we spoke for a long time, and I ended up feeling good about him (affection even, it's hard to describe), I never felt fear again, and went on to have more positive experiences. This happened about three years ago (and it was a projection, not a dream).  Ever since, I've changed my opinion of him- I see him as a protector of some sort, even a guide.  However recently (about 3-4 days ago) I had a short dream in which I was with other beings, human like me, but they had these 'leathery' patches in their faces.  When I looked at myself in the mirror, I too had one or two 'leathery' patches, which looked like it was peeling off.  It was as if my 'human' look was popping through the 'leathery' exterior, which was coming off.
It seems contradictory in a symbolic way, doesn't it?

[Golden Light]

Andrewthesinger:

Yes, I really only looked at the two I was supposed to look at. I know every other picture was of faces - in color. They were people - dead, I think. When I looked at the two I was to look at, (the details are faded and I kick myself for not drawing them when I woke up but I didn't have the forethought) they were dark complected. From India. The man's hair was black and parted on the side. The woman had long black hair that I can't recall whether it was up or down. They were not "old" looking but I think I remember that they looked to be in their 50's maybe. But I am not Indian. I'm German, English, Scot-Irish and a tiny bit Native American. So, when I saw these dark complected people I knew right away I didn't know them. And again I was expecting photos of my Grandparents. These did not resemble my Grandparents.

Apparently my "injection" was a tranquilizer as such, because it took me away from them - and I awoke in bed. But my injection came after the viewing of these photos. And the lady alien shut me out.  I knew she was going to send me away then. I never thought she'd hurt me, but I wanted to stay and I wanted the reward but knew then, that I wouldn't get it.  I also was deeply embarrassed as if I had failed.  Failed her, maybe?

Golden Light

[Gandalf]

Hi Andrew,

You never know, perhaps these beings/people are inhabitants of another physical world system, such as what Frank has mentioned in the past. He discovered that there are many, many alternate physical worlds, and people can travel between them, either physically or non-physically. What is more, he discovered that there are some of these inhabitants who are quite aware of us here in this world, and they may be interacting in some way.

As for their appearance, I'm not sure if this is some kind of overlay, ie your own perception distorting things or whether they actually do look like that! Maybe they do!

Doug

[AndrewTheSinger]

CFTraveler - Good to hear that other people have seen them! You said the circumstances were frightening and you thought these beings were demonic, did they act in a harassing manner, or was it just their looks that disturbed you? So, you were sort of disguised as one of them, that's very interesting, this could mean that they appear like that just to test us, to know if we can see through, and that inside they are like us. Got me thinking. Thanks for sharing your experience CFTraveler.

Golden Light - I find these things fascinating. In the past I have seen albums of pictures that supposedly belonged to my family, but there were people that I didn't know, and nonexistent images of my childhood, like places and things that I didn't know nor had. Golden Light, by the way you said it they are likely to come back, you might have another chance to understand them better, they are never contented by our failures.

Gandalf - That makes a lot of sense to me, Gandalf, it's amazing how often I get confirmations of that. One of the things that amuse me the most is to simply turn on an astral tv or radio and just watch and listen. It baffles me to be standing there receiving that flow of completely new/alien information from who knows where it is being transmitted. Can't help but wonder how many channels they have.

[Kodemaster]

Hi all!

I'm still working on my mystery, as I've had a dream experience that parallels the ones that you guys are having:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/powerful_dream_where_i_donated_what-t22033.0.html

As far as I can remember, the people in my dream were not aliens, though...but they all have the parallels of the settings of hospitals and the actions of being given some kind of injection...

Andrew: Do you happen to know if they were going to give your injection via central line (catheter) in the neck?

Cheers,

Jen

[Golden Light]

CTFTraveler:


When I looked at myself in the mirror, I too had one or two 'leathery' patches, which looked like it was peeling off.  It was as if my 'human' look was popping through the 'leathery' exterior, which was coming off.
It seems contradictory in a symbolic way, doesn't it?and went on to have more positive experiences.

I wonder if that indicated that either you are just like them underneath it all or maybe they are like you underneath it all? We are the same? Just a guess as it seems very symbollic.  Perhaps a way they tried to communicate something and it was not communicated or understood?

Also, what other experiences can you recall with them? You mentioned you thought it was AP and I have recently thought mine might have been that too as it occurred during the night in bed. It was only after this experience that I had my next dream/ap where I perceived myself as golden light. Am interested in your other experiences as they relate to these beings and you.

Andrewthesinger:

I wish they would come back if for no other reason than to affirm what I felt, saw, dreamt the first time around. It's like this odd experience hanging out there all by itself. I wonder what the photos are about? Did you have any sense as to this purpose?

All:

Been wondering if anyone of you recalls dreams from childhood about animals creeping into your room or coming out from behind doors and then "attacking you". Repeated dreams - like not just one time but many nights in a row or months in a row.

