Astral projection from a dream

[jan019]

Hi guys,well i have read through so much threads here and i have been trying to astral project for a month now, but nothing. Today i bumped upon a thread about entering AP from a Lucid dream. And i would like to try this technique, but when i think of it i haven't had a dream for a couple of months, or at least i don't remember them in the morning. So my question is if there is some kind of technique to make myself dream at nigh? Thanks in advance.

[Athymari]

I beleive the first thing to AP from lucid dreams is to learn how to have the lucidity before trying to AP from them.

Starting a dream journal of ones you do remember may help. If I wake up remembering a dream i go through it in my head, play it through to remember it before it fades. Read about lucid dreaming, how to control them, anything you can get your hands on. Flood your sub-concious with it.

A good thing to start would be reality checks. You do these while you are awake. The more often you do them the more imprinted into your sub-concious and you will start to find yourself carrying out these checks in your dreams.

Good checks are clocks, lighting and.. yourself! The idea is that in dreams things are rarely consent and you use your imaginative part of your brain, not your logic side.  Clocks rarely say the same time when you look back at them, lights dont always turn on, rooms can alter as you stand in them.

While are you awake look at a clock, note the time then look away/round the room then look back. Note the time hasnt changed and says to yourself (your mind) that you are awake as the clock is the same.

Or, go to a light switch and switch it on (bed side light is a good one) WHen it turns on notice it turns on (say it to yourself) then comment that you are awake as it turned on. (I find myself regularly using this one in dreams) I am not lucid but my sub-concious does it by itsself. When they I start to reach for the light i become aware that I am doing a check and twhen the light doesnt come on, its clicks that I am asleep. Esp since the light I am reaching for broke a few years ago!

Another is to try stretcing your finger.Before you do remember that a dream is not physical, so if you were dreaming you CAN stretch your finger. Trying it while awake, grab the finger aend and pull gently, note it isnt stretching then affirm you are awake.

These are the ones i know about, but I would go for the finger one as with the others you could end up dreaming that you make the check and it DOES turn on, happens to me on odd occasion.

[The_One]

 It's not that you don't dream, it's because you mind has a fantastic way of erasing what you dreamed.
What I do is after going to the toilet early in the morning, as I fall to sleep I concentrate on rocking. Not in the physical sense, but in the way it feels. You will start to notice it get stronger the deeper you go into sleep. It will actually feel like your really rolling back and forth. Eventually you will roll out of bed. This is the easiest way for me to do it, and I always end up in etheric from here.  For me there is no break in consciousness from doing this technique.
If some one tries this can you tell me your opinions.

[Timandra]

Hi Jan019, this e-book helped me a lot with my lucid dreaming.  

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11791351/Lucid-Dreaming-Manual-M-Van-de-Keere

[jan019]

OK thanks for the replies!
Athymari@ That sounds pretty good. I will try doing it hopefully results will come soon  One step i have covered by now and that's the time. I wear a wrist watch so i check the time often hence that shouldn't be a problem. But i have never in my life had control over a dream(a lucid dream), so i hope i will be able to catch myself!

The_One@ Yeah people say it's good trying a while after you wake up in the morning because of the mind waves are somewhere close to the theta state, so it makes sense. Unfortunately it's Sunday tomorrow and that's the last day i can try because then it's school so i will have to wait till the next weekend 

Timandra@ WOW, thanks a bunch! It will take some time to read it, but i think i will find it very useful in my learning.

Thanks guys!

[Athymari]

I have read many ways and other views and tried several. This is what I have found to work for me is is kinda the path I took. I do recommend trying things out but remember that works for others might not be so affective for you. So these are just recommendation of steps, things to look for and to take rather then what to do in those steps

When you do catch yourself dreaming its important (i found) to remain calm Any sudden emotional outburst can wake you up. For me the realisation would often wake me up because of the 'wow I am asleep I did it..' the excitement would more or less always wake me up. However, this is a good thing and the realisation is the first step. To try counter this after doing my awake check I would take a deep breath and try to be calm/think about being calm.
Dont get me wrong, for me I was doing the checks for several weeks before they started to appear in my dreams on the odd occasion and learning to remain calm took a while too.

So after you learn to remain calm and stay asleep THEN you can start to try take charge. I found the best way to to do the basics. Learning to control myself before I messed with my surroundings. (I even taught myself that I could wake up whenever I needed (usually to escape what was going become a nightmare, I can 'sense' them approaching sometimes though I am not strong enough to face them yet )  being in control of my physical eyes while still asleep, I could tell the difference between the ones in my alseep and my real eyes and i could force my real eyes open.

Basics such as, the law of gravity that doesnt exist (I recommend floating before flying ), the fact that you can manipulate your own body (when I want to fly, I grow a pair of angel wings) along with the general ' anything you can imagine can happen'.

[jan019]

Thanks for the info. I hope i will have a dream tonight and more often than i did till this day  . Sometimes i have many dreams in one night and sometimes i don't have dreams for weeks(or i just dont remember them). If i catch my self dreaming i think that the biggest problem will be to keep calm and not wake up, because well the first time in my life i could be in control of a dream! That would be something big and very exciting!! I will post the results tomorrow morning( I live in the Czech republic GMT+1 right now we have 18:50) Maybe i will post some questions even later today.

[Athymari]

I believe/have read the body goes through cycles of sleep.

How deep the sleep is depnds on your type of dream. I always have my nightmare between the hours of 10-midnight which is when i wake up afterwards. After this I know its over and get get some good dreams :p

Best time for lucid dreaming I find is after 4am. Also good for AP after waking, its worth while learning to NOT move after you wake up. As soon as you remember. Keeping going and you will soon remember not to move before before you are even aware you are awake. This can help keep the paralysis on waking and you can use it to attempt an AP or I find if I daydream I can make what I was imagining into my dream when I next fall asleep (though as its into the morning it doesnt last as long as I get woken up by the household).

