Meditation is Boring

[kurtykurt42]

Lately I have had trouble practicing energy raising and meditation. Most of the time i will do energy body development for about 15 minutes and then go into trance and try not to think about anything. Voices will pop into my head and I don't know if it's a guide, my subconsious/higher self or something else. That's about the highlight of the experience if I dont AP.

I have astral projected several times but it doesn't look like i will be mastering it anytime soon. Only very few people have the necessary skills it takes to do this in the long run. Just look at this forum for example, there are maybe two or three people who have been posting on here since 2003 and the rest have all left. Not because they have mastered astral projection but because they have given up.

[Panthau]

Yep, but seeing it through another perspective, it makes sense. We´re here to
learn something, to live this life... only very few are here to make such experiences
as human (i think as we advance the number will grow).

So why should we come here and dedicated our life to something which is
normal when we´re dead?

[Gbob]

Well tbh I think training for astral projection is even more boring. That's why I've resorted to mastering LD's so I can hopefully astral project without all the training etc. *lazy*

[Stookie]

Lately I have had trouble practicing energy raising and meditation. Most of the time i will do energy body development for about 15 minutes and then go into trance and try not to think about anything. Voices will pop into my head and I don't know if it's a guide, my subconsious/higher self or something else. That's about the highlight of the experience if I dont AP.

I have astral projected several times but it doesn't look like i will be mastering it anytime soon. Only very few people have the necessary skills it takes to do this in the long run. Just look at this forum for example, there are maybe two or three people who have been posting on here since 2003 and the rest have all left. Not because they have mastered astral projection but because they have given up.

That's not all true. Many people who have left have mastered this beginning stuff (this forum is mostly tips for beginners) and have moved on because this beginning stuff is boring for them. It's the same questions and same problems over and over and over again: "how do you get vibes, my heart is racing, will you get possessed, can someone pull me out" etc. etc. etc. Every newbie has the exact same questions.

There have been a lot of successors here, many who have helped me out. Much of this is boring for me now as well, but I stick around because I want to help more people develop the skills it takes.

My meditation is far from boring. It used to be at times, but it takes practice and discipline to get good at it - I'm 10 years in now. It becomes a lifestyle, not a hobby. Hobbies get boring. Life gets better.

Take martial arts: to be a black belt you have to have years of training and discipline. Only about 5% make it, because it's boring and time consuming and difficult. But those that do LIVE it. And not by books and CD's and lectures, but by disciplined & earnest practice.

[kurtykurt42]

My meditation is far from boring. It used to be at times, but it takes practice and discipline to get good at it - I'm 10 years in now. It becomes a lifestyle, not a hobby. Hobbies get boring. Life gets better.

After 4 years of practecing I am finally realizing this now. The problem is I really don't wan't to dedicate my life to something i will be doing all the time when I'm dead. I have read every post in this forum and learned more than i could have ever imagined. The funny thing is I know more than 99.9% of the average person about this stuff but it doesn't matter. Whenever i talk to my family, people at work or anyone else they look at me like I'm crazy if I talk about this.

Take martial arts: to be a black belt you have to have years of training and discipline. Only about 5% make it, because it's boring and time consuming and difficult. But those that do LIVE it. And not by books and CD's and lectures, but by disciplined & earnest practice.

Martial arts is a sport. I took Taekwondo in high school and progressed to red belt in about a year and a half. Astral projection is MUCH harder than martial arts. I am very physically coordinated and have been playing sports since i could walk. Astral projection is something completely different, some people are gifted and some people aren't.

[Stookie]

The problem is I really don't wan't to dedicate my life to something i will be doing all the time when I'm dead. I have read every post in this forum and learned more than i could have ever imagined. The funny thing is I know more than 99.9% of the average person about this stuff but it doesn't matter. Whenever i talk to my family, people at work or anyone else they look at me like I'm crazy if I talk about this.

Yep, ya gotta do it for yourself or it's not worth it. In my real life, other than 1 distant friend, I'm a loner in this. My family is Christian and I don't talk about it with them. I'm not a new-ager and don't act like one, don't hang crystals or say "love and light".

