Haven't Projected in a While

[cpt. picard]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking

No dispute eh...

[Xanth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking

No dispute eh...

"Various sources allege the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has been involved in several drug trafficking operations. The CIA is accused of working with groups which it knew were involved in drug trafficking, so that these groups would provide them with useful intelligence and material support[1][2]."

I see no facts there.

This is why it's called a 'conspiracy theory'. 

[Tiny]

I find it to be honest quite shocking that there are people who are really so naive as to view wikipedia contents as irrefutable facts . Almost as worse are the trolls who apparently still exist having not grown up for they are running around, squawking:
*conspriacy theory!* *conspiracy theory!* failing to partake in human adult level arguments.

[Fresco]

Only a fool believes every conspiracy theory out there is true.
But an even bigger fool believes the govt never lies to its citizens.

Anywho, we're getting way off-topic.  First my vibrations left me last week, then I got 2 days of REM during my trances and now the REM has stopped also.  I wonder what my next stage will be    

[Xanth]

Anywho, we're getting way off-topic.  First my vibrations left me last week, then I got 2 days of REM during my trances and now the REM has stopped also.  I wonder what my next stage will be    

They probably haven't stopped... you're just not noticing the physical body input anymore. 

[Fresco]

They probably haven't stopped... you're just not noticing the physical body input anymore. 

I dont understand what you mean by that 
You mean my body has loosened enough to the point where I cant feel the vibes anymore??

[cpt. picard]

Funny how many words are put in my mouth just for questioning someone's preconcieved notions. You said it is undisputable, yet there is clearly a debate to the issue, I dont recall stating anything as pure fact, but much of what you guys are calling me childish over is documented historical facts. No wikipedia is not always completely factual, thats why theres a list of references and sources at the bottom of the article. As for being childish? Seems more childish when you refuse to accept the truth of some issues because of your fragile world view being altered, saying the government or government agencies have never particpated in illegal activity takes alot more faith then so called "conspiracy theories", a term which you seem to be using like a news corporation, to make your opposition look "crazy" based on their political views. Truly ignorant statements on this forum lately.

[cpt. picard]

Personal attacks now, Kurt?  :/

Dude... despite what you think, I don't hate you.  I'm not sure if you can wrap your head around that.
You've seriously gotta lose the ego buddy... it has no place on this forum.

Seems like you all could lose the ego as of late, if I dont like something Kurt is saying i dont respond, you Xanth, seem to be making a disproportionate amount of argumentative comments, and this forum does not feel like the open, accepting environment it once was.

[Xanth]

I dont understand what you mean by that 
You mean my body has loosened enough to the point where I cant feel the vibes anymore??

hehe nono... I was referring to your REM events. 
You're not noticing them anymore.

Vibrations aren't physical... you'll feel those whether you have physical body input or not.

[Xanth]

Funny how many words are put in my mouth just for questioning someone's preconcieved notions. You said it is undisputable, yet there is clearly a debate to the issue, I dont recall stating anything as pure fact, but much of what you guys are calling me childish over is documented historical facts. No wikipedia is not always completely factual, thats why theres a list of references and sources at the bottom of the article. As for being childish? Seems more childish when you refuse to accept the truth of some issues because of your fragile world view being altered, saying the government or government agencies have never particpated in illegal activity takes alot more faith then so called "conspiracy theories", a term which you seem to be using like a news corporation, to make your opposition look "crazy" based on their political views. Truly ignorant statements on this forum lately.

Nono... you misunderstood what I said. 

The only fact here is that there are no facts.
Nobody can dispute that fact.  LoL

That was my exact quote.
What I was saying was that you couldn't dispute was that there was no facts regarding the subject.  Nothing more.
Show me facts, real facts on the subject and I'll change my opinion.  I'm always open to such things.

I wasn't making any statement for or against the governments being involved. 

As I said, just a misunderstanding.

[Xanth]

Seems like you all could lose the ego as of late, if I dont like something Kurt is saying i dont respond, you Xanth, seem to be making a disproportionate amount of argumentative comments, and this forum does not feel like the open, accepting environment it once was.

Well, generally, I'd agree with you, wholeheartedly...
There's just one problem and that's in that what Kurt is saying has been scaring off the "beginners" lately who have been coming here to learn.

As you can see, even the mods are becoming worried about his rhetoric... and it gets worse and worse everyday.  :/

Call it what you want, but I have nothing but the best interest of this forum at heart.  Mostly because I've seen his kind of BS ruin forums of this nature in the past.
The mods strong convictions of keeping this forum clean is a testament to their dedication.

[cpt. picard]

www.covertaction.org/
http://www.ciadrugs.com/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm
http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/9712/exsump1.htm#IV.


Here is a few sources for some beginning reading material, I will try to find some better sources if you still find these illegitmate, but one thing is for sure, this stuff has made it to the courts before in the past so saying its nothing but a factless "conspiracy" theory is unwarranted. Also the case with Rick Ross is LA would be worth looking into, he was the biggest drug dealer for years, only to find out he was buying off the CIA the ENTIRE time, like I said, this far from fringe conspiracy material. Anyways, I admit I dont buy much of what Kurt says, but the more we ignore it the more likely it is to stop in my opinion, afterall, who wants to lose an argument once its started?

