Anyone had REAL verification?

[SkepticBoy]

Ok I think OBE's are all in the mind and its nothing more than delving into ones no mind.

Has ANYONE had any REAL evidence of viewing the so called "realtimeZone" and seeing things they could confirm later? has anyone had there friend write something down in the other room which you could go see and correctly confirm?

Your validations please and pls don't b.s. me. I don't think they'll be many but pls tell if you guys have had any verifications you could only have known during OBE.

[Tayesin]

Hiya Skeptic,
While some people here could provide the anecdotal proof you seek, I have to wonder why you ask for it in the first place?

Is it in order to decide what you will believe about it? Or like other sceptics do you intend to find wrong with it?

I would suggest refraining from having any beliefs at all, and start practicing for yourself in order to gain your own direct experiences.

If you find methods used here difficult, then you could also try out the more simplified methods for Conscious Aware Projection into realms higher than the astral... which you will find described on my website.

Having a healthy balanced scepticism is important to a point, in order not to be taken in with misinformation.. which is rife all across the Internet and New-Age Industry. At the same time, we need to allow for realities beyond our own ability to perceive clearly.

Starting from an expressed position of Scepticism will make it harder for you to experience anything due to a very simple little fact. That fact is; Your own Beliefs about things, about yourself and what exists beyond you will seriously limit what you can experience. In fact, it is the main reason why people are not waking up in massive numbers to higher-awareness... Beliefs have Limitations.

My first teacher way back in 1977 told me to approach practice as if naked, meaning, to have no expectations or beliefs about anything. We do this so we do not create our "other" experiences but rather be the Active Observer and allow it to unfold for us.

Just my nickels worth

[Prophazuh]

I don't know if this counts but...

I've had a few experiences that I was able to validate afterwards. One time when I went OOB,...I somehow ended up in this house and saw my grandmother...I never been in this house before. After the experience, I described to my mother (she has been to my grandmother's house many times) the location of the pantry from my entrance point, different openings, the layout of the room I entered, the rocking chair and its placement, etc. She confirmed that everything I said was correct.

Another time is when I went OOB,... I saw my father sitting on the left and my brother sitting on the right in mid-air or on the floor (it was really on the couch but for some reason, I didn't see it) watching T.V. I was standing in front of them but apparently they didn't see me because they continued to watch T.V. as if I wasn't there. I wanted to see what would happen if I passed my hands through them, so I did. I don't remember whether I saw a reaction or not. Later, I told them what I saw and did. They confirmed that what I saw did take place...When I said the part about passing my hand through them, my brother had a shocked expression on his face. He said that he was telling his father how he felt 'static' in his chest at around the time my hand went through him. I asked if he had ever felt that before and he said that it was the first time.

[IceCold_K82]

Hiya Skeptic,
While some people here could provide the anecdotal proof you seek, I have to wonder why you ask for it in the first place?

Is it in order to decide what you will believe about it? Or like other sceptics do you intend to find wrong with it?

I would suggest refraining from having any beliefs at all, and start practicing for yourself in order to gain your own direct experiences.

If you find methods used here difficult, then you could also try out the more simplified methods for Conscious Aware Projection into realms higher than the astral... which you will find described on my website.

Having a healthy balanced scepticism is important to a point, in order not to be taken in with misinformation.. which is rife all across the Internet and New-Age Industry. At the same time, we need to allow for realities beyond our own ability to perceive clearly.

Starting from an expressed position of Scepticism will make it harder for you to experience anything due to a very simple little fact. That fact is; Your own Beliefs about things, about yourself and what exists beyond you will seriously limit what you can experience. In fact, it is the main reason why people are not waking up in massive numbers to higher-awareness... Beliefs have Limitations.

My first teacher way back in 1977 told me to approach practice as if naked, meaning, to have no expectations or beliefs about anything. We do this so we do not create our "other" experiences but rather be the Active Observer and allow it to unfold for us.

Just my nickels worth

This is another reason why there are so many skeptics.  He asked a question and you dont answer it.  You tell him to find out for himself and the reason he hasnt has an OBE is bc of his skepticism.  If you just give him an example it would have been better.  Many doubting thomas's dont want to hear what they are doing wrong, they want to hear and mainly see the truth.

Now Skeptic, I myself have only been trying for about a week (I havent had an OBE yet), so I am not prof.  But if anything doing the excersises help you relax, focus, and frankly have more vivid dreams.  Last night was the first night this week I didnt try to project and I did not dream at all, or I dont remember them.  I have remembered all of my dreams this week but last night.  So if you try and dont project, at least you can learn to relax and focus a little better

[David Warner]

Ok I think OBE's are all in the mind and its nothing more than delving into ones no mind.

