AP/OBE and EVP ???

[Krizzy]

I've posted this subject in another forum, but being it's down now, and I just recently stumbled onto this forum, I'll post my story and questions for you guys. 

Four years ago I had a spontanious OBE. I was collecting laundry in my daughters room at the time and became very tired. SO I just laid on her bed and drifted off. The next thing I know, I felt my leg jerk, and looked down to see a "being" at the end of the bed, touching the leg that jerked, she had on a white gown or robes of some sort, and had long brown hair. The room was really bright, and the being said basically that I would be ok. After that I was in total darkness. Just floating around my house. I found my way to our family room down stairs and new I was in front of my hubby, even though I couldn't see. Everything was really loud. I knew he was playing his PS2, and I can still hear the hand controller he was tapping on. At any rate, i was flipping out because I couldn't see, and didn't know what was going on. I thought I was dead. I was trying to get his attention, by screaming his name, even though I could only think his name, I didn't have a mouth. I said a few other things when I suddenly got thrown back into my physical body.

I put this experience out of my mind for a few years cause it scared the living daylights out of me. About a year ago, I found a group of people online that I had befriended who were interested in the paranormal. They chase ghosts around, trying to make contact with them. I found myself interested in EVP's (Electronic Voice Phenomena). I was in my family room when I caught a few of them. What I caught on the voice recorder, was everything I had said 3 years previous when this happened to me.

So, do you think it's possible to leave residual energy after you AP? there's a 3 year difference from when I had my OBE and when I caught my EVP's.

Has anyone here in this forum had a similar experience?

I am throwing out the links below to the EVP's I caught.

"Christopher" ~ My husband who I was calling for

http://inkedmaiden.fileave.com/christopher.wav

"What happened?" ~ I asked this while "out" , also after you hear it, there's a "puff" sound, that was me exhaling (yeah, Im a smoker  )

http://inkedmaiden.fileave.com/howmanywithmewow.wav

"Terrible" ~ I also said "this is terrible" , but all I have is "terrible"

http://inkedmaiden.fileave.com/terribleedit1x.wav

Also, the noise in the background is a 75 gallon fish tank, I read that water is a great source of natural energy you need to catch EVP's. Some people use "white noise" , like a baby monitor or TV channel that's all static. I don't like that idea, cause what if you can actually pick up frequencies that can be expalined away?? Anyway, help from anyone who can AP/EP would be a big help. I can't do it as of yet.

[TemperMode]

Hey Krizzy,

Remember me? Anyway, I am not sure if it is just me, but the links don't seem to work. I know people on the other forum seemed to be able to access them at some point. Any chance of a PM with the audio files?

Cheers!

Edit: Don't worry about the PM. I got them to work. 

[TemperMode]

A few of questions (sorry I have to ask):

1. The exhalation, that would be while you were holding the microphone, not while OBE. Correct?

2. If it was while you were holding the microphone, why did you have it so close to your mouth/nose? The reason I ask this is that if it were me, and I was attempting to capture EVPs, I would set the microphone down and leave it for a while. Or I would at least hold it away from me and towards the water.

3. Have you tried to capture these sounds again? If the sounds where... uh... absorbed () four years ago, it would seem that they would repeat every now and then.

4. What prompted you to set up the recorder by the fish tank, in the first place? Was it just experimenting with EVP?

5. Was this your first attempt at capturing EVPs in this room? How long into your recordings were these noises caught?

Don't get me wrong, I really want to believe you, but these questions are nagging at me a bit.

I am also relunctant to say this, in case you are telling the truth (and I can't imagine why anyone would make this up), but if you were whispering into a microphone that would be a pretty good explanation for the exhalation being caught immediately after the EVP. Sorry to play the role of the skeptic. 

[Zante]

I shall watch this thread with great interest. 

[Krizzy]

A few of questions (sorry I have to ask):

1. The exhalation, that would be while you were holding the microphone, not while OBE. Correct?

2. If it was while you were holding the microphone, why did you have it so close to your mouth/nose? The reason I ask this is that if it were me, and I was attempting to capture EVPs, I would set the microphone down and leave it for a while. Or I would at least hold it away from me and towards the water.

3. Have you tried to capture these sounds again? If the sounds where... uh... absorbed () four years ago, it would seem that they would repeat every now and then.

4. What prompted you to set up the recorder by the fish tank, in the first place? Was it just experimenting with EVP?

5. Was this your first attempt at capturing EVPs in this room? How long into your recordings were these noises caught?

Don't get me wrong, I really want to believe you, but these questions are nagging at me a bit.

I am also relunctant to say this, in case you are telling the truth (and I can't imagine why anyone would make this up), but if you were whispering into a microphone that would be a pretty good explanation for the exhalation being caught immediately after the EVP. Sorry to play the role of the skeptic. 