[kurtykurt42]

There's just one problem and that's in that what Kurt is saying has been scaring off the "beginners" lately who have been coming here to learn.

The world can be a scary place and I'm helping people to understand the truth. The truth no matter how scary, unbelievable or ridiculous it may sound is still the truth and should be sought out.

As you can see, even the mods are becoming worried about his rhetoric.  :/

Call it what you want, but I have nothing but the best interest of this forum at heart.
Cause I've seen his kind of BS ruin forums of this nature in the past... actually many times.

Xanth… You just posted three times in a row and two of them where off topic. That is what they like to call trolling. In fact this is one of the most common reasons why forums go downhill, not because people are scared.

[Xanth]

www.covertaction.org/
http://www.ciadrugs.com/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm
http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/9712/exsump1.htm#IV.


Here is a few sources for some beginning reading material, I will try to find some better sources if you still find these illegitmate, but one thing is for sure, this stuff has made it to the courts before in the past so saying its nothing but a factless "conspiracy" theory is unwarranted. Also the case with Rick Ross is LA would be worth looking into, he was the biggest drug dealer for years, only to find out he was buying off the CIA the ENTIRE time, like I said, this far from fringe conspiracy material. Anyways, I admit I dont buy much of what Kurt says, but the more we ignore it the more likely it is to stop in my opinion, afterall, who wants to lose an argument once its started?

Thanks for the links captain!  (wow, I feel funny saying that... hehe)
I'll give them a read very soon, I promise.  I have an Easter Dinner to get to today, shortly.

But yeah, I do agree... I should exercise my 'ignore button' a bit more.  edit: like right now, for instance. 
I just worry for the new people, to set themselves back before they even get going.  We all remember being "the new guy"... and to come into all this already in debt... well, I'd like to stop that if at all possible.  I am happy to see there are people here who aren't being taken in by him.

But yes... I'll dial it back a bit. 

[cpt. picard]

lol, Im about to head to some relatives for easter dinner myself (although i only celebrate it as a cultural holiday, as there is no Christianity in the 24th century)

[zareste]

At this point I'm just enjoying seeing Xanth troll all over Kurt.
(whose karma, incidentally, is going down once every 100 hours)

[Xanth]

At this point I'm just enjoying seeing Xanth troll all over Kurt.
(whose karma, incidentally, is going down once every 100 hours)

So...
What you're saying is that you are ADMITTING that you are harassing me?

[zareste]

can you do Stookie next? I want to see what happens

[Xanth]

*wags nose at Zareste*   

personalreality,
The floor is back to you. 

[Fresco]

Come on guys, stop fighting.  This is getting ridiculous  

hehe nono... I was referring to your REM events.  
You're not noticing them anymore.

The REM came back today for some reason, stronger than ever too.  Weird!  

[Xanth]

The REM came back today for some reason, stronger than ever too.  Weird!  

Lots of "sensations" are going to come and go as you progress through your practicing.
It's best to keep that air of "meh" about them... and just accept them and go with the flow. 

[Kodemaster]

Let's get this thread back on topic.

A member came in and asked about antidepressants and their effects (positive or negative) on projection.

Any more fighting, and/or off-topic discussion on this thread will lead to its closure.

Thank you for you understanding and cooperation.

[personalreality]

I'm starting to regain a sense of myself and so I'm gonna try to start projecting again when I have time on wednesday.

I'll let you know how it goes.

[jerri255]

Hi , my name is Naomi, I really felt for you, I really don't think it is the drugs at all, I am on a very high narcotic Hydromophone contin (6 mg) 3 times a  day and also hydromorph ( delalid)2mg 3 x a day and I project at least once every week although I have gone 2. It started for me about 2 years ago and I was diagnosed with MS 5 years ago.. The pain was unbearable and I took up mediatation to help ease the pain which is what I think brought the astral travel on... the fact is I never even heard of it, I was scared to death at the beginning and looked up Near Death experiences then came upon Astral Travel through the process... so maybe meditation would help you???

[personalreality]

I meditate.  There's a difference between heroin addiction and legitimate pain management as far as state of mind is concerned.  You'll still go through withdrawal though if you ever come off it.  But you take it cause you have to, I did it to get high (though I bet you're probably pretty high a lot of the time, there's no way you can't be on those kinds of meds at first).

What's been holding me back is the withdrawal symptoms.  I'm able to meditate now but I haven't even really tried to project yet.  I still think opiates stifle the soul though.  Perhaps you're highly energetically developed and the opiate doesn't effect you as bad.

What I'm worried about now is the zoloft.  I mean, I have lots of experience with the effect of narcotics on spiritual practice, I'm just not sure about mood meds.  My personal beliefs on the subject are cause for concern, but I'm gonna keep trying.

Thank you for sharing your experience