For me, meditation is also a part of my health. It has become just like eating and exercising. It's important to me, makes me feel good, and is just another part of my daily life. For a lot of people, eating well and getting exercise is an uncomfortable hassle, and meditation is the same. For people like me, we feed off it. And yes, sometimes it is uncomfortable, and that's when you develop discipline by keeping at it, just like a diet, just like exercising.

Anyways, I think that if you approach meditation with a sense of wonder and excitement your bound to get more out of it. If your sitting there and waiting for something to happen and it becomes boring, you're not really meditating. I suppose it depends on a person's inner-drive.

[Principle]

Lately I have had trouble practicing energy raising and meditation. Most of the time i will do energy body development for about 15 minutes and then go into trance and try not to think about anything. Voices will pop into my head and I don't know if it's a guide, my subconsious/higher self or something else. That's about the highlight of the experience if I dont AP.

I have astral projected several times but it doesn't look like i will be mastering it anytime soon. Only very few people have the necessary skills it takes to do this in the long run. Just look at this forum for example, there are maybe two or three people who have been posting on here since 2003 and the rest have all left. Not because they have mastered astral projection but because they have given up.

I disagree, Your notion that many people have left because they have given up is completely false.
I, myself can be considered one of those individuals that were here on a regular basis at one point and now have left but honestly although I am not active on this forum I still visit here on occasion to read posts. This is not because I have given up, or mastered things, but because life as we know it is dynamic, sometimes we lose ourselves in the mundane, repetitive things life requires us to do in order to survive, feed ourselves, or our families.

However, With that said, I am still very much here, and am trying once again to visit as much as I can.
I also have now been setting aside time once again my life for enlightenment, meditation, and etc.

[Alfera]

yes you will be doing this when you die but if you master it you can benefit from it

i heard that nikola tesla was projecting too

he designed over 700 inventions

its been said that he was exploring "unknown lands"

i think he did get some help or somehow he did get inspiration or saw the inventions

but not only him

Otto Loewl :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Loewi

Otto Loewi (June 3, 1873 – December 25, 1961) was a German pharmacologist whose discovery of acetylcholine helped enhance medical therapy. The discovery earned for him the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1936 which he shared with Sir Henry Dale. He has been referred to as the "Father of Neuroscience."

Before Loewi's experiments, it was unclear whether signalling across the synapse was bioelectrical or chemical. Loewi's famous experiment, published in 1921, largely answered this question. According to Loewi, the idea for his key experiment came to him in his sleep.

August Kekule:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_August_Kekul%C3%A9_von_Stradonitz

He said that he had discovered the ring shape of the benzene molecule after having a reverie or day-dream of a snake seizing its own tail (this is a common symbol in many ancient cultures known as the Ouroboros). This vision, he said, came to him after years of studying the nature of carbon-carbon bonds.

Guisseppi Tartini:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Tartini

Tartini's most famous work is the "Devil's Trill Sonata", a solo violin sonata that requires a number of technically demanding double stop trills and is difficult even by modern standards. (One 19th-century myth had it that Tartini had six digits on his left hand, making these trills easier for him to play.) According to a legend embroidered upon by Madame Blavatsky, Tartini was inspired to write the sonata by a dream in which the Devil appeared at the foot of his bed playing the violin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Trill_Sonata

and Samuel Taylor Coleridge's kubla khan :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubla_Khan

Coleridge claimed that the poem was inspired by an opium-induced dream (implicit in the poem's subtitle A Vision in a Dream) but that the composition was interrupted by a person from Porlock.

James Watt :

he found the best way to shape rifle projectiles in his dream

Wolfgang von Goethe:

he claimed that he solved many scientific problems in his dreams

Louis Agassiz:

http://www.worlddreambank.org/A/AGASFISH.HTM

Albert Einstein:

http://www.worlddreambank.org/S/SLEDNEAR.HTM

David Parkinson:

http://www.worlddreambank.org/M/M9.HTM

Charles Nodier,Hilprecht, and more

dont give up or get bored you can benefit from it , just like those people

you cant invent something for this world after you die right?  You can do it now

[kurtykurt42]

If i lived back then i would have tried astral projecting too since there was nothing to do. Now a days we have TV, Movies, Video games, computers, internet, etc.

