Sleep Paralysis While Ill

[CFTraveler]

Hmmm, not sure why this got so argumentative.  I researched the mechanism for sleep paralysis because after saying that it was hormonal (which is an old theory) I wasn't sure if it was correct, and I found the latest studied theory.  I was responding to Kurt's comment, and correcting myself,  having had some first hand experience, both as a growth stage and while ill.
Of course no one knows exactly what it is and why it happens, but it does have a physical component, as well as an 'expanded awareness' component- and it is my belief that we give the blanket name 'sleep paralysis' to a variety of effects- from purely physical events to things such as energy expansion, visitation (not necessarily by demonic entities, but that's another post- but by human visitors (projectors) and all sorts of  entities, negative and positive.
The experiences run the gamut from the positive to the terrifying, and it's impossible to tell what causes all of them, because chances are it's a variety of causes.
Now I'm bowing out of this conversation because it went another direction.

[Xanth]

hahahahahaha WTF? Ok this board is a little too weird for me.

The first response was dumb, because the poster actually omits an entire line, that would have helped with the comprehension. But he wanted to say what he wanted, even if it made no sense, and had no relevance. I decided to ignore that because there is usually one like that.

Then I honestly thought people were answering Kurt's question, but it turned out tehy were more interested in telling me, what sleep paralysis was, even when it's pretty obvious I know it. Again, by willingly ignoring the topic of the thread they claim to be responding to.

Then Kurt actually chimed in an answer to his own question, telling me what to think at the same time.

So why should anyone of my caliber post here? creepy

You need to empty your cup... it's overflowing...

[Stookie]

I think hallucinations are kickin in high-speed during sleep paralysis. Your consciousness slips partially into non-physical areas, and being in a point of high-stress the subconscious filters the experience through fear, basically because it's SCARY. And because you don't feel you have any control at all, the fear is projected as something holding you back, like a demon or something. Anyone proficient in the astral knows that things can't always be taken at face value, especially when consciousness is split between the physical and astral.

One of my co-workers came in one morning (during a period of high-stress) and said she woke up at about 5 AM and was frozen still. She heard someone in her kitchen breaking everything there was to break. She thought someone had done something to her and she was going to find her whole house vandalized. She said it lasted for about an hour (could have been a couple minutes), and when she could finally move and get up, everything was fine. She had never heard of sleep paralysis and it was the first time it ever happened to her.

(kiuku - next time try to include exactly what it is you want to discuss in your original post. You told a story and it just kinda ended without posing anything.)

[kurtykurt42]

I have read many accounts of individuals that have been abducted or visited by ETs. Many of which describe their bodies becoming paralyzed and they are unable to move. The ET's will then take there body to their ship. Many of the people will describe that the pass right through walls / ceilings and even through the ship. I believe it's their energy body which they are transporting and not the physical body. It's the energy body that contains memories and emotions (which these guys are interested in).

When these beings do come into the room of the abductee, they may or may not be in physical form. Nevertheless, they have the ability to 'paralyze' the individual and make sure his energy body does not move. They then will guide it to the ship and perform the tests.

Once in a while they will stop into the physical dimension but this can be very dangerous. I watched the account of a man (unsolved mysteries I believe) that had been getting abducted weekly for over a month. He was a karate black belt and was very frustrated by the fact that he was completely helpless. Every night after his 4th or 5th abduction he decided to sleep with a Samurai sword in his hand. He was awakened by a bright light, sat up and sliced the gray in two. Clear liquid (blood) sprayed on the walls and the ET disappeared. They stopped coming back to his home after that.

[kiuku]

Xanth is there a moment when you're not telling people what they need to do, think, believe, and what they do and don't know about? Just curious.

Witchdoctor sounds like a sexual deviant. Anyone who isn't creeped out by his post is definitely on another plane of existence.

Annoying behavior, as well as decent behavior is just common sense.

