100% Lucidity in the Ethric Realm

[Psychic19]

I have been trying and trying to Astral Project. I need to be 100% lucid in the OBE state so that I can shape shift my physical body. Does anyone else have trouble having the OBE's? Is there something I else I can try?

I keep hearing people say that you should wake up very early then try to have an OBE. but my mind is so frustrated in the morning. I don't know whats going on.

Please Help

[kurtykurt42]

Shape shift your physical body?

[Yamabushi]

Hehe. Yeah I'm curious yellow also to know how out of body lucidity will enable you to alter its phenotype.

[Psychic19]

I don't know if it will or not but I have to try. If I consciously change my soul body and focus on the change long enough it should change my physical body.

At the very least the OBE should answer my question as to why I look this way.

[mo]

whats wrong with your physical body?

[kurtykurt42]

Maybe i'll try that and transform my body into David Beckham.

[OBEvanCHERNOBIL]

It smells like a biokinesis with different approach to me.

[Psychic19]

Mo my Physical Body isn't good enough for me. Its what I want the most. I need my ideal body. This one causes me too much misery.

I used to ask Adrian all about Biokinesis. After he answered all my questions I still find myself not able to do anything.

[Xanth]

I don't know if it will or not but I have to try. If I consciously change my soul body and focus on the change long enough it should change my physical body.

At the very least the OBE should answer my question as to why I look this way.

No... you can't change your "Physical Body".
However, you can change your astral body to however you wish... just takes focus and concentration.

You might as well start getting comfortable in your own skin now, cause I'm thinking you've got other issues that need to be dealt with before you learn to Project.

[Psychic19]

I am ready to Astral project now. And don't tell me I can't change my physical body. It is possible.

[Gbob]

I am ready to Astral project now. And don't tell me I can't change my physical body. It is possible.

What do you feel is 'wrong' with your physical body? Or is that too personal a question?

[Psan]

Well, this is a classic case of obe for material gain

I guess this should be possible. But it must be extremely difficult, as you don't see people doing it everyday, not even great masters of obe can do that. There is some hope though. I've heard of people healing their body (and bodies of others) during a projection. So if you are not happy with your body, you can try healing while projecting and see what happens. No harm in experimenting.

That will require a good command over projection, to say the least. So how good are you at that ?

I should warn you that once you get to that level of consistently projecting and healing and stuff, you'd lose all interest in superficial physical stuff like bodies and all. You will realize that these are illusory things and not worth bothering.

The catch here is that, to get to such a level you must become so spiritually evolved and pure that you lose all attachment to physical. Once you do that there is really no point in changing bodies or things in this world etc.

[Xanth]

I am ready to Astral project now. And don't tell me I can't change my physical body. It is possible.

What world do you think you're living in right now?
And no, you're not ready.  You're hiding from yourself.

[Psychic19]

Gbob to answer your question I have hair lose for starters and there is someone else I extremely desire to look like instead.

I am 23 and single in the world and not getting any younger. I used to say I am abstinent because I knew I didn't have the confidence to date but the truth is I am unhappy like this.

I am very spiritually advanced but I still can't Astral Project. I've been studying new age for years now. I've tried to be detached and Enlightened but to be honest I do not want my experiences to end yet. I just want to live my life with the body I want to express myself with, there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't need to change myself on the inside at all. I'm not broken. I am a very good person and I'm fine on the inside. However just because I'm beautiful on the inside doesn't mean I am on the outside. I want this and there is no reason why you Law of Attraction people should think I shouldn't have it.

Xanth, how do you feel I am hiding from myself?

[AshJ]

If it is your physical body that you desire to change, then it is within the physical world that you must begin your change. It is rather odd that you think by having an OBE that you can change your physical body. Anyway... Firstly, I must address your self-esteem. From what I've read you have none.. Why? You're a beautiful person regardless of what person you embody in this life, you are spirit... There is no point in lowering yourself in such a manner. Secondly, if it is beauty on the outside that you seek, you must begin with the inside. The outside look of your body is merely an expression of what your inside looks like. I don't know what you look like, nor do I think you are ready for such a great change.. However, look into Raw Veganism / Fruitarianism. I am not here to sway your beliefs, however, if your willing to have an OBE for such a deed then why not try this? But do not use this as another way to hide from yourself, the most important step of change is love for yourself. Goodluck.

Try starting here:
Mangodurian.blogspot.com
fruitgod.com

[interception]

Gbob to answer your question I have hair lose for starters and there is someone else I extremely desire to look like instead.

I am 23 and single in the world and not getting any younger. I used to say I am abstinent because I knew I didn't have the confidence to date but the truth is I am unhappy like this.

I am very spiritually advanced but I still can't Astral Project. I've been studying new age for years now. I've tried to be detached and Enlightened but to be honest I do not want my experiences to end yet. I just want to live my life with the body I want to express myself with, there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't need to change myself on the inside at all. I'm not broken. I am a very good person and I'm fine on the inside. However just because I'm beautiful on the inside doesn't mean I am on the outside. I want this and there is no reason why you Law of Attraction people should think I shouldn't have it.

Xanth, how do you feel I am hiding from myself?

If you were truly spiritually advanced then the looks of your physical body would really not matter to you all that much. Look at most of the yogi's, they look like prunes, yet they cant be happier beings.

I do not think there is anything wrong with changing the way you look, but you must examine the true answer to this question: why? It seems to many peeps here that you have a deep seated issue that needs to be addressed first.

There is always lipo and plastic surgery... but you will find it, like money, probably only induce short term "false" happiness. 