[jan019]

This sucks i had no dream again!! Is there a way to make myself dream at night?

[Athymari]

It can take a long time to re-learn how to remember dreams. You dream when you reach a certain state.

Brain waves can be catagorised into states.

Beta (14-30 cycles per second) - Normall waking state when you focus externally
Alpha (8-13 cycles per second) - this is the state when we are in a light meditation or daydream state
Theta (4-5 cycles per second) - Deep mediations, sleep, remote viewing/AP state
Delta (less then 4 cycles) - VERY deep sleep, Profound mediation or an actual coma

If you do not dream/remember it you were in Delta state. If you dream, you are in theta. Daydreaming and being 'snapped back' by a sudden noise is Alpha.

[jan019]

When i was younger(i know i am only 14 ,but i mean like 10 years old) i use to have dreams about what i thought about at night before falling asleep. It was like dreaming on demand. I dream't what i wanted to and now it's different. I have dreams very rarely. So i tried thinking about a beautiful island somewhere in the caribic all nigh before falling asleep, unfortunately with no results. This is going to be very hard work! But hey, to get good results you always have to learn/practice first! Practice makes perfect!

[The_One]

 I use to love playing Sonic when I was younger, and my brother forced me to play it through a school night. I remember falling to sleep the next day in a RE class, and was playing it in the dream, it was very accurate to.
Best thing to do is before going to sleep keep saying to your self "I will remember my dreams" over and over, (It works for me). When you wake up, try to recall the dreams straight away and focus on them for about 15 minuets. Do this every day till you start to remember more of them.

[jan019]

xD Sonic. Nice! I used to play Prehistoric 2! That was fun! All the time for many years, now i only surf the net.To the topic :  I will practice. But i still have a question! If i stat remembering my dreams in the morning will i be able to get lucid, and later on AP, or will it be like only remembering them in the morning, but when they will be ''happening'' while asleep i will not know of them, only in the morning when i will think of it? I hope i formed the question well and hope you will understand

[Athymari]

I know what you mean.

Sometimes I do not know I have been asleep until I actually wake up, remember the blackness/break in concious THEN the dream, but this is getting rare. More often then not now my time line goes
- a) awake 
b) break in concious
c) see the dream
d) blackness
e) break in concious
f) wake up
g)remember dream.

Then followed by a series of repeates of b,c,d,c,b as I dont wake up inbetween.

I find that I can be aware that I am dreaming though have no control at all. Its like my body is being controlled by someone else. The blackness of waking happens AFTER I have the dream in my mind.

This is the 'seeing it as it happens'. Think of it as being in bed,awake then suddenley BAM! your on a stage thats in the middle of a play, the non-lucid you plays your role as dicated by the story (dream) .

Taking control of yourself over your subconcious is the first step after becoming aware that you are dreaming.

Then when you able to do this you can break through the dream and escape the confines of the stage (illusion created by your sub-concious and that was controlling you while not lucid) and truely see the astral realm. (Thats the idea anyway, not easy to do, i have been trying to break my dream 'stage' for months)

Your mind wipes memories of the dreams. I think the more you are working to recall them the easier it will get and you are more likey to catch yourself while asleep and in the middle of the dream. The more you work on this i beleive the likely hood (together with reality checks) of actuall being able to take control will grow.


Hope that makes sense

[jan019]

Yep it does! Now i am going to sleep and i am hoping for a dream, i don't mind if lucid or not, for the beginning i would be satisfied with a normal one so wish me luck . Cya

[Athymari]

Good luck!

Also try to keep a sleeping pattern - if you dont already.  Going to bed and getting up at the similar times.

[kurtykurt42]

I'm definitely not good at that! This new technology I have been using allows me to stay awake for 20+ hours with more energy than I ever thought possible. Then when I sleep I can have up to 10 dreams a night! 

[Asi911]

I'm definitely not good at that! This new technology I have been using allows me to stay awake for 20+ hours with more energy than I ever thought possible. Then when I sleep I can have up to 10 dreams a night! 

What new technology? Please, tell us more.
And if you stay awake for 20 hours, how many hours do you sleep afterwards?

[kurtykurt42]

Thought based technology!

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I usually need about 8-10 hours of sleep.

[Asi911]

Thought based technology!

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I usually need about 8-10 hours of sleep.

Holy smokes!    looks like sci-fi movie props.
Please provied a link to the thread discussing this. (i assume there is one, and if not - you should definitely open one)

Too bad i have to go to work every morning and i won't be able to synchronize my life with this kind of sleeping pattern.

[kurtykurt42]

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_energy_body_development/absorbing_energy_from_food-t30546.0.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_energy_body_development/arduino_orgonite-t30642.0.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_energy_body_development/magnetic_vortex_generator-t30606.0.html

[The_One]

Athymari is correct, just try to recall the dream soon as you wake up. Even if its a little bit of a dream, just right it down. You'll start to remember more and more of the dreams, and then should start lucid dreaming. Just be patient.

[jan019]

Well today i had no succeed again, i will have to try today again. And no i had holidays for 2 weeks so i didn't have a specific sleep pattern, but now it is school so yes i will have a good sleeping pattern.

[Athymari]

Thought based technology!

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I usually need about 8-10 hours of sleep.

I have to add.. wow. kinda rememinds me of those dreams Lucid) where I can control a computer by hoovering my hand over the keyboard and just thinkging of what I want to see and it pops up on the screen.

[kurtykurt42]

I wish I had one of those keyboard!