The technology to help with astral projection won't really come until we are able to precisely measure energetic fields. It wasn't until 1885 that Heinrich Hertz found that data can actually travel in invisible waves through space. At first people thought he was mad for thinking it could be possible. But now we realize that there is an entire spectrum of waves from radio, TV, radar, infrared, light, UV, X-rays, and gamma rays. It won't be long until we are able to measure the waves produced in the 4th dimension (etheric plane). It definitely involves an advanced understanding of Electromagnetics/Physics/Chemistry/nanotechnology/Software Engineering/Electrical Engineering.

[spark]

Hi.  I am a long time OBEr, and I have performed successful remote viewings, and I am now able to see and feel energy (might sound unbelievalbe), AND I completely agree.  Meditation is boring.  I am not really a proponent for the idea that everything takes practice -- i.e., from the perspective of BORING repetitiveness.  But, that does not mean that things should come in a snap.  Rather than thinking in terms of "meditation" maybe you can think in terms of focusing on consciousness and understanding your thoughts and states of mind.  For example, you can do that which is sort of meditating while you drive, or whatever.  Once in a while while you sit at your desk for about 20 seconds.  Or, while you doze off to sleep.  Anyway, I tend to feel that life is not about sitting around humming sounds and sitting in a strange posture.  I think all these things are attainable living an active lifestyle -- as I have.  I think steps are achieved based on physical health and stability and based on realizations (e.g., understanding of the higher self so-to-speak, etc.).  So, dont waste time wasting time.  Get focused on figuring your way through things.  That is what i did.  But, of course, it takes time too.  But, the activity is a little different.  Anyway, just my 2 cents.

[Tiny]

If i lived back then i would have tried astral projecting too since there was nothing to do. Now a days we have TV, Movies, Video games, computers, internet, etc.

The technology to help with astral projection won't really come until we are able to precisely measure energetic fields. It wasn't until 1885 that Heinrich Hertz found that data can actually travel in invisible waves through space. At first people thought he was mad for thinking it could be possible. But now we realize that there is an entire spectrum of waves from radio, TV, radar, infrared, light, UV, X-rays, and gamma rays. It won't be long until we are able to measure the waves produced in the 4th dimension (etheric plane). It definitely involves an advanced understanding of Electromagnetics/Physics/Chemistry/nanotechnology/Software Engineering/Electrical Engineering.

Scientists are not going there and they have not been going there for about 80+ years.

Wilhelm Reich (1897-1957) discovered the etheric energy about in the 30's I believe, he PROVED it, even showing it in an electron microscope that existed at that time and building stuff such as motors that would be fueled by the etheric energy of someone who placed his hand on the pad.

We will never, ever go there, since our leaders and their bunch of mobs conspire against the people, keeping advanced technologies from the public and condeming us to make baby steps, by keeping the people in a state of ignorance.

And if you don't believe it then look it up. There have been countless cases in which people got their 'too-advanced-to-be-public' outright stolen (confiscated) by the FBI, who basically said that it "threatens economic stability".

That said,


you might want to consider that originally, meditation is not an etheric practice, it is a spiritual practice in which spiritually aware people connect to the inner Light and to the deepest, ancient roots of consciousness. It feels much like connecting to the cosmic internet to me, though this is far away from the astral world.
The point is, in the spiritual practice of meditation, one can not experience boredom.

[zareste]

Heh, it's common behavior to steal every new thing and exploit it, neglecting the consequences. Usually the inventor himself will patent it, declare it his property, and make everyone pay to use it. An organization will do the same and declare it their property and use it as a weapon or for profits. That's why these people can only take baby steps.

But if we don't like these people, we can reject them and do things differently

Anyway, meditation bores me too. I like to go into quick trances during periods of arousal and tiredness. Often, I can have a very detailed telepathic exchange in a 5-second trance.

