Scientists agree that something big will happen in 2012!

[Stillwater]

Bob Dean talked about the looking glass devices and said they were placed in capsules from humans 43,000 years in the future. They are the size of a football he said, not a football field.

Unless I misunderstand something fundamental about what Wilcock was saying here, he states that the device used in project looking glass was this leviathon aparatus, with massive rotating rings, and he showed a human scale figure beside it, who might have been 1/30th as tall as the device at best. His direct quote: "It is built in underground bases, it is Collosal in size."

Now unless I have made some error, and what you have said is true, one of these two, Dean and Wilcock, must then be either lying or confused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIzzBkxgL14&feature=PlayList&p=45D076DB88A007B6&index=4 (about 6:30 onward)

I guess i don't understand why these people would all be lying. What do they have to gain?

You have to remember that the rules of logic don't apply like that in this situation- any number of things could be true-

1)they could be lying
2)they could be telling the truth
3)they could be telling what appears to them to be the truth, but is actually a delusion
4)they could be severely deluded in everything they think at all

I can confidently say that I have encountered many such people making extraordinary claims, and I must admit that I could see no motive for them to be deceptive, and they even appeared credible to me, but nonetheless, they were later proven to be lying or painfully mistaken.

I don't understand why you would want to inductively disqualify these sources?

I think you might have mistaken me here- I do not have any desire to prove them wrong. I want instead to steer people away from believing people who make outrageous claims they can't support, that is all. The question is not whether they are right or wrong, again, it is a matter of whether or not they can defend their claims. The world is not a more magical place if stories like this prove true, and it is no less magical if they aren't.

I didn't know he had a website- I will read through it, and give you my thoughts on that later 

[kurtykurt42]

I think you might have mistaken me here- I do not have any desire to prove them wrong. I want instead to steer people away from believing people who make outrageous claims they can't support, that is all. The question is not whether they are right or wrong, again, it is a matter of whether or not they can defend their claims. The world is not a more magical place if stories like this prove true, and it is no less magical if they aren't.

So what about all of the people in this forum who make outrageous claims? I'm pretty sure there is no proof for OBEs and Astral projection and anyone that claims they can do it has no evidence.

[CFTraveler]

So what about all of the people in this forum who make outrageous claims? I'm pretty sure there is no proof for OBEs and Astral projection and anyone that claims they can do it has no evidence.

Forgive for interfering but I see a real basic misunderstanding here.

People in an OBE forum share their experiences and some teach others to do it, because it enriches their life for some reason, and if others want to learn the information is available.  It's why I do it- because it has enriched my life.  I don't come into a forum to impress anyone (in fact, I don't discuss it unless it's personal friends I can trust) with my stories.  Now, I don't care if anyone believes it's possible or not- for all I care they can believe it's a delusion (heck, sometimes I believe it is, but it's fun and nontoxic, so why not) or just a mind game.  So the reason most of us post here is to help those who want to learn, to make the process easier, so they can enjoy it too.  Then, if and when it works for them, maybe they'll share their discoveries.

Now, the 2012 conspiracy thing is  wholly different.
You have  a group of people, who have an eschatological belief.  In other words, a belief about the 'end times'.  This belief (that the end is coming near) is based in fear.  It enriches no one, and it helps no one to make their lives better.  Why do I say this?  Because most of the people who believe in 'doomsday' theories also believe in conspiracy theory- that we are powerless, that we have nothing to say about what is going to happen.
If you look behind conspiracy theory, all varieties consist of the idea that 'those' who are in power are either
-part of a larger conspiracy to achieve total power.  In control of all media, sometimes including theirs, and no matter what happens in the news, good or bad, is being manipulated by someone that has this power.
Or,
-Part of some sort of 'alien' (extraplanetary, extradimensional, or some other variation) conspiracy to either keep us slaves or regain our slavery (depending on which conspiracy you're looking at).  Now the thing is, no matter what conspiracy you are attracted to, both are basically the same in that:
'They' are technologically superior to 'us', in the sense that they hold all the cards and control.  You have mind control, invisibility, and possibly paranormal powers.  So if someone else can be in control of your thoughts, what can you do about it?  Nothing.  You are powerless.
Now, if you believe in a prophecy that combines the lack of understanding of an ancient culture, and latch on to prophecies made by someone who is not of that culture, and then establish a cult around that, you have 'believers'; that is, people who will believe what is preached without questioning the source or motivation of those who have embraced it.
What is the motivation?  Simple- there is no motivation.  For some reason, some of these people have attached their belief to these ideas, regardless of whether they are real or not- and like any good theory, there will be some truth in it, and some fantasy.  But it doesn't matter, because once enough people 'believe' in something it becomes it's own reality.
Others of course, stand to gain something from promulgating this type of thing.  Control is a good one.  Some people just love telling others how to think and what to believe, others really think their truth is the truth and it must be believed.  So control is a biggie, both for the manipulators and for the believers.