I don't think I need to prescribe a set topic for people to discuss in order to expect that they not be you know, annoying.

For instance, you should make sure you read something if your comment is going to be negative, and if something says "sleep paralysis" in the title, chances are the author knows what it is, and it would be annoying if you said something like "gee I thought everyone knew about Sleep Paralysis."

If you want to be annoying, and annoy people, be my guest, but don't expect them to stick around, or entertain you.

[Xanth]

Edited:
Who cares... 

You're not here to learn.
That's abundantly clear.

[frozenlime]

If we are seeing real demons: How do you then explain that some people able to train them self up to skip or almost completely eliminate the feeling of seeing, hearing or feeling touched, spinning, demons or uncomfortable presences and so on during sleep paralysis?

Someone had a theory that some part of your brain doesn't and can't understand why your body is paralyzed - so it compensates by creating the feeling of something/someone bad doing something to paralyze you (which is based on what you fear most, classic example dark hooded man without visible head or sensations of someone grabbing and holding you). For those who have seen hypnagogic stuff without sleep paralysis, it's a lot of the same style as the hypnagogic stuff SPs are accompanied by, just that SP-hypnagogic hallucinations can be scary.

well, if a person is paralyzed, they shouldn't be able to open their eyes, so that makes sense.

Well, I CAN open my eyes during SP, and it's usually more pleasant to keep them closed (I sometimes open them, but I keep them closed if I am going to project).

There is too much consistency in hallucinations between people to compare them with dreams.

Why does it have to be like a dream to be a product of your brain? the subconscious creates a lot of different things and feelings in all shapes and forms ending in different lunges – dreams, is like so many other forms just another way for your subconscious to project it's creations in my opinion. Hypnagogia and hypnopompia is one of them.

I have read many accounts of individuals that have been abducted or visited by ETs. Many of which describe their bodies becoming paralyzed and they are unable to move. The ET's will then take there body to their ship. Many of the people will describe that the pass right through walls / ceilings and even through the ship. I believe it's their energy body which they are transporting and not the physical body. It's the energy body that contains memories and emotions (which these guys are interested in).

Funky, I think sleep paralysis is the reason people START to see "alien abductions". I've seen a lot of scary stuff, but now I'm friends with the sleep paralysis, and I never see or feel jack excrement of terror or any uncomfortable presence anymore. So I strongly believe it's a result of the subconscious. I used to see what I might have been afraid of/seems weird, and people thinking a lot about or feel aliens as scary or weird will see aliens. Just based on my personal experience since I don't fear SPs anymore.

He was a karate black belt and was very frustrated by the fact that he was completely helpless.

So in other words it was probably one of his biggest fears not being able to move, and he probably saw the same stuff every time since fear feeds of fear. The sword was a way to make him feel safer, just like I think many religious people seek strongness being accompanied by God, faith, etc. to overcome fear. It kills fear cause it makes you feel stronger.

[kurtykurt42]

Funky, I think sleep paralysis is the reason people START to see "alien abductions". I've seen a lot of scary stuff, but now I'm friends with the sleep paralysis, and I never see or feel jack excrement of terror or any uncomfortable presence anymore. So I strongly believe it's a result of the subconscious. I used to see what I might have been afraid of/seems weird, and people thinking a lot about or feel aliens as scary or weird will see aliens. Just based on my personal experience since I don't fear SPs anymore.

That's one explanation... but that doesn't explain the white liquid that squirted all over his walls when he sliced the gray in two. Or why his family was seeing bright lights in the middle of the night. Or why he had a mysterious piece of metal in his body made of an unknown metal...

[frozenlime]

Don't you think there would a huge sensational story in the media if there was found unknown metal pieces in a man?

And please, don't pull the government trying to cover it up and silence the media-card

[kurtykurt42]

Go online and you will find that 'implant's have been found in MANY abductees. I have been studying alien abductions for years and have read several thousand cases. And I can tell you with 1000% certainty that it is an absolutely real phenomenon dealing with interdimensional & extraterestrial beings. But if you believe that sleep paralysis is the reason people START to see "alien abductions", that's fine with me!  

