Who created the Astral Planes

[interception]

I don't believe it is futile at all to try to understand these things. In fact, it is humanities blind ignorance that is the reason we are so disconnected from nature and what is really happening to the earth right now. It is the reason why humanity is busy ruining the tiny film of a biosphere on earth.

Living one day at a time is for animals. Humans are supposed to be a step up from animals.

Then again, the evidence seem not to be in favor of that last statement...

[kurtykurt42]

Sometimes "No one knows" is a good enough answer. We are small.

I just think it's strange that for thousands of years people have believed in god, believed in heaven, the bible, Jesus, etc. Never questioning weather it's true or not. And now we finally have the tools to find out for ourselves what the truth is and nobody seems to care. What are ufos? Do aliens exist? What happens when we die? Does the government have a secret agenda? Did we evolve from monkeys? Are OBEs, Psychics, Astral Projection, Remote viewing real? 

These are the type of questions i set out to find the answers to. I relentlessly read every article, book, interview, declassified government document, forum post. Absolutely everything i can find out about every question that has remained unanswered since we came to this planet.

I have never settled for "no one knows" and i never will. We are trained to believe we are small and insignificant by those who want this knowledge to remain secret. One day we will realize we aren't as small as we think.

[loppoppy]

I have never settled for "no one knows" and i never will. We are trained to believe we are small and insignificant by those who want this knowledge to remain secret. One day we will realize we aren't as small as we think.

bravo! We are plenty capable of uncovering all this knowledge ourselves! A little bit more self belief and resolve like kurykurt, please people

[Panthau]

People had this tools since the beginning of mankind, more or less.
Its the fear that hinders us, its the evolution of the whole mankind,
not from one individual.

There are a lot of reports about what we are and why we are here
(i like this one: http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/near-death-cancer-healing.html),
people just dont accept this as a reality because theres no "proof" and
it frightens them. So all you can do is proof it to yourself atm, and maybe
spread the word in your jurisdiction (if you want people to think youre crazy ),
but the whole mankind evolution is something different imho.

[kurtykurt42]

People had this tools since the beginning of mankind, more or less. Its the fear that hinders us, its the evolution of the whole mankind, not from one individual.

People have had the ability to astral project since the beginning of mankind but hardly anyone knew how. And most of the people that had the ability weren't certain what was going on. By no means would i consider that proof alone to the questions i am asking. The only tools that could answer these questions for sure are computers and the internet and i'll tell you why.

Thoughout history the majority of people lived in small villages. Confined to there villages they didn't know what went on outside where they lived. They believed in the gods that those before them believed in and those before them. They were curious to know what might happen to them when they die and if they would go to the afterlife? Would there deeds on this planet go unpunished or would they pay a price?

People lived with this fear for 10,000 years, never knowing for certain the answers to life's most important questions. It wouldn't be until the 21st century, the information/technology age, that people would finally be able to answer these questions. With the advent of computers and the internet people were given the technology to communicate worldwide with everyone. A person with a strange experience in the past would have no one else to tell but the members of his village. Now they can tell everyone in the world and finally realize that it's not so strange.

There are a lot of reports about what we are and why we are here
(i like this one: http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/near-death-cancer-healing.html),
people just dont accept this as a reality because theres no "proof" and
it frightens them. So all you can do is proof it to yourself atm, and maybe
spread the word in your jurisdiction (if you want people to think youre crazy ),
but the whole mankind evolution is something different imho.

What you call reports i call evidence. In a court of law any eye witness testimony or government document is proof enough to convict someone to life in prison. The proof is everywhere, all around us. And those who can't see it either don't want to or are blind.

[loppoppy]

What you call reports i call evidence. In a court of law any eye witness testimony or government document is proof enough to convict someone to life in prison. The proof is everywhere, all around us. And those who can't see it either don't want to or are blind.

Although interestingly enough, there have been a lot of research and "reports" by psychologists into eye witness testimony and results have found them to often be unreliable either due to the nature of questioning, the situation itself or the part that witness played in the situation. Yet this "proof" has still convicted later discovered innocent people to long and arduous prison sentences.
This brings up the point, what may be seen or considered as proof can still in truth not be proof at all. Undeniable proof is found to be rare when ordinairy proof is put under scrutiny.
What if someone wants to see the proof that you can see, but can not because of the proof they can see. They might consider you the blind or unwilling one.

You can look all over the internet at everyones experiences and all the reports you want, but everything that you read, hear and see from everyone else is a manifestation based on their individual perceptions and interpretations. That is why there are so many different ideas and different "proof" out there. The only proof you can truly rely on is your own. Mankind has ALWAYS posessed the means to uncover the truth and find their own proof. If anything, modern technology and resources distort our original gift.


If you want answers, they're closer than you think. They're within, where they always have been.

[dbmathis]

I think that the astral planes were created by some guy living in a trailer in Alabama. My point is, everyone has their own idea's about what created "this" but nobody really knows.

Let's say for example I die as I am typing and I end up in front of this being that seems to be all powerful and this being tells me all of the secrets of the universe and creation. What happens next? I will start thinking about what created "this" again. I am not going to listen to them any more than I do anyone else that tells me that they definitively know what created everything.

Be cautious of people who say that know things for sure and welcome those that share their opinions. 

[Xanth]

Ok ok ok!
I'll just come out and admit it...

*I* created the Astral Planes.
THERE, I said it.  *hides* 

[loppoppy]

About time you owned up to it!
You should give lessons on how to reach your creation =P

[kurtykurt42]

You can look all over the internet at everyones experiences and all the reports you want, but everything that you read, hear and see from everyone else is a manifestation based on their individual perceptions and interpretations. That is why there are so many different ideas and different "proof" out there. The only proof you can truly rely on is your own. Mankind has ALWAYS posessed the means to uncover the truth and find their own proof. If anything, modern technology and resources distort our original gift.

I rely on technology to help me understand if my experiences are the truth. You really need to become your own personal investigator to be able to sift through all of the information. You will then find commanalties in various peoples "manifestations based on their individual perceptions and interpretations" and begin to put the evidence together like a puzzle.

Astral projection is a tool to find the truth.

But you should never limit your tool box to just one tool.

[Xanth]

About time you owned up to it!
You should give lessons on how to reach your creation =P

I made them in my basement... MacGyver helped too!
We used some string, some toothpaste and a paperclip!