Good Posts to read on Phasing

[Bacterio]

From my experiences(which I do add is very limited) doing nothing on any conscious level that you're aware of in f2 will make you fall asleep, doing any conscious activity in f2 then will keep your awareness and do.. the opposite yes. I would go so far as to say that rundowns are the essence of phasing, and nothing else is necessary, so trying to do a rundown is the same thing as trying to phase. I'm pretty sure when you put intention in the rundown it helped to focus on your rundown more which is why it was more effective.

Sure, with intention everything is more effective. But I didn't want to say placing intention in the rundown but in the "goal"...I mean, keep the intention of phasing while doing the rundown. It's like locking a target. Maybe it is obvious for most of you, but I just realized it. I am doing the rundown without placing a focused intent in phasing (just doing the rundown and waiting to phase), and maybe this is one of my pitfalls.

[soli]

Sure, with intention everything is more effective. But I didn't want to say placing intention in the rundown but in the "goal"...I mean, keep the intention of phasing while doing the rundown. It's like locking a target. Maybe it is obvious for most of you, but I just realized it. I am doing the rundown without placing a focused intent in phasing (just doing the rundown and waiting to phase), and maybe this is one of my pitfalls.

not really obvious, If I told you how much I was doing wrong at first you wouldn't even call it a rundown. I understand where you're coming from, when one does something with the thought of a purpose its probably easier for the subconscious to know what needs to be done. I don't know how the purpose thought becomes entangled with the actual rundown though to the subconscious, it probably sees it as one idea, and not a purpose + rundown, but, a purposeful rundown, if that makes sense.

[Xanth]

can you still choose to wander in your astral body rather than just rotate your location?

You can wander around, yes.  But you'll quickly learn that it's a waste of time and energy as even as we use phasing to change our focus of awareness... you can do the same thing WHILE projecting to move between places. 

Last night I found an interesting thing about rundown. I was not trying to phase (I am taking a break) but I started a kind of rundown in order to fall asleep. The result was the opposite!. So I decided to use "intention" while doing the rundown...and everything changed. As I put intention in the rundown I could feel a change in my awareness almost inmediately. So maybe the formula is - rundown+intention+stop spectations -

Yup, you have to not only do a rundown... you have to BELIEVE that you're there, experiencing everything that you're imagining.

From my experiences(which I do add is very limited) doing nothing on any conscious level that you're aware of in f2 will make you fall asleep, doing any conscious activity in f2 then will keep your awareness and do.. the opposite yes. I would go so far as to say that rundowns are the essence of phasing, and nothing else is necessary, so trying to do a rundown is the same thing as trying to phase. I'm pretty sure when you put intention in the rundown it helped to focus on your rundown more which is why it was more effective.

Rundowns are but one of the methods we use to phase.

~Ryan

[soli]

Rundowns are but one of the methods we use to phase.

~Ryan

maybe it is because its the only viable method I know that it's currently phasing to me. I haven't really seen any mention or focus on any other methods, could you point me to other posts or shall I go searching myself.

[Xanth]

maybe it is because its the only viable method I know that it's currently phasing to me. I haven't really seen any mention or focus on any other methods, could you point me to other posts or shall I go searching myself.

Using rundowns are one method.
"Noticing" is another.

Basically, any method that uses visualization would also work just fine.

[soli]

Using rundowns are one method.
"Noticing" is another.

Basically, any method that uses visualization would also work just fine.

oh, I categorize them both as "looking within", the only difference to me with rundowns is you add visualization for yourself to "look into", which is easier I think for beginners like me. I just don't want to over complicate it by adding many labels and techniques that in the end are the exact same function with different variants.

[Xanth]

They're both designed to entice the same goal... that is bringing all of your senses into Focus 2.
The rundown creates a very real scenario for you to shift your senses to.
The noticing does the same, but in a more passive sense... you're not exactly waiting for something to happen, but you're using all your senses in 'blackness' infront of you and around you to "notice" anything different.