Also, I remembered that while I was having these same dreams of being attached by a black cat creeping out from behind the dark space behind my bedroom door, I also called my Dad to my bedroom at night to tell him a UFO was in our backyard? I was in elementary school.  Now, when he got there - of course there was no UFO. And he got very angry with me. But I wonder first of all, why I would do that? And second of all, the timing with the animal behind the door thing just struck me as odd. As I've read recenlty they can appear as different creatures/beings. I don't have any sense that I saw a UFO then, but I just remembered doing that. I did have a big imagination but I used it mostly with my younger brothers. I can't fathom why I would call my dad in at night to tell  him one landed in our backyard -but then again, kids will be kids???

Ideas/thoughts?

Golden Light

[CFTraveler]

Andrew wrote: 

CFTraveler - Good to hear that other people have seen them! You said the circumstances were frightening and you thought these beings were demonic, did they act in a harassing manner, or was it just their looks that disturbed you? 

The first thing that disturbed me is that I was taken to him, and he seemed to be in a position of authority, but mostly his appearance was intimidating.  I automatically assumed a position of subservience as a survival mechanism, and he exhibited gentleness at that moment.  Then I wasn't intimidated, because I realized that he wanted to communicate with me.

So, you were sort of disguised as one of them

It didn't feel as if I were disguised, although that could be the right interpretation- I like Golden Light's better, that it was a way of knowing that underneath 'we're the same', although the feeling I got was of a 'stage' being completed, and now it's on to the next, whatever that is.

that's very interesting, this could mean that they appear like that just to test us, to know if we can see through, and that inside they are like us. Got me thinking. Thanks for sharing your experience CFTraveler.

Maybe the 'overcoming the fear' is the stage that has passed.  Maybe my lack of fear (after the experience) is what prompted the growth, if it is that.

[Golden Light]

The first thing that disturbed me is that I was taken to him quote by CTFTraveler

Hmmm, that's interesting. Why would one if us exhibit fear and another not? I mean have they harmed you prior to this event? Had you been taken before?  This isn't a judgement upon whether you should have feared them or not it's simply a question in my mind as to what triggered your fear yet mine and Andrew's (if I remember correctly) wasn't triggered. 

And not to say that maybe we shouldn't have been afraid - in fact, I think it's odd that I wasn't. I think your reaction makes more sense and I don't understand mine.

Golden Light

[CFTraveler]

Golden Light wrote:

have they harmed you prior to this event? Had you been taken before?  This isn't a judgement upon whether you should have feared them or not it's simply a question in my mind as to what triggered your fear yet mine and Andrew's (if I remember correctly) wasn't triggered. 

I had been experiencing astral abductions (to call them something) which at first were absolutely terrifying (and lasted for a few years).  They didn't happen all the time, but in 'clusters', and then not 'til the next year.  This went on and I didn't connect it with projection until I listened to a radio show about the subject, and realized I had some in common with the people that were talking about it.  At some point, I came to the forums looking for info and help, and learned to control my projections.  Once I did it my experiences became less dreamlike (without the clickouts) and more graphic.  I learned how to fight them (the experiences, not the beings involved) and then had the dream.  After my dream with the 'ugly' being, I had a series of positive experiences, in which there was a feeling of being understood and heard, and the abductions ended.  This year I have had two experiences, but not forced, not scary, and conducive to exploration and growth.  I still have trouble characterizing them (how much psychology and how much something else), is it a guide? (I think so now) possibly what Hagerthuriel characterizes as a 'guardian demon' transmutation, or something completely different- but fear was there before the actual encounter, and he (the being) dispelled the fear- made me realize that we were partners in my exploration, I don't know if equals, but not something I needed to fear.

[Golden Light]

CFTraveler:

What do you think you have gained from visiting them or from your experiences with them?  Can you say?

Golden Light

[CFTraveler]

The big one is lack of fear.  I also am seeing things in dreams that would have been unavailable to me, such as in a 'click out'. I also have explored things that may be interpreted as 'alternate realities' and I can say that my lucidity has gone up considerably.  I do think that most of this stems from loss of fear.

[Golden Light]

Well, that's a good thing then, isn't it?   

Golden Light

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hey Jen, I've read about your dream and my feeling is that you have gone through some form of healing by removing that substance that you didn't need anymore. I have this impression because you said you were like back in time as a child, and had an urge to do that thing as if it was to cause a relief. Do you remember how you felt after the procedure?

In my experience it seemed that they were going for my left arm, but I didn't let them go on, and tried to mislead them with talking.


Golden Light - It's hard to make a guess on this one, like you said not much was revealed, so I suppose you will have to wait or request a next encounter to be able to answer these questions.