What you have to ask yourself, is what is the inevitable result of someone telling you that 'life as you know it' is about to end, and there is nothing you can do about it, because it's not in your hands'- what do you think is the natural outcome of this thinking?
And, given the natural outcome of this thinking- possible mass suicide, possible mass homicide (provided they absolutely believe this is inevitable) or some sort of 'mass uprising' against the 'controllers' or their 'puppets'?

I can tell you that if I were a religious fanatic intent on destroying the world to accelerate what I thought was the 'return' of a messiah, this would be one of the lines of thinking I would disseminate around.

[kurtykurt42]

I'm just after the truth.

It doesn't matter to me what conspiracy anyone believes in.

The truth is the only thing that matters to me.

[Stillwater]

So what about all of the people in this forum who make outrageous claims? I'm pretty sure there is no proof for OBEs and Astral projection and anyone that claims they can do it has no evidence.

I feel there are fundamental differences between the material we are a discussing and OBE.

For one, it has been actively researched, and there are reports availible documenting this research. Charles Tart has dedicated the latter part of his life to studying OBE, and has written reports of cases in which he believes individuals he was studying obtained information about the world around them, such as physically inaccessible numbers. Robert Monroe founded a research institute that performed similar tests, and still functions today.

A large number of individuals here post validations that they claim they made to themselves, and although these cannot be accepted on an individual basis for lack of evidence (which doesn't detract or reflect on the people themselves, just the nature of our exchanges on the internet), they do appear to correlate to a large degree.

In short, OBE is a widely known concept that can and has been scientifically tested. It is accepted, at least as a psychological phemonenon, by most if the neurological field.

I as an individual can never hope to encounter a "looking glass" device in my lifetime, and must essentially take other people's word for it that it exists, without ever seeing a photograph, or building plan, or getting to meet and question for myself a person who claimed to have worked there, but I can easily go to my bed, and with a little practice, investigate OBE for myself- that is a supreme difference, for like an elementary physic's concept, ordinary people in their everyday lives can test it on their own terms, and perform their own validations.

I am not saying that there aren't possible means to test the validity of Wilcock's claims, but I have searched fairly hard without encountering them. I did encounter this:

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=241&Itemid=30

FOODS YOU SHOULD NEVER EAT

Most of us know that food itself cannot be considered poisonous.  Very few of us know that pleomorphic bacteria, yeast, and fungus and their toxins, which are characteristically present in stored and fermented food, are using our food chain as a Trojan Horse.

The following list of foods are high in pleomorphic bacteria, yeast, fungus and mold and produce mycotoxins that have been documented to cause specific diseases and very specific organ lesions in both animals and in humans and should never be ingested.

Pig meat including sausage, bacon, salami, and ham are fully fungal colonized and contain the fungi Aspergillus ochraceus which produces the mycotoxin Ochratoxin A, associated with many different documented cancers.

Tobacco contains yeasts and sugars which ferment the tobacco into the form which reaches the human blood and tissues causing disbiosis of the blood and tissues leading to every degenerative disease known including cancer, diabetes, arthritis, etc.

Mushrooms are not a vegetable but rather the fruiting body of a fungus whose major form of existence, the root-like mycelium, is hidden in the soil.  This fruiting body is but the means to disperse the seed-like spores of the fungus throughout the blood and tissues. For example edible mushrooms induce bladder cancer.

Corn and all associated products over 25 different strains of fungus...all disease causing and several cancer causing.