~Ryan

[soli]

They're both designed to entice the same goal... that is bringing all of your senses into Focus 2.
The rundown creates a very real scenario for you to shift your senses to.
The noticing does the same, but in a more passive sense... you're not exactly waiting for something to happen, but you're using all your senses in 'blackness' infront of you and around you to "notice" anything different.

~Ryan

those are accurate explanations, I think its ok if we split phasing methods between active and passive visualization, but nothing more. It's when people start labeling different scenes in f2 as techniques that those reading them start to misunderstand what they're even doing and simply follow the techniques as though they're magic. Like flip a coin twice, do a hand stand then spin in a circle and you'll suddenly be in another area of consciousness. Especially when its an activity they may not even like doing because they don't realize they can come up with their own scene that is more attributed to their uniquely charged emotions and self. 

[Bacterio]

If I am not wrong Frank recomended to start with noticing and then rundown. I am sure I am loosing something.

[Xanth]

If I am not wrong Frank recomended to start with noticing and then rundown. I am sure I am loosing something.

I incorporate both into my practices.
I use "noticing" until I'm relaxed enough and within Monroe's Focus 3.
Then I switch to my rundown and actually Phase with that.

Although, in Franks Phasing Resource, "noticing" can actually be used to phase directly.
Through his many posts on the forums, I found that his "rundown" is also a method one can use to phase.

[soli]

If I am not wrong Frank recomended to start with noticing and then rundown. I am sure I am loosing something.

well, start with what you think is easier for yourself. Doesn't matter if I think rundowns are easier than noticing, it's what you think If you think noticing is easier than rundowns then go for it. If Frank's logic and reasoning for why noticing is recommended resonates with you then don't listen to me. My logic is once you have a stable rundown created to memorize that you'll be able to practice it routinely with visualization that will be learned by the subconscious. Instead of having to constantly notice what changes around you you bring the changes to yourself which will allow you to have a clearer view of what to actually focus on, the darkness behind your eyelids or actual f2 itself. Close your eyes, you see darkness, that darkness is not f2, that is simply you seeing your eyelids with very little light if any at all penetrating through your eyes. So where is f2 then? Think of an image and close your eyes, does it actually appear behind your closed eyes in that darkness or is it elsewhere? Just looking at blackness initially to me, it is hard to know which "blackness" to focus on. However if you create a rundown then you always have a differentiation between the initial blackness of f2 and the blackness that is created by a lack of light being perceived by the eyes. What I am curious of is now since what I perceive is also in f2 is there the concept of the blackness I am seeing from my eyes in the blackness of f2? If so then the problem is we're trying to focus on f2 in a concept within f2 which probably confuses the subconscious greatly.

[Bacterio]

I have some confusion with the blackness stuff too, maybe I am trying to rationalize too many things beforehand. Anyway, rundowns seems to be good for me so I'll keep working on it and playing with "pretending things" Moen's style.

I forgot to say I use Hemi-sync as a tool for phasing, so I find easy to quiet my mind to a decent level, get relaxed and quite focused within minutes.

[soli]

If you're using hemi-sync if you haven't already check out the wave 1 pointers post by Frank in permanent astral topics, it gives a guideline as to the depth of imagination that you should have as you follow along with it. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave_1_pointers_original_post_by_frank-t25243.0.html

[Bacterio]

If you're using hemi-sync if you haven't already check out the wave 1 pointers post by Frank in permanent astral topics, it gives a guideline as to the depth of imagination that you should have as you follow along with it. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/gateway_wave_1_pointers_original_post_by_frank-t25243.0.html

Thank you. T tried to do the rundown as Frank says, but as I use different Cd's I had to change the rundown everytime so now I start the rundown once the cd leaves you in the free-flow period. I changed some exercises to make them longer (cut and paste) so I can have more than 1 hour for flying.

[soli]

yeah, I used audacity to lengthen some parts also as at times it feels like it is too rushed and doesn't leave you enough time to experience and enjoy some certain focus states. It's like now you're in focus xxx and then 10 seconds later hes moving on to the next focus already. Also do note you can improvise on what the tape tells you in anyway if you feel it will be better and you don't have to strictly follow exactly what it says.

