Winning Lottery trough psy powers VS morality

[Kazbadan]

You know, i am starting to get annoyed with stupid morality towards psy powers...lets  suppose that i have the ability to predict the numbers of some toto lottery. Why shouldnt i use that power to get millionaire? Why is that immoral?

Isnt stupid saying "ohh! i will not use my power! its not fair"

bullsh**** its what i say

[Doringo]

I imagine it would be difficult to accurately retrieve the correct sequence of numbers necessary to win the jackpot. So it might be easier for someone to say "No, it's immoral." rather than prove that they aren't quite as good at what they do as they think they are.

[Stookie]

I suppose that in some peoples eyes it would only be immoral if done in greed or lust for power. But if you were to use the money to truly better yourself and others, it's all good. At the same time, it's supposed to be a game of chance, and if you can tip the scale in your direction, that's cheating (immoral).

And if you don't believe in morals, it's OK all around.

I guess there are so many variables it's probably better not to touch it.

[LittleJoe]

In my opinion the question you should ask is "do I think it is immoral?"

Morals are forced on you from all sides, your direct environment, school, sometimes church. I find it important to make your own morals and live by them, take control of your own life. Too many people decide not to do things they enjoy because other people frown upon them, it's a shame.

Ofcourse you should always follow the law, and make sure other people are not bothered by them. And by that I don't mean if people take offence by the you dress yourself for instance!

That's my opinion on it.

LittleJoe

[astralfan]

i dont think it is immoral i once won at a casino because of my esp

[ismusa]

I have lost someone that I'd rather choose an easy way out of this life than a jackpot if I were given the choice.  I just can't see myself happy with even an amount greater than Bill Gates.

The lilfe of this world is just an illusion, life will actually go by faster when your having fun and rich.  Then at the end when you're an old rich person you will not want to leave and wish to live longer so you can enjoy your fun longer.

I believe there is an indescribable bliss beyond this physical illusion.

[Sharpe]

It's sure as hell not an illusion.
This is reality.
Look, people think happiness is a hard thing to get.
It's one of the easiest things you can achieve, but some people just have better things to do then being happy.
Or some people just don't get it.

If you have a high status in our society you will understand that happiness is the greatest thing you can feel.
THAT is an illusion, because it's just OUR feeling, it isn't reality.

[budhabee]

HUH?  Im a little puzzled by that last post.  I don't mean to be DUH!!!  But I thought feelings and emotions were part of what is generally known as reality?  Am I wrong?

[LittleJoe]

I have lost someone that I'd rather choose an easy way out of this life than a jackpot if I were given the choice.  I just can't see myself happy with even an amount greater than Bill Gates.

The lilfe of this world is just an illusion, life will actually go by faster when your having fun and rich.  Then at the end when you're an old rich person you will not want to leave and wish to live longer so you can enjoy your fun longer.

I believe there is an indescribable bliss beyond this physical illusion.

So what I understand from your post, is that having fun in this life is useless, because you are waiting for the afterlife?

Or maybe you meant that money doesn't make you happy, I'm not sure.

Either way I disagree. Let's say you are right, and this life is just an illusion, why not enjoy it? Sure, a lot of people focus way too much, or in most cases 100%, on materialistic matters (which is in my opinion a bad thing), but by focussing 100% on spirituality you are doing exactly the same thing.

As for money, I believe it can make happy up to a certain extend. Ofcourse I value things such as friends and family more then money, but having a good and steady income makes life easier, and it enables you to focus on other things in life.

That's my take on it anyway, if I misinterpreted your post then I'm sorry.

- LittleJoe.

[Sharpe]

HUH?  Im a little puzzled by that last post.  I don't mean to be DUH!!!  But I thought feelings and emotions were part of what is generally known as reality?  Am I wrong?

No they are just chemicals, but how we experience them is reality for us, but it's too subjective, that's why it's an illusion.

[sk8chik]

Sure, a lot of people focus way too much, or in most cases 100%, on materialistic matters (which is in my opinion a bad thing), but by focussing 100% on spirituality you are doing exactly the same thing.