[Xanth]

I go away for a week and the most awesome discussions creep up!  I need to buy a laptop...

I wanna touch upon several of the comments so far...

Boring meditation... you could look at it that way.
I find it a very enlightening experience which just gets better the more I do it.
I've been meditating for well over a decade now.  I try to do it as regular as I can, even if it means only 5 minutes before bed at night... but real life does get in the way from time to time.
I quickly learned exactly what Stookie mentioned... if you meditate with the expectation that something is going to happen, you're going to be waiting an awful long time.  Don't expect... just go where ever it takes you.  When I meditate, I become the river... flowing endlessly, not knowing where it'll take me.

After 4 years of practecing I am finally realizing this now. The problem is I really don't wan't to dedicate my life to something i will be doing all the time when I'm dead. I have read every post in this forum and learned more than i could have ever imagined. The funny thing is I know more than 99.9% of the average person about this stuff but it doesn't matter. Whenever i talk to my family, people at work or anyone else they look at me like I'm crazy if I talk about this.

You really do have to do it for yourself. 
I'd highly suggest taking a little while and backing away from all of this for a bit until you find what YOU want.
It'll always be around. 

Martial arts is a sport. I took Taekwondo in high school and progressed to red belt in about a year and a half. Astral projection is MUCH harder than martial arts. I am very physically coordinated and have been playing sports since i could walk. Astral projection is something completely different, some people are gifted and some people aren't.

Martial Arts... yes, there's a sport aspect to several 'styles' of martial arts, however, there's also a huge spiritual aspect to it.  Your instructor can greatly influence which side you find yourself on.

The style I took up is called Yoshinkan Aikido which has zero sport to it... it was all spiritual.  It really opened my eyes to the spiritual world around us and is what started me down my current path.  I no longer practice the art due to physical limitations (knees started hurting too bad), but I was a 1st kyu (one step from black) at the time.  I might take it up at a later point taking it easier.
But yeah, it's VERY spiritual... body follows mind follows spirit...

If i lived back then i would have tried astral projecting too since there was nothing to do. Now a days we have TV, Movies, Video games, computers, internet, etc.

To be completely honest, a lot of people today wouldn't last a single day "back then".  Life was much harder than you might thing... it was very tough to simply survive.
"Surviving" was on the minds of most people... so when you say that there was "nothing to do", it's really as far from the truth as you can get.
Most of us have it very cushy in comparison these days.

Anyways, just thought I'd touch on those points.
Do what feels right for YOU.  If you need to take a few weeks, months, or even years until you get your bearings... then no pressure. 

[no_leaf_clover]

Meditation is SUPPOSED to be boring.

The more boring it is,  the better you are doing it.

Then you will realize who is now and who is being bored.

[Xanth]

Meditation is SUPPOSED to be boring.

The more boring it is,  the better you are doing it.

Then you will realize who is now and who is being bored.

My meditations have only become more exciting over the years!
I guess it's a very different experience for everyone.  lol

[Stookie]

For myself, the better I've got at meditating, not only is it not boring, it becomes like food. And the meal is great. Things aren't boring for me in another state of consciousness.

I suppose if you can't do it and every time you meditate you're just waiting, yeah, that sounds boring. Learning to do anything that's exciting takes a lot of boring practice.

Meditation should improve your life and get better, even more challenging (in a positive way), over time.

[Panthau]

meditation is the holy grail.

[no_leaf_clover]

My meditations have only become more exciting over the years!
I guess it's a very different experience for everyone.  lol

I don't find it boring to meditate either honestly..

But if someone does find it boring.  Then that is good.  The more boring, the better, literally, you are advancing in your meditation.  When the boredom is completely unbearable,  and your muscles are begging to twitch,  just keep sitting there.  Your mind will break.  It's only your ego that tells you that you are bored, that you "deserve" to be doing something more exciting with your time.  Your ego is wrong, and it is an illusory part of yourself.  So you learn to strip it off when you don't need it.