Astral projection from a dream

[jan019]

Hmmm... i am going to bed again am hoping for a drea . It's really boring to not have dreams! Wish me luck. Cya tomorrow 

[Timandra]

Hi Jan, I am sure you are having dreams. There is a technique to get your dreams back when you don't remember them, I used it this morning. I woke up and thought that I may have had a dream but it had totally disappeared. Then I start asking certain questions: Was I outside or was I inside? And immediately the dream re-appeared in my memory.

So what you can do is make a list of questions like:
Was I inside or outside?
Was it light or was it dark?
Was I alone or were there more people?
Was I at home or on a trip?
Was I running or was I sitting?
Think of more questions, remember them and ask them to yourself the moment you wake up. Wait a few seconds after every question while your think about it and then go to the next question. Try not to move while you do this.

Hope this will help, good luck.

[jan019]

Hi, Thanks for the tips i will definitely try to use them if i can't remember thanks a lot. But i had a dream today!!!!!! . I woke up in the morning and i could still lie down for a few minutes and i thought to myself did i have a dream? No   But then after a while it just started showing up in my head!!! I was so happy that i remembered it, and after remembering i had a dream i even remembered that i was a little bit aware of it! You maybe think why i am so happy of just having a dream,but i think i am one step closer to AP so i am really happy. I have training now so i will be back in about 3 hours, and i will write whhat is was about xD. cya

[Athymari]

Hi, Thanks for the tips i will definitely try to use them if i can't remember thanks a lot. But i had a dream today!!!!!! . I woke up in the morning and i could still lie down for a few minutes and i thought to myself did i have a dream? No   But then after a while it just started showing up in my head!!! I was so happy that i remembered it, and after remembering i had a dream i even remembered that i was a little bit aware of it! You maybe think why i am so happy of just having a dream,but i think i am one step closer to AP so i am really happy. I have training now so i will be back in about 3 hours, and i will write whhat is was about xD. cya

Fantasic! I am really please for you!

The journey starts with but a single step.

[jan019]

Hi, today i had another dream . But unfortunately i didn't have time to write it down in the morning so i don't remember all the details. Now i am looking forward to start training for lucid dreams. Anyway here i am copy pasting my journal from yesterday and today. If you want to read some bizarre dreams then here they are .

JOURNAL   3.1.2010

Day 1 : No dream

5.1.2010

Day 2 : Today was a successful night, because after almost a month of
not remembering any dream i remembered one! It was a very strange dream,
like most of them . I appeared at a know city called Zlín, close to the tennis courts where i train.
All of a sudden one of my friend that is in reality only 17 years old was driving a car
next to me, i looked at him and after a while he dissapeared and a i went further.
After a while i was at a parking places where a few cars stood, me and my brother had
keys from some car, but we didn't know witch one they belonged to. So after a while of testing
witch one they belong to we found it out. We opened the car and suddenly a man appeared
and started asking us how we opened the car, and told us that he thinks we are trying to
steal the car. My brother tried to start the car to show him we are not steeling anything that we have the keys.
But the keys didn't fit, the man told us to try a key he took from his pocket. This dream
ended. And immediately another one started. This one was even weirder than the first one.
I appeared in a casino with a very nice red carpet on the floor, some playing machines and casino stuff.
I saw a girl that held a small boy by the hand and kept on running, closing and opening glass doors,
that on she saw. I stared at her for a while and then went further and saw some of my classmates.
They stood at a bar and told me to join them, and so i did. There were two girls and one boy,
suddenly i got very tired and i leaned over the bar. One of the girls held me by the waist
and i felt something like love. It was a very nice feeling, but in reality we are only friends
and actually i don't even like her to much, although in the dream it was very nice .
The dream ended and i woke up.

6.1.2010

Day 3 : Today i had another dream, but only one, unlike yesterday. Unfortunately i don't remember
all of the details like from the day before. I didn't have time to write it down because
i would come late for school. But i remember the main things. I came to a house that was
only half finished. As in not totally built. I knocked on the window, but no body was opening,
after a while a girl with long curly brown hair opened. I entered the house and we started talking
i can't remember what the conversation was about. Then my dad appeared in front of the house
with flowers and dressed in black suite. I had no idea why he was there, he just stood there
all the time. Then me and the girl went to some dancing carnival. Where my brother(he is older than me)
and his girl friend were too. And i took my mobile phone from my pocket and photographed them together
and well that was the end . A very strange dream indeed.