Peanuts & Cashews contain over 27 different strains of fungus...(high levels of cancer causing fungus) Note Jimmy Carter family with high incidence of cancer.

Barley contains the fungi Aspergillus ochraceus which produces the mycotoxin Ochratoxin A associated with many different documented cancers.

Animal meat and poultry including beef, lamb, chicken, and turkey contain the fungi Aspergillus ochraceus which produces the mycotoxin Ochratoxin A associated with many different documented cancers.

Alcohol, including wine and especially beer, contain the fungus Aspergillus ochraceus which produces the mycotoxin Ochratoxin A.

Dairy products including milk, cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, ice-cream, butter, etc. are fully colonized with fungi and contain the fungus Aspergillus ochraceus which produces the mycotoxin Ochratoxin A. These foods are also high in sugar which promotes the production of pleomorphic bacteria, yeast, and fungus.

Eggs are fully colonized with fungus and contaminated with mycotoxins.

STORED GRAINS AND CEREALS ARE FULLY COLONIZED WITH FUNGUS AND CONTAIMINATED WITH MYCOTOXINS.

Stored potatoes are fully colonized with fungus and contaminated with mycotoxins.

Sugar including honey, maple syrup, corn syrup, sucrose, rice syrup, barley malt etc. promote the growth of pleomorphic bacteria, yeast, fungus, and mold and suppress the immune system response up to five hours.

Vinegar or apple cider vinegar acidifies the blood and tissues which promotes the production of bacteria, yeast, fungus, and mold.

Yeast in any form including Brewers Yeast. (Remember that most breads contain yeast.)

Caffeine in any form acidifies the blood and tissues which promotes the production of pleomorphic bacteria, yeast, fungus and mold.

High fructose fruits acidify the blood and tissues and feed the production of pleomorphic bacteria, yeast, fungus, and mold. For example, APPLE JUICE IS CONTAIMINATED WITH THE CARCINOGENIC MYCOTOXIN PATULIN WHICH IS DERIVED FROM THE FUNGUS AND IS ASSOCIATED WITH STOMACH CANCER.

Dried fish contains the Aspergillus fungus and the extracts from the dried fish contain large amounts of aflatoxin.

Devitalized salt changes the negative charge on the blood cells causing them to stack or combine into symplasts which can lead to oxygen deprivation, congestion, poor circulation, stroke, and/or heart attack.

Hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils like margarine, shortenings and vegetable oils are altered fat substances which are known to be detrimental to health because they interfere with normal biochemical processes. These oils have been shown to increase cholesterol, decrease beneficial high-density lipoprotein (HDL) interfere with our liver's detoxification system, and interfere with essential fatty acid function.

So, in essence, one shouldn't eat sweets, meat, eggs, any kind of dairy, pretty much all bread and grain, about half of fruits, staple vegetables like corn and potatoes, etc.

So one should live soley on soy, and a few select vegetables, but definitely not bread, rice or grain.

I think you can legitimately eliminate over 95% of all food eaten on earth in that list.

[radman32]

now i wouldn't mind having a raw, organic, non-gmo, superfood diet ... and all those listed foods to not eat are ok with me ... but unless someone tries a lifestyle like that and publishes it, no one will know how beneficial it is

[Sadd-e Eskandar]

Let the levitation begin.

I think what he's saying is that we will shift our consciousness to the etheric plane (4th density) while others will remain on the physical plane(3rd density). Also, the astral planes (5th density) will be easier to access. There are many similarities between the etheric plane and astral plane. Such as healing, levitating, instant teleportation, and telepathy.

Does that mean - in this context - that we are all going to die but some are going to the astral planes to reside, without having to return to a physical body while the guys who will stay in third density will have to?

Or is the 4th density, still a physical plane and you can take your body with you?


But what about those professional astrologers, you know: the guys who chart birth charts, the predictions of "you are going to live up to 50 years will marry  with guy blabla", and the guys and gals who work, as tarot card dealers?  Does this 2012 thing invalidate everything they say?

[Sadd-e Eskandar]

Does that mean - in this context - that we are all going to die but some are going to the astral planes to reside, without having to return to a physical body while the guys who will stay in third density will have to?

