finally, success!!!

kakkarot · February 18, 2003, 20:58:19

congradulations.[

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~kakkarot

Leviiathan · February 18, 2003, 20:58:24

I'm surprised you forgot to re-enter your body. Robert Bruce gives some sort of a warning (When you get out the first time, re-enter you body). He never really gave much of a reason, but he did say that it would help you incredibly and save you wasted nights of trying.

Nerezza · February 19, 2003, 05:37:58

I'm surprised you forgot to re-enter your body. Robert Bruce gives some sort of a warning (When you get out the first time, re-enter you body). He never really gave much of a reason, but he did say that it would help you incredibly and save you wasted nights of trying.

What he means is that it will be easier for most people to remember the experience. I never had a problem though.

silva · February 19, 2003, 08:07:32

Thanks kakkarot..
Leviathan I have heard him say that too... I actually understand why. There's a few nights I could have sworn i projected.. but i couldnt remember a thing. In dreams when i find myself walking aroudn in my room (i dont consider these astral projections) and in my one successful(remembered obe) I know i meant to look at my bed to see if i see myself.. but for some reason i've never looked. Or at least i dont remember looking..

What i did though was when i woke up the first time after the AP i said to myself "yes i did it!" i meant to write stuff down but like i said was i was too tired to... i need to put a pad and pen right next to my bed.

Another thing for me this projection slipped into a lucid dream I think before i was able to think to go back to my body. I believe i was low on energy plus i got carried away trying to do certain things (i wanted to make myself appear in alaska to visit where i went to college) so i spent too much time trying to do everything i wanted to do. Also its easy to get carried away with the fascination of it all.. at least for me it is.

But if it was during the day and i wasn't very tired i would probably try to go back into my body and write everything down.

Leviiathan · February 19, 2003, 21:46:21

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Originally posted by silva

Thanks kakkarot..
Leviathan I have heard him say that too... I actually understand why. There's a few nights I could have sworn i projected.. but i couldnt remember a thing. In dreams when i find myself walking aroudn in my room (i dont consider these astral projections) and in my one successful(remembered obe) I know i meant to look at my bed to see if i see myself.. but for some reason i've never looked. Or at least i dont remember looking..

What i did though was when i woke up the first time after the AP i said to myself "yes i did it!" i meant to write stuff down but like i said was i was too tired to... i need to put a pad and pen right next to my bed.

Another thing for me this projection slipped into a lucid dream I think before i was able to think to go back to my body. I believe i was low on energy plus i got carried away trying to do certain things (i wanted to make myself appear in alaska to visit where i went to college) so i spent too much time trying to do everything i wanted to do. Also its easy to get carried away with the fascination of it all.. at least for me it is.

But if it was during the day and i wasn't very tired i would probably try to go back into my body and write everything down.

Reminds me of similar experiences I've had:

1) There was one time I "seemed" to have an OoBE. I was laying down on a bed, everything was black. I attempted to fall into a trance and did immediately, effortlessly. I then climbed rope and was out within seconds of beginning it. Here's the kicker: I was observing myself in third person perspective. Ever play those playstation II games (i.e. Kingdom Hearts) where you get to observe a character walk around a screen, either from a certain angle, or with the camera following along with the character its observing? It was like that for me, save that everything was both black, but tinted deep blue at the same time. I rose up into the air then thought "Yes, I'm out!" then flew around like Peter Pan before it ended. That's all I can remember.

This is where I'm stuck. Was it a dream, in which I dreampt of myself having an OoBE? I've done many such things in dreams, where I didn't realize I was dreaming (when I should have been). It's doing the supernatural without even realizing that you are not awake. In such a dream, I could have thought I was awake, and attempted an OoBE, which happened (naturally of course). Or did I actually OoBE? My attempts are never that easy, and I have never had a projection in my life.

It was also the same one time where I was following a habbit of trying to see my aura, and I managed to see something. An energy field bloomed out around my hand. It was quite amazing and spectacular. It was like what I can already see, except that I could see more than just a weak outline. The aura sight was no doubt 100 times stronger than my normal aura sight in real life. I have no idea whether those aura colors were in fact mine, though.

silva · February 20, 2003, 01:45:16

Leviathan.. thats really amazing because Ive had times when i've tried to OBE during a dream too... those are really weird just like you said, cus who knows what they are.?

I really hate that type of thing..
this kinda brings up another topic i wanted to ask people.. have you ever tried the NEW energy thing while you're dreaming..?

Im interesting if you have what you felt.. i always get the same sensation its like an energy bolt and kinda painful.. not sure why i asked that but i thought since you've tried to obe maybe you've tried that too

silva · February 20, 2003, 01:52:51

the third person perspective is really interesting too.. ive also had something like that.. I really dont know if that means anything.. my most common one is during a lucid dream when i made myself go to the water cus i really wnat to explore the water during a projection.

But i knew if i stuck my head under i wouldnt see what i was seeing.. its like i wasn't seeing out of my own eyes.. i wasn't experienceing that way and i was bummed..

i think maybe it might be linked to a lack of energy thing because during this time i didnt have as much control over the dream as i normally have.. ive been noticing some lucid dreams slip in and out of being lucid.. and some are weaak in that i only vaguely realize im dreaming..

i think it might be the same for AP but i dont know

Kodemaster · February 20, 2003, 08:06:38

Congratulations, silva!!!