[Athymari]

Although it may have looked like your friend it doesnt mean it was supposed to be her. It could be that your sub concious chose her familar image to represent something.

For example, I sometimes have someone who appears in my dreams. I notice him and I know that he WILL notice me and saunter over with a knowing smile on his face so I know that it wont turn into a nightmare. If I am in a nightmare - he seems to understand that I am dreaming and the danager I am in and my weaknesses (like trying to run and only managing to walk ) and he basically pulls me along.

My sub concious/something is choosing his image even though I havent seen him in over 10 years!

[jan019]

Hi guys, it's me again. Well i have remembered a dream every night since i started to try remembering, so that's now ok. Now my next goal is to get lucid in a dream, i am trying the technique someone here in my thread had told me. I try to tell myself ''i am not in a dream'' and look at the time, but it's rather hard too remember askign yourself this. I always forget and only when thinking about AP i remeber to ask my self . So it will be hard to learn doing it frequently. BTW i wanted to ask what dose RTZ mean? Many people post seomthing about RTZ-projections but i have no idea what it is so if you could tell me it would be nice, thanx

John

[Athymari]

Afraid I cant help you on that one - I dont know

[Timandra]

Many people post seomthing about RTZ-projections but i have no idea what it is so if you could tell me it would be nice, thanx

RTZ is Real Time Zone. You can project into the astral and you can project into the RTZ. 

[jan019]

WoW  . So you mena Real time zone, that you can project and see someone in your house, or just the house is exactly the same and it's like in reality? Thanks

[CFTraveler]

The Real Time Zone (aka the etheric plane) is an energetic perception of the physical world.  You can project into your room, and go through walls.  The walls are there in the physical, but they interact with you energetically.  Sometimes things are 'off', like you may see a door that's out of place, or something that was there last week but isn't now- that is actually normal, a phenomenon of perception (360-degree vision) or time/dislocation.

[Ignazio]

@CFTraveler, My first time astral projecting, I got shot out of my body,I landed right in my room. then my room Seemed different, It seemed bigger than usual, and I had a 360-Degree vision, It felt like my vision was a sphere ball. And I tried to walk/glide but I was trying to look for my feet, but didn't see them, I could have only "feel" them. And the wall particles looked like a million little dots, it's hard to explain.

[CFTraveler]

Sounds like a bona-fide RTZ projection.  Sight in the RTZ is more often not as clear as 'eye-based' sight, since you are perceiving with your energy body- sort of like radar.  So the 'grainy/IR sight/ sometimes dark/dull' sight is more the rule than the exception.
Most of the time, if you get a 'crystal clear' sight, you have wandered off into the astral.  You can test this, the next time you have an RTZ projection, and get this 'pixellated' vision, go through a wall or a window.  Sometimes going through walls, bouncing into mirrors, going through doorways and into vortexes will transport you into the 'astral proper', where the surroundings look less 'true to life' (like rainbows and unicorns, etc.), but clear as perfect vision.

[Athymari]

Sounds like a bona-fide RTZ projection.  Sight in the RTZ is more often not as clear as 'eye-based' sight, since you are perceiving with your energy body- sort of like radar.  So the 'grainy/IR sight/ sometimes dark/dull' sight is more the rule than the exception.
Most of the time, if you get a 'crystal clear' sight, you have wandered off into the astral.  You can test this, the next time you have an RTZ projection, and get this 'pixellated' vision, go through a wall or a window.  Sometimes going through walls, bouncing into mirrors, going through doorways and into vortexes will transport you into the 'astral proper', where the surroundings look less 'true to life' (like rainbows and unicorns, etc.), but clear as perfect vision.

This sounds very much like when I have have my false awakenings everything is dark and dull. Just need to get rid of that nasty thats always there :p If I stay lying in bed it pounces/pulls me outta bed , if i try to get out same thing :p Even tried attacking it back :0

[jan019]

Hi guys, i have been unsuccessful. You know what, my biggest problem in going to AP from a trance is that i just can't seem to relax enough, and after about 10 - 15 minutes i just have to move a limb and well destroy the relaxing. I was searching a bit, and found out about binaural beats witch should help me get into the state from where it is easier to project from. I found a good site, but unfortunately it costs money and i am only 14 years old, so i don't have any only wallet. Ahh and my parents wont give me any money for stuff like this, they just don't believe in this. So i wanted to ask if you don't know about any good binaural beats that are for free and you know they work from you own experience. Thanks in advance.