Regarding the childhood nightmares, I had many like that, countless, and the more scared I was the more demons appeared. No matter where I was hiding they always found me, no UFO encounter related though. I remember I had some dreams about UFO's during childhood since I was very interested on the subjet, but never really got to see the people or aliens inside the ships.


Pretty cool, that was a good job CFTraveler.

[Golden Light]

Hey Jen,

Sorry I didn't respond here - I must have breezed by it.    I think Andrew's suggestion about asking yourself how you felt after the procedure is a good one. So many people have very distinct feelings about these events/experiences/dreams that yours might give you a clue. 

Also, I don't recall whether it was on this forum but someone gave me a GREAT piece of advice:  Look at any of those "dreams" as just that first.  Try and decipher their meaning through metaphor and symbolism. So, ask yourself, what the objects in your dream represent to YOU.

If this doesn't proves fruitless then still try and remember your feelings -

Did you feel frightened?
Did you want to do this?
Were you feeling co-erced?
Where you relieved when you woke?
Did you take on some new sense in your life, some new purpose?
Were you in pain?
Were you angry?

Look at it in a dream format first - not saying it was a dream, but sometimes if we "fool" our minds and take the pressure off, we can have better insight. 

Just my two cents - about all it's worth.  I wish you luck and keep us up to date.  Like to hear what you finally conclude or how you work through it.   

Golden Light

[Kodemaster]

Thank you both for your responses.

Ever since the dream, I've had an overwhelming feeling that this is something medical. I believe that some of the symbols are literal and others are more figurative. I've narrowed my interpretation down to a few things, but I do not want to go into any further details than I've already posted -- at least not for now -- as it's kinda personal and I don't want the information on a public site. If anyone would like to PM me, I'd be more than happy to share my thoughts on this.

Some other details:

• I was on like a two-week to one-month high after I had the experience.
• I really pay much more attention to my health since having it, including a chronic skin condition which I had all but given up on. Now I do all kinds of research on my various healh conditions and I even do a little bit of advocacy.
• I'm somewhat less fearful of going to the doctor and dealing with my health conditions.
• Even though I haven't completely solved the mystery, the side-benefits alone are worth it.
• If I can think of anything else, I will post it.

Jen

[Golden Light]

Jen,

I did some 'research' regarding dream symbols. See if any help - or perhaps you've come to a conclusion as to what your experience meant?

Hospital: feeling in need during emotional times, dreamer can BE the hospital and type of illness gives insight about the problems you'll face. A healing place - place to be made better

Needle: Emotional and/or physical pain or a symbol for an awareness that is driven to an extreme.

Throat/neck: the throat is where the words get stuck, some people may be a "pain" in your neck.

Head: represents consciousness, intellect at the expense of your emotions sometimes

operation (procedure): emotional problems and their elimination...what's being done in the operation will tell you what is distrubed and how to remedy it.

passing out/sleeping: avoidance of problems, or need for rest

Mother: the supporter, bad conscience, if the dreamer is the mother then it could represent a lack of pyschological support usually by a partner.

Without knowing Coast to Coast I'm in the dark with this, but it may play a key here too.

If I were going to interpret (guess) - without knowing anything about you and strictly going by this book:

The dream opens with you asking for support, or allowed to do something. You end up in the hospital (a place where people heal) where you have an external source draining something out of your throat (words perhaps?). I could say that either someone wants you to express yourself more and they seem to be draining this out of you. Or that trying to express yourself drains you.

But your focus is on the needle, the pain caused by either feeling unable to get things out of your throat or because you are being forced to do so - Maybe your focus is directed on your intellect - your mind which doesn't allow you to release these words but your subconscious is indicating a need to do so.

Then, you pass out in the midst of it all - perhaps not ready to see what needs to be done or not wanting to know what must be done. Or it could still mean that you are tired of it all.

According to this book and my piecing things together - perhaps in order to heal a part of you, you might need to try and verbalize something in your life. Let your mind take a rest and give yourself a voice.

I have NO idea but to me this is what these images would represent in MY dream. I'm shooting in the dark here so forgive my bad aim!



Golden Light

[violetlight]

hey andrewthesinger and all!

sorry im jumping into this a bit late.  i had an experience with e.t's that sounds similar to "the intelligent and kind beings", but at the time, it didnt occur to me that they may not be human. they were female, and all wearing mini skirts and short, tight tops.  they were absolutely plastered in makeup.  but their faces were like the faces of burn victims- semi-deformed, melting in places.. but you could still make out their features clearly.

and the remarkable thing about these e.t's was how nice they were.  they were so friendly and kind to me.

thanks for sharing everyone! very interesting posts.

[Golden Light]

VioletLight:

Now, I just have to know - what were you doing there and what did your surroundings look like and do you rmemeber anything they or you said?  I'm nosey!  I just gotta know and gotta ask.   

Golden Light