[Xanth]

Strangely enough, there was a documentary on tv the other night ABOUT Sleep Paralysis.
It was interesting hearing about the different ways that different cultures describe what's going on.

But what they boiled it down to is that Sleep Paralysis is a natural function of the body that keeps you from acting out your dreams.
The only difference between Sleep Paralysis and that Natural Function is that you're not supposed to be conscious/awake mentally while your body is paralyzed.  That's all.

"Sleep Paralysis" is the term used to describe the natural function *ONLY* when you're consciously experiencing it.
When it happens naturally and wears off naturally before you wake up, it's called something else... the name of which escapes me at this time.

[CFTraveler]

"Sleep Paralysis" is the term used to describe the natural function *ONLY* when you're consciously experiencing it.
When it happens naturally and wears off naturally before you wake up, it's called something else... the name of which escapes me at this time.

Sleep.

[Xanth]

Sleep.

LoL  Smart butt
I think it had a definitive technical term to it... I might be wrong and misread something though.

We'll go with "Sleep" for now.  LoL

[nickspry]

Witchdoctor sounds like a sexual deviant. Anyone who isn't creeped out by his post is definitely on another plane of existence.

Lol.  Why? because he made a reference to a bodily function?  Seems to me maybe you're the one with issues?......

[CFTraveler]

Hi. Just thought I would chime in here. Do u ever do any lucid dreaming? I used to experience sleep paralysis and I came to the conclusion that it was just the mind awakening to the dream state. It was scary fer me too at first but once I forced myself to just lay there and shift into the dream state, I found that and all feelings of fear or terror gave way to a lucid dream experience. Next time it happens just go with it. If u can maintain lucidity in the dream state then the beings that u encounter in the dreamworld cannot harm u. Interaction with these beings can b achieved but thats a whole other topic. Next time it happens just go with it. Lucid dreaming helps to build the energy body which can be used as the vehicle fer consciousness during astral travel. I think good old kurtykurt knows wat I'm talking about.. but thats a whole other thread all to itself as well. Anyways, just my two cents. Dont b afraid. The worst thing that can happen is u lose control of yer bodily functions and soil a couple bed sheets.

Yep, I must have missed something here too, because I don't see anything sexually-deviant in it.  Kiuku, Losing control of your bowels has nothing to do with sex, unless you're making a connection that no one else sees here.

[Xanth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atony
That's what I was looking for.

[kiuku]

It's funny to see that there was a conversation even after I left. That, even after you claimed to not know why  it got negative, or why there was an argument, you came back to argue more. I told a story, and you met it with insolence and unfriendly attitudes, and a desire to debate. That even after the moderators came and changed your comments to sound less belligerent, it still reflects a great degree of insolence. Xanth's "I thought everyone knew about sleep paraylsis" (direct quote) tops the cake. I'm not really surprised, and it's actually kind of amusing. Well, stew in it. This thread has 500 views from you folks.

[kurtykurt42]

Yea, who knows where Xanth get's his insolence from... He claims to study martial arts and have a 'Sensai'. If I were his master I wouldn't put up with his shenanigans for 5 minutes before kicking him out on the street. 

[Xanth]

kiuku,
Yup, discussions generally continue even if the original poster isn't around.  Consider it a "Public Forum" thing. 
Changed my comments?  Direct quote?  You must be referring to someone else.  You're going to have to show me where I was "edited by the mods" and that "direct quote" of yours.

In any case, you posed a belief of yours, one which we know is incorrect... we corrected it for you.  You rejected that correction.
That's fine, no problem there. 

Personally, I'd rather be insolent than ignorant.  Meh.  To each their own.


Kurt,
Why do you have so much blatantly unwarranted, pent up anger towards me?
Let it go dude... let it go.  Move along.