Has ANYONE had any REAL evidence of viewing the so called "realtimeZone" and seeing things they could confirm later? has anyone had there friend write something down in the other room which you could go see and correctly confirm?

SkepticBoy,

It is good that you are challenging this and I expect you to go on doing so. However, to *truely* know if it is all B.S. or not, you have to apply the energy to prove otherwise for yourself. Simply having a lucid dream, wide awake OBE a couple of times does not do justice. Experience the OBE 2,000 plus,research, work, educate yourself and investigate. You will arrive to your own conclusions.

I am not one to boast, but I have been in this since 1987 and punched the clock and have had validations physical correations. Captured on video, documented, statistica tracking and so fourth. I can preach to the choir about validations but at the end of the day, it all comes down to you.

You are welcome'd to my web site: www.invisiblelight.us for your review.

I will also be doing another radio show in December which will discuss validations, differences between dreams and obe's. Look at the News section for upcoming events. You are also welcome'd to download the past radio shows too for listening.

Thank You,

Tvos

[Greytraveller]

SkepticBoy

I have 2 conflicting thoughts about your post and its attendant question of validation.

First. I have read many posts like yours seeking validation of OBEs. Some of those other posts Have been answered to satisfaction IMHO. That means that some people, during an OBE, DO witness physical world events and have been able to validate that those events DID happen while they were out of body. Not to make Too big a deal about this (especially because I cannot remember any particular post) but if you are still interested then it should be possible to find some information by doing a SEARCH on AstralPulse using the keywords "validation" and "OBE". Or go to The Voice Of Silence website www.invisiblelight.us and read some of his OBEs (TVOS has a very good websight, you will have to register there first.)

Second. I totally understand the need by a newcomer to seek testimonials of validation of OBEs. Many people attempt to explain away the validity of OBEs by claiming that the conscious mind attains external information by using remote viewing (RV) or ESP or another psychic power. In other words some people claim that the consciousness does Not leave the body during an OBE and obtains information via another method.

This issue is confusing because (in my opinion) the consciousness can and does leave the physical body (in an OBE) AND can also obtain information without leaving the body via RV, clairvoyance, telepathy and other psychic powers.

So the only sound advice that I offer to you is to continue your search for knowledge in an open-minded way. OBEs DO exist!! You CAN experience one! And personal proof will ultimately decide this issue for you. Asking questions is perfectly legitimate. Just don't get jaded if noone can provide the proof that you need in an internet forum.

Grey

[Th13rteen]

Hiya Skeptic,
While some people here could provide the anecdotal proof you seek, I have to wonder why you ask for it in the first place?

Is it in order to decide what you will believe about it? Or like other sceptics do you intend to find wrong with it?

I would suggest refraining from having any beliefs at all, and start practicing for yourself in order to gain your own direct experiences.

If you find methods used here difficult, then you could also try out the more simplified methods for Conscious Aware Projection into realms higher than the astral... which you will find described on my website.

Having a healthy balanced scepticism is important to a point, in order not to be taken in with misinformation.. which is rife all across the Internet and New-Age Industry. At the same time, we need to allow for realities beyond our own ability to perceive clearly.

Starting from an expressed position of Scepticism will make it harder for you to experience anything due to a very simple little fact. That fact is; Your own Beliefs about things, about yourself and what exists beyond you will seriously limit what you can experience. In fact, it is the main reason why people are not waking up in massive numbers to higher-awareness... Beliefs have Limitations.

My first teacher way back in 1977 told me to approach practice as if naked, meaning, to have no expectations or beliefs about anything. We do this so we do not create our "other" experiences but rather be the Active Observer and allow it to unfold for us.

Just my nickels worth

You know Tayesin, I could not agree with you more on this. What you just said is almost verbatim in what I was going to reply with. However, with that said...