Regards John

[CFTraveler]

Check out the BWGen site-they used to have some free stuff to try out.
I think that Holosync may also be free, but I'm not sure.

[jan019]

Thanks for the quick reply i am downloading BWgen right now!

[Athymari]

I have been trying to AP from a lucid dream still - however I sometimes seem to acheive it but part of me is always skeptical. It was nothing like my first actual projection.

Last nights example:

In my dream i was playing an online game. I was layed down on the sofa and was more or less asleep and decided to ignore the people in my dream talking to me and drifted backwards and onto the floor, which I did. I stood up to have a dark leather bag over me blocking my vision. It took some minutes but I finially removed it - not by 'phiscally' moving my dream body but it seeems a state of mind that freed me. The house was modelled after my granmothers but when I walked into the kitchen  - it wasnt a kitchen. I have never seen that lay out of a living room before. I went to the mirror wondering what I would look like - if I could see anything. What looked back was me but older, white skin, white/blonde very short hair and my eyes were very blood shot.

I went over to see my family who were sat on a couch and started to talk to them, and them me...

Now was this simply me dreaming about actually projecting (i tend to think so). I have this alot and can be off putting.

You may find this happening to you Jan019. THe more you flod your mind with something it (in this case AP) you may dream you are lucid and try to project and seem to manage it.

[jan019]

Hi thanks for the help Athymari  it's good to know this. Any way CFTraveler, after downloading BWgen i found out i just don't understand the program, i guess it would be easier to download already made binaural beats, but i can't find any free ones . Besides that i have another question. I know that it maybe has nothing to do with the astral world, but it just seems strange to me. So here it is. Yesterday we were going on the highway and all of a sudden a flock of about 1000 crows or ravens flew up into the air and flew rings around one place for a long while. It is not the migrating time so that's probably not why the were there. And not even my grandparents saw something like that and they are over 70 years old. I wanted to know if it could possibly be some kind of sign or anything like that.

[Xanth]

The BWGen program is quite fantastic.
I've been playing with it for a few months now with varied results.

jan019 ,
There is a set of free presets that you can download from that website.  Just unzip the files into the folder where you installed the BWGen program and you'll be able to use them.  It definitely takes a bit of practice before you can make your own.

As for the birds... there could be any number of reasons really.  I remember reading somewhere that birds are affected by magnetic fields slightly?

[jan019]

i will try it once more with the BWgen . And the birds, hmm well i thought that maybe it has something to do with spirits or some demons or whatever. You know those movies where ravens or crows are a sign if something bad so i was just curious

[CFTraveler]

Hollywood strikes again.
Ravens and crows have different meanings as totemic animals- in the new world the natives considered it to be a messenger from the spirits, and in european folklore it was a 'trickster', sometimes symbolizing wisdom, and sometimes deceit, depending on the country.

[thirdeye26]

It is a slow process, Jan; and you can't hurry these things up. You can have an astral projection via a lucid dream, but it will take loads of time. The best way to manage these things is to enjoy the journey rather than worry about not reaching the destination.

[Gbob]

Today I had a lucid dream after not having one for 2 months! I tend to not be able to LD when I'm tired or have been working lots. But today I did so I was really happy about it as I was starting to wonder what had happened to my LD 'ability'. Yet again, I couldn't pass through my front door. It's incredibly annoying! I always have to resort to opening it with the handle. I also tried flinging people about with telekinesis, anyone I could find in the street, but nothing happened and they just carried on walking past. So my LD's are quite boring, they just seem to be a quirkier version of reality. I wonder why I still can't do any of the things I want during LD  I have managed to pass thru doors and use TK before, but only on very rare occassions 

[jan019]

Guys, i have to say it's HARD WORK. I just can't seem to get a lucid dream nor an AP, any ideas what i could do apart from what people told me in this thread? And it doesn't matter if it is a way from a lucid dream or from conscious state, but i am getting desperate to project! And i don't think that will help me on my journey