That's something I really agree with Its easy to get so lost in spirituality that you become ungrounded completely from this world that you came to live in. Spirituality is only important to the extent that you integrate it into this world

And back to the forum topic, yes morality is very subjective but objective morality can exist. Reduce the situation: say you're playing a poker game with a couple of people and you use ESP to take all of their money. That's totally immoral. You knew beforehand you would wind up with all of their money. You basically hid the fact that you have an advantage and agreed to a deal that they were unaware of that you would take all of their money. That's the same thing as the lottery situation except in reduced terms.

[Mez]

But then again they allowed it to happen...

[Sharpe]

I don't see why, if ESP existed you shouldn't use it for the lottery.
If you buy a lottery ticket even if you don't use ESP, you will still play to win.
People pray to win the lottery, they do everything they can to win it.
So IF ESP existed, it would become a daytime job for gambling.

[Kazbadan]

Sharpe, you said everythong lol. thats my point!

[Sharpe]

Hey cool someone agrees with me, that's a miracle.
Maybe there is a god?

[Mez]

I think i just found a new job hahah. couldnt hurt to try it right?

[Kazbadan]

I agree with you but even if i didnt, i woudnt "smite" your "karma"...
Why do you have so bad karma in the forums?

Hey cool someone agrees with me, that's a miracle.
Maybe there is a god?

[Sharpe]

People don't like me because the way I argue, is an annoying experience.
Like at this moment I could say that the only reason you said you agreed on what I said in my post was because you wanted to group up and have someone on your side so your status would be higher on these forums.

When I explain this to people they tend to be defencive because they want to stay in a higher status.
If I would explain to them that they are merely following a pattern just like everyone else, this would go against their map of reality.
And the map does everything it can to rescue it's credibility.

So the solution of the map would be to let me lose credibility, and start finding patterns in my behaviour so he knows what I'm doing and bend that reality to the place where it would save their map from getting deleted.

Mostly people don't actually listen to what I'm saying, but they attack my personality.
And say that my personality is wrong so this would get into my map, to find the ideal role-model for finding a sexual partner.

But ofcourse I ignore their opinions because they have a different map.
For instance, my map believes that respecting others isn't neccesarily a good thing, just as much as respecting their opinions.
Unless they are correct.

I'm kind of stupid because I have the unstoppable urge to give my opinions and make others believe my map.

Oh, and I also like talking about myself, you can notice that!


Maybe studying machiavellism would help these 2 problems.

[LittleJoe]

Thinking for yourself is never a bad thing

[sk8chik]

Sharpe, I never saw anyone attack your personality, but if they do that's totally not cool... I think your map is supercool 

[Kazbadan]

Sharpe, when you said: Like at this moment I could say that the only reason you said you agreed on what I said in my post was because you wanted to group up and have someone on your side so your status would be higher on these forums.

thats wrong! i dont care with such bullshi***. I came from times to times to these forums, i dont care with karma, but i saw your karma so low...thhats why i asked about that.

But this is offtopic!

I think i will create a new thread about lottery! lol

[Sharpe]

Sharpe, I never saw anyone attack your personality, but if they do that's totally not cool... I think your map is supercool 

Thank you !

[Awakened_Mind]

Maybe there is a god?

I never thought I'd see the day...

-AM

[greggkroodsma]

You know, i am starting to get annoyed with stupid morality towards psy powers...lets  suppose that i have the ability to predict the numbers of some toto lottery. Why shouldnt i use that power to get millionaire? Why is that immoral?

Isnt stupid saying "ohh! i will not use my power! its not fair"

bullsh**** its what i say

There is probably an external reason for you to have so much money, don't ya think?  How much consciousness can you buy with it?  If you, by chance, win your Kansas lottery, you win everything else too.  I mean everything else that comes with it.  You want it, you got it.  I mean, who can take it away?  Hold on, you better think about that.  There might be a reason for you winning.  You might be in an area where they are developing all sorts of things and you could spend youself into the biggest debt you could be in.  Just like this big housing boom.  You could become one of these scrupulous developers that was sucked into this loaning boom and find yourself with a lot of property with no takers or renters not paying.  God is in there too now.  He is the upright and exact one.  You use these psychic abilities with His people.  Are you sure that you are upright in your intentions and can you control them is the question to be asked.     Ahhh, money.  It's what makes the world go round.

[Sharpe]

Money equals status, that's how I look at it, greg.