I try to keep an open mind and all and be open to ALL opinions and respect everyones opinions but I have to say (please keep in mind this is MY opinion!) I am so sick and tired of skeptics and conspiracy theorists coming to the boards that I sign up with and start asking questions for validation. I mean what the hell is wrong with these people? Dont they realize that it is utterly POINTLESS asking SOMEONE ELSE for VALIDATION?! I mean come on, if you REALLY want to know the truth then you must SEEK OUT THE ANSWER YOURSELF! Because it really doesnt matter what we say here, we could tell you till we are blue in the face "yes OOBES are real, yes we have had OOBES, etc etc etc blah blah blah" but the bottom line is this, not a single damn thing we can say is going to MAKE you BELIEVE us. YOU and YOU alone are the only person in the world that can change your beliefs. You pre-empted the argument by saying "...and dont BS me..". You show us that you "expect" for us to BS you. If you cant even get over your own doubt how the hell do you think we are going to convince you otherwise? I sincerely hope you are not a troll or a troublemaker because but the way you worded your OP and the fact that you only have made 1 post seems to speak otherwise. I was once a member of another board and someone came on there, just as you have and pretty much challenged everyone's beliefs on there. When people tried to have their say the troublemaker shot them down and spoke down to them like they were kids and was telling them they were suffering from temporary insanity (I can provide the links if you want proof of this) and the way they wrote and composed their posts is very similar to yours. I am thinking I may just have to say to hell with using forums because I am getting tired of people come to places of my choosing to find like minded people and come and try to challenge my beliefs and say that I am wrong or insane. Once again, if you want evidence of OOBE's - do like I did and read some books, read some forums, and practice having one yourself. Just try to keep an open mind please and stop thinking everyone is going to "BS" you..

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[Th13rteen]

This is another reason why there are so many skeptics.  He asked a question and you dont answer it.  You tell him to find out for himself and the reason he hasnt has an OBE is bc of his skepticism.  If you just give him an example it would have been better.  Many doubting thomas's dont want to hear what they are doing wrong, they want to hear and mainly see the truth.

Now Skeptic, I myself have only been trying for about a week (I havent had an OBE yet), so I am not prof.  But if anything doing the excersises help you relax, focus, and frankly have more vivid dreams.  Last night was the first night this week I didnt try to project and I did not dream at all, or I dont remember them.  I have remembered all of my dreams this week but last night.  So if you try and dont project, at least you can learn to relax and focus a little better

Maybe we are getting tired of all of these skeptics who (presumably)  - instead of getting off of their butts and trying to find their own answers they come to boards for us to tell them and if its something they dont want to hear or something they reject then its all a bunch of hullabaloo and mumbo jumbo so we "MUST BE MAKING IT ALL UP!" or we are "crazy". If these so called skeptics would try to find their own answers instead of telling other people they are full of it maybe the world as a whole would be a better place. I mean, how bored are you to come onto a metaphysical board and say "hey, I am SKEPTICboy, show me proof or validation and convince me otherwise.." I mean come on. 

Sorry if I sound a little abrasive but when people start challenging my beliefs by saying "well prove it to me" I get a little defensive.

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[IceCold_K82]

Oh I completely understand about getting tired of skeptics.  Once I OB/project I couldnt imagine a way to explain or prove to someone that it was real without having them experience on themselves.  But I will tell them as much as possible so they can believe what they would like. 

If people call me crazy or stupid, OK your opinion.  It might not be that easy for me later on though after hearing it everyday, but I mostly dont care what people think of me.

[Remco74]

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[DraregElder]

In 1971, while recovering from gunshot wounds, I had a second surgery to repair my right lung that left me "out" for 16 hrs. While unconscious I heard and saw several  things that were going on at the hospital. The most telling of which, was a discussion/argument between two of the surgeons as to which of them would stay with me until mourning. This little talk of theirs, that was later confirmed by them, was going on down the hall in a separate room from the ICU that I was in.

This was not a classic NDE with the light, tunnel, dead loved ones etc, nor was it my first OOB experience, but it was the confirmation that I need to "believe". Since then (38 years) there have been several, but none better.

Sorry to have waited until now to reply, but I only get by here maybe once a week. This is MY FIRST POST/REPLY EVER! It is THAT important to me to set the record straight.

[DH]

There was a thread last year that covered this ground.  The "validation thread".

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html

[DaveManCan]

He asked a legitimate question. I am not sure why someone doesn't answer him directly like "yes or no"?

[catmeow]

SkepticBoy asked a fair question.  The validation thread has some interesting stuff in, but NDEs provide the best evidence. For some reason NDEs bring in more accurate RTZ validations. All this stuff is anecdotal though (which is why members of this board keep saying "try it yourself") but there is a new "scientific" multi-centre hospital study which is taking this subject seriously:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/scientists_prove_life_after_death-t28496.0.html

I shall also be getting a copy of the following PhD thesis from my local library when I get a chance. This PhD was the pre-cursor to the above clinical study.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Near-death-Experiences-Hospitalized-Intensive-Patients/dp/077345103X/ref=sr_1_1

I could personally list my own validations, but would take a bit of time.... and I need to get to bed... I have provided some in the validation thread.  The problem with OBE is that it does tend to be clouded by fantasy elements which makes validations a bit harder. But there are many excellent validations out there....