1 - Yes, that was me physically holding the recorder 3 years later, after the who OBE experience.

2- I was testing different methods, some times I left it on my table, and sometimes I held it, but I never held it up to my mouth. If I was holding it, I held it away from my body. Digital recorders are sensitive. For example : when I first attempted it, I was down stairs and my dogs were upstairs, one of them must have jumped off the bed, and you could hear the thump they made from the bed to the floor on the recorder, so I had to start over with no one in the house when I tried.

3 - Yes, I have tried a couple of times since, maybe once a month or so. Haven't caught anything else since.

4 - It just really depended where I was in the room, sometimes I sat about 3 - 4 feet from the tank, sometimes I sat across the room maybe 10 - 12 feet from the tank. When I became interested in EVP's, I read that you need an energy source (some people will dispute that), like water, white noise of some type. I decided to use the fish tank because I didnt trust that I might pick up some sorta frequency from the TV. Don't know much bout how that all works, but i still didn't trust it.

5 - These were all done over a week in a half. They were not caught the same day. I do not recall what days I did them on. I can be thick at times, so I didn't put it together for about a month after the fact. My recorders packed away right now (we're moving), so I can't check at what exact time I caught them. It was only a few minutes, if that, into the recording though. The recorder model I have is a Panasonic RRQR120.

Yeah, I know you don't know me, but I am certainly not gonna waste my time comming to a AP forum with me whispering into a recorder. I am not saying it's me. I'm wondering if it COULD be me, and if anyone who AP's has worked with a recorder, maybe even a video camera before? Also, like I asked earlier, if it's possible to leave energy behind? I can't AP/EP. When it happened four years ago, it was spontanious for me. So it is not like I can go and test my theory out. 

I know there is always someone who has to play the skeptic out there, trust me, I thought for years I just had a really bad dream and tried to put it out of my mind, and that people who said they could leave their bodies were full of BS  , but after the recordings, and thinking on it more and more each day, I started coming around to the possibility. I mean honestly, if a true skeptic came to this forum site, they'd be having a field day with most of these posts   

I'm looking for a good explanation (one that's plausible), or maybe some validation from someone else who's actually went out and tried. This was all a big accident. I didn't go out seeking EVP's to prove AP. So there was no control over an experiment. I can't go back out a duplicate it 

[Krizzy]

Hey Krizzy,

Remember me? Anyway, I am not sure if it is just me, but the links don't seem to work. I know people on the other forum seemed to be able to access them at some point. Any chance of a PM with the audio files?

Cheers!

Edit: Don't worry about the PM. I got them to work. 

Yes, I believe I remember you, lol. I was only on the other forum board for a couple of days before it went down , I'm pretty bummed I didn't get a chance to put it in their experiments forum before it crashed, or whatever happened to it. A few people who can AP told me they'd see what they could do with it. I am kinda stoked that experienced AP'ers wanna test the theory. I just came into the forum with a few questions on residual energy ect, and people wanna help me out! I can't AP/EP or any of that stuff (not that I haven't tried). I'm pretty excited to say the least.

[TemperMode]

Thanks Krizzy. I appreciate the answers. Personally, I find you to be quite plausible. But, I am the type of person that has to analyse everything to death. I would also like to reiterate that I cannot think of a motive you would have for faking it. I mean, if you were just looking for attention, you would probably have tried contacting someone who might put you on TV or something.

I must admit that if I had not had a couple of OBEs when I was younger (and very open minded), I would probably not have given very much thought to the phenomena. I tend to be agnostic about everything. I don't believe or disbelieve 100% in anything until it has been proven to my satisfaction, either way.

However, after I wrote those questions I also listened to the other version of the terribleedit file that you also have on there and it actually seemed to put some context to the recordings. I just can't buy that you would be talking about your dogs one second and then faintly whispering into the microphone the next. I mean you could have, but something about the recording just tells me that that is very unlikely.

My opinion on whether this COULD be you or not, is that it seems to be the best explanation. People claim to have seen dead people in the astral realm, and they are the ones normally associated with these recordings. If astral travellers are travelling the same place as the dead, it seems as though their consciousness could be made of the same energy while there.

I am still really excited about the idea of an experiment. I believe there were a couple of people that were going to try this out, from the other forum (and hopefully now this one  ). It is back up now. Hopefully, they can get all of the old posts back, but somehow I doubt that this one is going to be forgotten, anyway. I certainly haven't.

I had actually given it a lot of thought, since your original post. I have come up with a small theory in regards to EVP. I was thinking that it is probably unlikely that these noises are actually produced through sound waves, due to the fact that they don't seem to be heard by the naked ear. It is more likely that it is some form of energy, probably electromagnetic. Now, if I am correct, I believe that the way that microphones work, is that a diaphragm is vibrated, which then transfers those vibrations into electrical impulses, which are then recorded by the device. It would seem plausible then, that if these noises are not sound waves, they would be bypassing the diaphragm and sending the energy directly into the subsequent components.

