Earth Sized Spherical Objects Orbitting Our Sun

[Stillwater]

Well, the "physicist" they interview doesn't sound exactly credible, although if what he is saying is indeed correct, it is utterly amazing- the idea that the way to travel vast intragalactic distances is by using the singularities buried in all stars is fascinating.... it would mean that long distance space travel might not be that inconceivably far in the future for the likes of us (centuries, maybe). But that is provided that what he explicitly admits to be mere theories are true.

On another note, the idea that the vatican owns a near monopoly of equipment and telliscopes observing the sun is not new or even surprising, but it takes a little history lesson of the type you normally never get in school:

When Christianity first came to Rome, it wasn't the only new religion in town, and nor was it even the only salvationist group. The Romans at this time had been largely fascinated with the mysticism of the Egyptians, which was nearing its end at around 100 ad. The Cult of Isis was one major import from this influence, which was concerned with communing with the Goddess, who in turn promised immortality to her subjects, and also, unsurprisingly, with the sun as one of her symbols she shared with other deities, such as Ra. The earliest church which Constantine helped to institute out of the half-clandestine worship of the early Christians had many things in common with this Cult of Isis, and many of the symbols and motifs had actually been integrated into the Vatican.

The vatican has always been fond of Egyptian obelisks as well, probably partially due to this early shared history, and many obelisks were shipped straight from Egypt to Rome. Infact, the entire road to Saint Peter's Basilica, the great cathedral of the pope, is lined with obelisks, and in the piazza directly in front of Saint Peter's, there is a massive Obelisk which was imported in 37 AD, and re-erected there in 1586.




I was priveliged to live in Rome for about a year, and I took a class with a famous American historian who lives there, where we would spend 4 hours a week tramping around the city, discussing the supressed histories of all the major fountains in the city, and the symbols of the powerful families of the Vatican and the later free masons which plastered just about every church and cathedral, but normally go overlooked.

There is a well known fountain, the Fountain of the Four Rivers in the very center of another of the colossal piazze of Rome, Piazza Navona, directly in Front of the great chuch of San Agnese.



Now it is well documented in most guidebooks and architectural histories, but none of them really tell the story of what it really represents. The imagery relates to the ideas imparted to the sculptor, Francesco Borromini, by one of the Vatican's historians, Athanasius Kircher. Kircher felt that all the great rivers of the earth are connected via a great feeding chamber, and this theory is embodied in the three European rivers, and the Nile, depicted, which also are meant to correspond to the rivers of Eden.

More importantly, however, is the Obelisk, which Kircher, from his studies of the Egyptian texts, had determined was meant to be a sort of "lightning rod" for the divine essence of the gods from the sun, which would then flow into the place the Obelisk was erected and concentrate. The real reason the Vatican wanted this fountain to be mounted with an Obelisk, was because they wanted to absorb the essence of God flowing from the sun, and concentrate it around their major churches.

With this in mind, it is easy to understand how the Vatican is really a group which derives its heritage from Egyptian and Greek sources, as much as early Christianity, and with this understanding, one can clearly see their interest in observing celestial objects, and principally the sun.

[kurtykurt42]

Wow, that sure is a cool fountain! 

[Stillwater]

It really is, and bits and pieces like this really tell the story of what the Vatican is at its core, where it's interests lie, and why it holds a near monopoly on the telliscopes and intruments studying the sun.

[lily moonsong]

If the vatican is so interested in egyptian practices why don't they just practice the old religion and stop pretending to be something else?   

[CFTraveler]

If the vatican is so interested in egyptian practices why don't they just practice the old religion and stop pretending to be something else?   

Because the 'old religion' doesn't really exist any more.  What we have now is a combination of what was there and how it was absorbed into the 'legal' religion of the time it was instituted, and how it's evolved as time has gone by.

[kurtykurt42]

Religions baffle me that's for sure.

I went in to a Muslim church today and talked with the priest. One of his students was there next to him and we talked for about 20 minutes. He asked me if I believe in god and was surprised by my words. He was a rather open minded man but not very intelligent. I found our conversation rather enjoyable but I am still no closer to understanding how religions work...

[horaciocs]

Religions baffle me that's for sure.

I went in to a Muslim church today and talked with the priest. One of his students was there next to him and we talked for about 20 minutes. He asked him if I believe in god and was surprised by my words. He was a rather open minded man but not very intelligent. I found our conversation rather enjoyable but I am still no closer to understanding how religions work...

I think of religions as an interpretation of aspects of the universe's basis of functioning people still don't understand in the physical. That's why, to most people here in this forum, religions are restraining and limited. We have a rather well-developed sense of reality here.

If we take what we experience while meditating and studying the non-physical as the real deal, we can see all that was left out of some religions and all that was created (imagined/invented) in them.

It feels like they have all been around since man began to wonder what's there to life after death and what's the real purpose of living. Some of them are quite precise, such as buddhism, while others are clearly a byproduct of someone's imagination (see the muslim paradise in wikipedia, for instance).

I'm not saying it's bad to have a religion, everyone is free to do whatever pleases them. It's just that you're bound to end up stuck in a belief system territory once you're through with the physical. (Although most of those BSTs are definitely worth visiting!! haha   )

*I have stated my opinion from my point of view to this whole situation. However, I can't take my experiences as the ultimate truth and expect the whole world to follow me. For catholics, muslims, buddhists, hindus and all other, what we take as the ultimate truth is nothing but another religion. I think that, all in all, a religion is whatever one believes there is to life beyond the five senses we're used to. There's nothing to gain in overthinking it, just take it as it suits you best.

[kurtykurt42]

I'll have to check out a couple of these BST's when I get a chance. Maybe they can teach me a thing or two about religions!  

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The grays are the ones I have had the most success contacting thus far. Here are a couple of different looking beings that I have been contacted by lately. Apparently the grays are more interested in me than any of the other guys.