[zareste]

Heh, I see you've upset the 'love and light' folks here, judging by all replies about "we must kill and purify the world of people who want to want to do whatever this is"

Anyway I've done experiments with gene changing, and it's possible. I didn't understand it back when I tried it 8 years ago, but I'm just now learning that your body's chakras are closely tied to your DNA. They create the harmonics that go through your cells and keep the DNA consistent.

I'm not sure if I ever succeeded in gene alteration, because I ducked out of my experiment early. The effect was rather intense. I did it by envisioning my 'new self' and raising my energy level for a long period of time (days on end, although sometimes I forgot for a few hours), and after doing this for long enough, I found my psychic awareness kicking up and my energy was always low - I was in a sort of trance all the time, falling into lapses where I'd see and hear things, although they were fascinating and heavenly things. Somehow I could feel every bodily function I had and involuntarily got control over it - to the point that I had to govern my own heart beat. Everything was shifting and I could feel my abstract 'new self' taking over my mind and body.

It all just got too intense for an experiment. I never thought it would work, especially not like this. The real kicker is that I envisioned my new self after a video game character just to stretch the limits.

Perhaps smaller changes would be easier - I'm not sure. I've always wanted to go back and try it again

[Psychic19]

AshJ I am already a Vegetarian, Been a Vegan before and found the Raw diet to hard for me right now. You don't understand me at all. There isn't anything in the waking consciousness I can do to get what I want. I have been changing on the inside, lots of people do but they still look the same on the outside.

Inter -sigh- I can't believe another person suggested plastic surgery. That is so disgusting its making me feel dizzy. Surgery will NOT give me the results I want.

Zare I am glad you came here. You understand what I want to do yet you don't really want to do Gene Change. I want a genetic change. I want bones, skin, eyes, hair follicles, everything transformed. This body is a projection of consciousness after all.

your body's chakras are closely tied to your DNA. They create the harmonics that go through your cells and keep the DNA consistent.

This is exactly what I am talking about! This is why I need to have an OBE. My awareness is always in this physical body that I don't quite feel comfortable in. I want OUT! At least for a few minutes 100% conscious outside of my body would really give me the brake I've been needing.

So please Zare tell me everything you can about your experiment. I am already practicing energy exercises for healing.

[interception]

Ah yes, it is inevitable that on a forum with such a vast number of unverified fantastical claims, an answer will present itself. People will always believe what they want to believe in the end.

I only regret mentioning plastic surgery, that was a mistake.  

Some here try to get to the issue behind the issue, but it doesn't matter does it? No. You are looking for magic.

So, as they say, whatever man! Go forth and change your "genetics".

I have had enough of this forum...

[zareste]

does that mean you're leaving?

Anyway anyway, I wish I could help with AP but I can't leave my body worth a darn.

The experiment wasn't very complicated. I just kept in mind the 'new self' I wanted, and energized all the fields around my body. My intent was so strong that all the cells seemed to come under my control and, as you can see, I wasn't ready for all that. It took about a week to get to that point - I would energize myself off and on whenever I remembered to. Somehow I've never summoned the willpower to try changing again

[AshJ]

So you'd rather put all that effort into projecting.. only soon to find out that the thing you were searching for is completely fruitless?.. rather than to simply change your diet? What's so difficult about it? Are you afraid of confronting your food addictions that contribute to whatever "problem" your body has? To be honest, I don't think I want to understand you.. It's far too depressing. I sincerely wish you good luck.

[Psychic19]

AshJ I know the Raw Vegan diet is the way to go. I know I am addicted to food. Are you saying that my food addiction is causing hair loss and if I become a 100% raw vegan I will regain the hair I had when I was a kid?

Zare I will complete your experiment. I have the desire. When you say energize what do you mean exactly. I just want to understand what you did differently then I've been doing. I haven't had any results yet.

[zareste]

I had a background in psionics so it's a bit hard to explain. It's like tensing a muscle without actually moving it - you just energize it, and do that all over your body until you feel a sort of buzz (it might be subtle).

It might come naturally if you just concentrate on your fields. Sometimes it feels like ecstasy, and that was one of my problems - getting so many strange feelings all at the same time, like a trip. And you can do it while standing and walking and whatever else

Oh and being vegan can significantly improve your mind and abilities

[Psychic19]

Dear Zare,

I never heard of Psionics. I just looked it up. I always just called it Metaphysics.

Have you heard about "New Energy Ways" or "Quantum Touch". They use something called tactile imaging. You basically feel being touched in your mind instead of visualizing. I have been practicing that. Can you please describe in detail the method you used?

I know A TON about diet and I've wanted to be a Raw Vegan for a few years now. Its Obviously the healthy way to go. The longest I have been Vegan for was 5 months. It was hard for me and I still ate vegan junk food and cooked food. The last time I was planning to go raw I decided to drink juice. I went to the store to get juice and I couldn't find any juice that wasn't pasteurized! AshJ are you a Raw Vegan?

[zareste]

That's really the best I can describe it. It's like explaining how to move a muscle, y'know? Psionics mostly deals with energy manipulation, and I got my start by sending energetic charges to my hands

One way to practice is, put your hands an inch away from each other, palms facing each other, and concentrate on the area between them. Keep that up for 20 seconds or so, and you'll start to feel a force between them. They'll repel or sometimes contract, and you'll feel it in waves. You'll also find you can control this force more and more with time.

While doing this, you'll probably feel a 'buzz' in your hands. That's the sort of feeling I mean. I created that all over my body to control it