Or is the 4th density, still a physical plane and you can take your body with you?


But what about those professional astrologers, you know: the guys who chart birth charts, the predictions of "you are going to live up to 50 years will marry  with guy blabla", and the guys and gals who work, as tarot card dealers?  Does this 2012 thing invalidate everything they say?

"I'm interested to see what percentage of people will ascend to the 4th density. My guess is 50%, which means about 3.38 billion will remain here and have to face earthquakes, volcanoes, pole shifts, solar flares and whatever else might happen."

My, we'd return to the stone age, wouldn't we? The strong only would survive, no more morals and ethics; most would die. Could that create a stronger, more powerful race or would that spell the end of our species.

I too, see 11:11 everywhere.

Many times I'm doing whatever, I  get the urge to look at the clock: 11:11

Another strange thing is that I was born on the 11th of november..

11/11..

My ex girlfriend was born on the 22th

11+ 11= 22

22 -11 = 11

She's a very spiritually oriented lady.

[zareste]

I think, if a disaster happens in 2012, it will be worth the trouble just to watch the guys who run around shouting "I'm the special 4th density love and light multiverse spirit god oneness who will ascend to my higher self!" get fried by solar rays.

[Oblivion]

I think a lot of people need to stop confusing the 4th density and the other higher densities with the Astral and Etheric planes.
The Astral and the Etheric are a part of the 3rd density where we currently reside, they are levels of this density which we are able to access via our pineal glands.
When we ascend to the 4th density we leave the 3rd density behind and that also means leaving behind the Astral and Etheric planes.

[kurtykurt42]

I think a lot of people need to stop confusing the 4th density and the other higher densities with the Astral and Etheric planes.
The Astral and the Etheric are a part of the 3rd density where we currently reside, they are levels of this density which we are able to access via our pineal glands.
When we ascend to the 4th density we leave the 3rd density behind and that also means leaving behind the Astral and Etheric planes.

I think your the one that's confused. The Etheric Plane is a term introduced by Charles Webster Leadbeater and Annie Besant to represent one of the planes of existence in neo-Theosophical and Rosicrucian cosmology. It represents the fourth[higher] subplane of the physical plane (a hyperplane), the lower three being the states of solid, liquid, and gaseous matter.

There are six major planes existing between the physical earth plane and the "Source". These are not separate areas of existence, but frequencies or states of being interpenetrating each other. The heavier the matter the lower its frequency. Earth and similar planets being the heaviest, with the Source the finest and lightest.

Inside each of these planes there are many dimensions and grid systems as well. Connections between planes are by way of portals of dimensionality. It is through experiencing various planes of expression that the soul is able to obtain information and utilize it and then send it through portals into dimensions.

[Oblivion]

You're the one confused, we have absolutely no way to get into the 4th density because it's too far above us right now until 2012 when evolution takes a massive leap forward and we have the ability to change our physical vibrational frequency, the very matter we are made of and our DNA mutates.
The Astral and Etheric planes are simply places in the 3rd density our consciousness can explore. We never actually leave our bodies it is our consciousness exploring the 3rd density by use of the pineal gland which allows us access to time space, a level of reality where time and space are flipped inside out which allows our consciousness to explore and access anywhere in 3rd density. The greater the access and working condition of the pineal gland the deeper you can explore in time space.

If you've not explored and researched information beyond that of Astral or Etheric travel then you really need start as quickly as possible.
If you really are confusing the Astral/Etheric planes with densities of existence then you're really doing yourself a disservice.

[kurtykurt42]

You're the one confused, we have absolutely no way to get into the 4th density because it's too far above us right now until 2012 when evolution takes a massive leap forward and we have the ability to change our physical vibrational frequency, the very matter we are made of and our DNA mutates.
The Astral and Etheric planes are simply places in the 3rd density our consciousness can explore. We never actually leave our bodies it is our consciousness exploring the 3rd density by use of the pineal gland which allows us access to time space, a level of reality where time and space are flipped inside out which allows our consciousness to explore and access anywhere in 3rd density. The greater the access and working condition of the pineal gland the deeper you can explore in time space.

The pineal gland or third eye is only one chakra of many that allows our consciousness to explore and access all densities, not just the third.