You may remember on the other post that I suggested that someone try to mess directly with the recording device to see what the effects would be, but then nixed that idea as it might interfere with anything that might be recorded. Well an idea I had after that would be to set up an external microphone (say attached to a computer or other recording device) and the person that is OBE could mess directly with the microphone, therefore not compromising the device itself.

[For everyone else on here who may wish to try this, we also discussed that possibly a combination of analog and digital recorder should be used and that a lot of emotion should be put into what is said, while OBE. In case that has some bearing on the amount of energy that is emitted. Also, as Krizzy mentionned, water may be good for capturing this type of energy and may be good to have around on the off chance that it can also amplify or so that recordings can be attempted later. All of this is guesswork of course, so let us know if you have any other ideas. Krizzy, did I miss anything?]

Anyone on here game to try this?

[Krizzy]

Thanks Krizzy. I appreciate the answers. Personally, I find you to be quite plausible. But, I am the type of person that has to analyse everything to death. I would also like to reiterate that I cannot think of a motive you would have for faking it. I mean, if you were just looking for attention, you would probably have tried contacting someone who might put you on TV or something.

I must admit that if I had not had a couple of OBEs when I was younger (and very open minded), I would probably not have given very much thought to the phenomena. I tend to be agnostic about everything. I don't believe or disbelieve 100% in anything until it has been proven to my satisfaction, either way.

However, after I wrote those questions I also listened to the other version of the terribleedit file that you also have on there and it actually seemed to put some context to the recordings. I just can't buy that you would be talking about your dogs one second and then faintly whispering into the microphone the next. I mean you could have, but something about the recording just tells me that that is very unlikely.

My opinion on whether this COULD be you or not, is that it seems to be the best explanation. People claim to have seen dead people in the astral realm, and they are the ones normally associated with these recordings. If astral travellers are travelling the same place as the dead, it seems as though their consciousness could be made of the same energy while there.

I am still really excited about the idea of an experiment. I believe there were a couple of people that were going to try this out, from the other forum (and hopefully now this one  ). It is back up now. Hopefully, they can get all of the old posts back, but somehow I doubt that this one is going to be forgotten, anyway. I certainly haven't.

I had actually given it a lot of thought, since your original post. I have come up with a small theory in regards to EVP. I was thinking that it is probably unlikely that these noises are actually produced through sound waves, due to the fact that they don't seem to be heard by the naked ear. It is more likely that it is some form of energy, probably electromagnetic. Now, if I am correct, I believe that the way that microphones work, is that a diaphragm is vibrated, which then transfers those vibrations into electrical impulses, which are then recorded by the device. It would seem plausible then, that if these noises are not sound waves, they would be bypassing the diaphragm and sending the energy directly into the subsequent components.

You may remember on the other post that I suggested that someone try to mess directly with the recording device to see what the effects would be, but then nixed that idea as it might interfere with anything that might be recorded. Well an idea I had after that would be to set up an external microphone (say attached to a computer or other recording device) and the person that is OBE could mess directly with the microphone, therefore not compromising the device itself.

[For everyone else on here who may wish to try this, we also discussed that possibly a combination of analog and digital recorder should be used and that a lot of emotion should be put into what is said, while OBE. In case that has some bearing on the amount of energy that is emitted. Also, as Krizzy mentionned, water may be good for capturing this type of energy and may be good to have around on the off chance that it can also amplify or so that recordings can be attempted later. All of this is guesswork of course, so let us know if you have any other ideas. Krizzy, did I miss anything?]

Anyone on here game to try this?

Thanks alot for all the input, no, you didn't miss anything, lol. Actually, those are probably the best answers offered so far. I remember the whole digital and analog idea too. Which is a really good idea. I have an older digital recorder, not the kind you can download into the computer easily. I had to buy a two male jack/adaptor (whatever they're called) one side went into the mic portion of the recorder, the other end went into the headphone part of the computer modem. (thats what I remember, been along time). Then I had to go to my accessories and open up my sound recorder. The sound recorder only records maybe a minute or two. Sounds like a big pain in the butt if you have an older recorder, it would probably have to be done the same way with analog. I am not sure if they sell analog recorders that are computer download capable??? (they prolly do). Pretty simple to get the hang of if you have older recorders. Here's the site I visited to get the info.

http://www.mcmsys.com/~brammer/faq.htm#transfer

yeah, I am hoping people who can will help me out. I'll either be proven a true nut, or maybe right??

I just went back to the site, and their forum is up. Says they can get back the old posts, but it will take some time to do it.

Many thanks again TM