Kodemaster · February 20, 2003, 08:12:22

quote:
Originally posted by silva

I really hate that type of thing..
this kinda brings up another topic i wanted to ask people.. have you ever tried the NEW energy thing while you're dreaming..?

Interesting you mention this. I just had the first OBE today I've had in a while. I began to lose my vision after smacking my butt on the floor, so I tried focusing and raising energy really quickly at the same time. I regained my vision and went outside, but I think it turned into a lucid dream at that point, as everything looked inaccurate [there was no snow on the ground, the dog was lying down next to driveway, there were kids playing outside and non-existant trees in the neighbour's yard].

Kodemaster · February 20, 2003, 08:22:04

Regarding dreams-vs-lucid dreams-vs-OBE's, I think it all exists on a plane [no pun intended]. They're all connected, but the closer to an OBE you get, the closer you are to reality. The dream is the weakest experience, the lucid dream is in the middle and the OBE is the strongest experience.

You can picture it on a scale-

[dreams]------[lucid dreams]------[OBE'S]

Likewise, the dream is the furthest from reality and the OBE is the closest. As your energy and your spiritual awareness increases, the closer you are drawn to the OBE environment.

In addition, you can have a mix of the three. That is because this scale exists in a multi-dimensional environment. You can try and think of this scale existing in 4D or higher.

These are my observatons...

micron · February 20, 2003, 16:28:45

quote:
Originally posted by Kodemaster

Regarding dreams-vs-lucid dreams-vs-OBE's, I think it all exists on a plane [no pun intended]. They're all connected, but the closer to an OBE you get, the closer you are to reality. The dream is the weakest experience, the lucid dream is in the middle and the OBE is the strongest experience.

You can picture it on a scale-

[dreams]------[lucid dreams]------[OBE'S]

Likewise, the dream is the furthest from reality and the OBE is the closest. As your energy and your spiritual awareness increases, the closer you are drawn to the OBE environment.

In addition, you can have a mix of the three. That is because this scale exists in a multi-dimensional environment. You can try and think of this scale existing in 4D or higher.

These are my observatons...

Kode
I totally agree with you, but, i dont think you can compare the three in terms of "reality," since its such a subjective topic. I think all three are just seperate and depending on how much consciousness or lucidity you are experiencing during any one of the three, then that will determine how "real" they seem. Im sure there are a lot of people who have had vivid lucid dreams which seemed a lot more "real" than not so lucid OBE's, and visa-versa...ok im done [

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naturechick89 · February 22, 2003, 10:58:24

congrats Silva

silva · February 18, 2003, 20:28:37

After months of reading this board.. I finally had a conscious OBE!

I read Astral Dynamics a few months ago and its been the only book i've read on the subject.

For anyone who's really really having problems projecting For me waking up at four in the morning when i had to be up at 7 helped me so much. When i know i need to get up at a certain time I automatically wake up a few hours earlier just cus i stress about not waking up on time.
Well i looked at the clock and saw it was four.. layed down on my back and was getting ready to go to sleep when i got really really intense vibrations. So i started the rope method.. finally when i reailized i was using my "actual hands" i was able to reason and think to myself "i was so tired theres no way im using my real hands ..instead im using my "astral" hands. " when i came to this realization i opened my eyes and looked around. I walked through my bedroom wall just to make sure it wasn't just me awake then I did something kind of weird. I looked under my bed and around the house because I suspected an entity of some kind around me. There was a eel type thing and it attacked me but this might have been something else. Im not going into that here.. anyway i checked the house a little and left through the wall. Things started to get fuzzy when i was in a mall area so i hugged a stump only because i had read of rb doing that to get energy. I also tried to remember to feel my body and to feel the energy raising. (im really impressed with how much i remembered)..

I remember skipping along the street and i remember waking myself up. However i also remember thinking "i need to write this down or ill forget" but i was so tired i just couldnt get myself to get up and write it so really im sure there's something i forgot.

After that though it was less pleasant. I had around 7 lucid nightmares.. i cant explain them since things like nightmares are always so much more scary when you're in them. They lose a lot of that when they are retold.. but it was one after another.. one false awakening.. where i got up and.. realized i was dreaming and the same reaccuring person came at me.

I asked for a sword at this point (i remembered that) and one dropped.. but im positive it was a lucid dream type of creation.. i really dont think it was an astral projection thing at this point. There was no ceremony and i think the sword didnt even work from what i remember.

Anyway i have to admit the next two hours weren't enjoyable with constant really waking/ falling back asleep only to false awaken and have a lucid nightmare. i'd even stand there and say this is just a dream but i really did feel pain. by this time i was drained of all energy so by my fourth lucid episode i was barely able to walk through my wall outside.

I realize this sounds fantastic or weird but ive had lucid dreams on a very regular basis. So its never been anything extraordinary to me.. but it was the first time i knew i was awake and really projected
it was really amazing. However I feel i lost a lot of what i did because of all the subsequent dreams/nightmares.
it was definitely and eventful night.. i think i was successful because of a new job i started which i was worried about waking up late for.. (thus waking up at 4 am).

I really recommend waking yourself up with two alarms. one two hours before you have to be up that you can shut off and one obviously for when you really have to be up.
Robert bruce has stated this is the best time to try and really i have to agree wholeheartedly... im one of those who is too lazy or impatient to really physically relax when trying.. im going to try it again tonight.. its worth the false awakenings after.

good luck!

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