If you've not explored and researched information beyond that of Astral or Etheric travel then you really need start as quickly as possible.

Yes, astral and etheric travel is the only thing i have researched... But as you said I am even confused about that.

If you really are confusing the Astral/Etheric planes with densities of existence then you're really doing yourself a disservice.

It all depends on your sources of information. I might be wrong but this is what i believe the following terms mean:

Density: Density denotes a vibrational frequency and not a location, which the term "dimension" implies. The density structure of this reality is primarily expressed in seven levels, though each level has sub-levels within it. The density scale is a model used to communicate one's perception of orientation in relation to other realities.

Dimension: Dimension refers to one's location in space/time rather then a person's vibrational frequency (density). Webster defines "dimension" as "Magnitude measured in a particular direction, specifically length, breadth, thickness or time." There are an infinite number of dimensions existing with a given density or vibrational frequency.

Frequency: Matter is vibrating energy. Different vibrationary rates denote the properties. Frequency is the rate at which molecules or consciousness vibrate.

As for the various planes, there are hundreds if not thousands of books and articles on those. Understanding all of these concepts is not easy and takes a considerable amount of time and effort. You might want to expand your search beyond 2012 prophecies if you really want to understand how everything is connected.

[Oblivion]

Astral and Etheric travel is just the tip of the iceberg, my research took me well beyond that tiny area long ago. You need to stop thinking in levels and start thinking in awareness. The Astral doesn't have levels, when you sleep the pineal gland switches on, now the problem too many people have is they assume the pineal gland is merely the location of a chakra and they don't understand the pineal gland actually has a physical purpose when it comes to out of body experience. The pineal gland is a machine that evolved over time for a purpose, it's a tool that when accessed can be used to see beyond the body and explore the 3rd density at a greater awareness (go research what a pineal gland is actually made of, it has properties of an actual eyeball and it's got those properties for a reason). In the physical we exist in space time, the pineal gland is a tool that accesses time space (it's a place where time and space turns inside out) and our awareness is no longer bound by the physicality of space.

The pineal gland is like a TV, it switches on during our sleep and if you gain access you can change the channels, you can remote view, you can explore. The pineal gland can see anything within the 3rd density and turns it into information which is processed by the brain.

The 4th density, the density above the 3rd density which we are currently in is a whole different ball game. It's all well and good and very spiritually awakening to be able to use your pineal gland to see the 3rd density in a different perspective but that's nothing compared to when we eventually ascend to higher densities of existence.
The higher densities actually exist at different vibrational levels whereas Astral travel is actually nothing more than travel within the 3rd density being seen from the perspective of the pineal gland. The vibrational changes you experience in Astral travel is actually the change in the level of electromagnetic radiation in the gland.

Fluoridation of the water supply and the introduction of aspartame to the populace has been done in an attempt to shut down the greater workings of the pineal gland. Did you know the pineal gland has the greatest amount of blood running through it than any other organ of the body? The very same rods and cones found within the eyes, can also be found within the composition of the pineal gland. With this similar type of physiology, the pineal gland allows us to visualize or imagine scenarios, fantasies, memories, dreams or any other visual constructs. Have you ever heard the expressions, "in the mind's eye," or "the third eye" or "the sixth sense?" These phrases are all referring directly to the function of the pineal gland.

These rods and cones found within the eyes that are also in the pineal gland are what takes in information and processes it into an out of body experience. The Pineal gland has water in it which when effected with a slight electromagnetic field causes a flip from space time to time space and the rods and cones process the information.

Our current level of existence, these bodies we are in are very limiting. When we advance to the 4th density not only will our vibrational level change but we will also evolve, our DNA will change and our bodies will change and we will gain a greater awareness.
Eventually we will evolve and ascend beyond physicality, we will no longer be trapped within the universe we currently perceive and we will exist as simply consciousness.

[Xanth]

Oblivion...
You're a David Wilcock fan! 
I've listened to just about every interview that guy has given, he's smart... I'll give him that.
But he's also a very scary person.

His theories are... intriguing, to say the least.

[CFTraveler]

I think that someone should retitle this thread

[zareste]

there we go

[Oblivion]

Oblivion...
You're a David Wilcock fan!  
I've listened to just about every interview that guy has given, he's smart... I'll give him that.
But he's also a very scary person.

His theories are... intriguing, to say the least.

He is just one of hundreds of people who's books I've read or who's videos I've watched. What he has to say is just one piece of a much larger puzzle but even people like Wilcock isn't right on everything. It takes a lot of reading and research from many different sources before you can come to an accurate conclusion and that includes actual scientific data and analysis from scientists who have nothing to do with "new age" thinking.

[Xanth]

rofl

... or we can just accept that if something happens then something happens.
If not, I'll see ya'll in 2013. 

[Oblivion]

Well numerous sources including the Mayans of our current time would indicate that the changes began in 2007 and will go on as far as 2016. But then the singularity we are approaching (or the 'wave') is set to hit its epitome in October 2011. A lot of information out there seems to say that the 2012 end date was actually 2011 but was moved to coincide with the Galactic alignment.  

See you in 2012? or see you in 2017?  

There's definitely something going to happen, there's far too much information out there which is too impossible to just shrug off.

Channelled information however? doesn't sit right with me. 

[zareste]

I have one piece of the puzzle: My studies of consciousness lead me to believe star alignments and equinoxes have a significant impact on the way people think, (a lot of people here know that) but they also impact the way the world around you behaves - even inanimate material. The fields given off by celestial bodies contain data, and that data influences everything physical and mental.

So if something significant happened to Earth's fields (as predicted, crossing the galactic equator), the data could change everything, even without a disaster. New minds could have access to the planet, new species could appear, new incarnation systems, things like that.

Or it may just be small changes, I wouldn't know.

[Oblivion]

(as predicted, crossing the galactic equator),

We won't be crossing the equator unfortunately for another few million years, we've already crossed it and are on our way north.

[zareste]

I was thinking of something but the wrong term sprang to mind

[no_leaf_clover]

I don't think the energies we are moving into alignment with are understood by science (yet).

But I can't deny we are moving into something different.  It may be energy that is totally unrelated to space or time.  That is why the 2012 date seems to be pre-ordained, so to speak, by the Mayans, as well as by the dramatically accelerated rate of change in a number of senses as the midnight hour approaches.  When you can view time as a line, or a circle, in which all points in time are simultaneously visible to you,  then I'm sure you would see these peaks of conscious evolution.  It is happening now to an unknown extent;  it happened also during the Renaissance, during the "Enlightenment Age."  It has happened many times in the past and will continue to happen in the future as we will eventually lose consciousness in order to gain it back again.

I can't give you facts, out of a peer-reviewed study, but the obviousness of all of this is demonstrated to me in a number of different (independent) ways, such that I can't deny it even if I didn't want to believe it.  To deny it is to try to kill it with your being.  Why anyone would want to kill such a beautiful thing,  is beyond me.  But it is also why these times are always so challenging,  because the majority of people in our Western societies are NOT going to understand or be very prepared for these things.

Just ask yourself,  are you excited about the future,   or does it concern you?

Does the collapsing economy excite you,  or does it concern you?

Does increasing civil unrest excite you, or worry you?

Does the thought of your city being decimated and desolated excite you,  or scare you?


The people who were left over after the "French Revolution" were the ones that decided "France's" fate, that MADE it a "revolution" as opposed to just a "civil war" or even "massacre," "tragedy," etc., even though it was truly ALL of those things!  Think about it:  ideas really do shape the world you live in.  And things really do change.  Just consider where you are right now, in this country, at this point in time.

Why does something "bad" have to happen now?

Nothing bad is happening at all;  that is my whole point!

[radman32]

exactly man, maybe if people were more used to change, then they'd understand it's good to shed the old, live in the new. When people get ticked off about their horrible fate of no-action, then it will start. Zero-point energy from within.

I don't understand why people say they want to be open with people yet they won't be open to philosophy or politics. I really am eager to put my effort towards a revolution, and i think it pretty much is already happening.

But what do you mean nothing bad is happening now? Of course not YET, but look at all the setups towards it ... and then you'll see why we must act now right? If corruption wishes to fight behind peoples backs, then it's best to find the snitch through numbers and trust.