[Bacterio]

yeah, I used audacity to lengthen some parts also as at times it feels like it is too rushed and doesn't leave you enough time to experience and enjoy some certain focus states. It's like now you're in focus xxx and then 10 seconds later hes moving on to the next focus already. Also do note you can improvise on what the tape tells you in anyway if you feel it will be better and you don't have to strictly follow exactly what it says.

He he..I used audacity too. I find the Cd's are for certain exercises. So for phasing are quite intrusive when start talking. For using at night I have eliminated the return to C1 at the end of the Cd's. As a training in perceive changes in awareness I find useful to use sometimes the exercise they give at Gateway that take you from  10 to 21 with a stop in each level.

which focus do you use for phasing purposes? I use 10 and now I am trying in 21. What I feel is in 21 is easier to "travel" with the mind but more difficult to stay away from physical body...I feel my body very much in 21 if I go straight to that level without staying in 10/12 for at least 20 minutes.

[soli]

He he..I used audacity too. I find the Cd's are for certain exercises. So for phasing are quite intrusive when start talking. For using at night I have eliminated the return to C1 at the end of the Cd's. As a training in perceive changes in awareness I find useful to use sometimes the exercise they give at Gateway that take you from  10 to 21 with a stop in each level.

which focus do you use for phasing purposes? I use 10 and now I am trying in 21. What I feel is in 21 is easier to "travel" with the mind but more difficult to stay away from physical body...I feel my body very much in 21 if I go straight to that level without staying in 10/12 for at least 20 minutes.

the only cd you should really need is the wave1 focus 10, from there in a deep focus 10 you can do whatever you want to try and phase. The less aware you become of your physical body the easier it is for focus to be placed on other areas of consciousness. I don't really subscribe to monroe's focus levels, it's just here, imagination, the astral, and infinity to me, as all previous three focuses exist within infinity.

[Xanth]

I was listening to an edited Intro to Focus 10 track the other morning.
Monroe takes you to Focus 10... then, because it's edited, the track and sounds just END.
I thought at the time that my power had gone out or something. LOL
But then I realized I was listening to my iPod and only the track had ended.
If someone could taper the end of the track so it's not so "CUT", then it would be better.

For now, I suggest using the track as a primer for your mind.  Listen to it... go to Focus 10... then allow Monroe to take you back.
Do this a few times, THEN try it without the track.

~Ryan

[personalreality]

Xanth,

does Frank ever write about Focus level/trance level correspondences or ways to identify your focus level?

[Xanth]

Xanth,

does Frank ever write about Focus level/trance level correspondences or ways to identify your focus level?

He differentiated them the same way Robert Monroe did... by how they "felt" and what you "experienced".

Focus 1... physical reality (duh hehe)
Focus 2... your subconscious.  Feeling awake and fully conscious, able to relive memories and personal belief constructs... etc... creating objects is done by a thought, but objects fade away fast.
Focus 3... transition area.  Feeling awake and fully conscious, able to visit people who have passed and have actual conversations with them... creating objects take a lot more effort, but they're permanent and stick around until you choose to destroy them.
Focus 4... like plugging your mind into a collective of minds.  Totally subjective area.

It's all about how they "feel" and what you can "experience" while you're there.
At least that's the only way I can think of to describe it.

~Ryan

[soli]

I was listening to an edited Intro to Focus 10 track the other morning.
Monroe takes you to Focus 10... then, because it's edited, the track and sounds just END.
I thought at the time that my power had gone out or something. LOL
But then I realized I was listening to my iPod and only the track had ended.
If someone could taper the end of the track so it's not so "CUT", then it would be better.

For now, I suggest using the track as a primer for your mind.  Listen to it... go to Focus 10... then allow Monroe to take you back.
Do this a few times, THEN try it without the track.

~Ryan

Xanth, download Audacity, it is a very easy to use freeware audio recording program. That way you won't have to specifically communicate to others what you want when you can easily do so to your own tastes. I think you're intelligent enough to understand how to copy/paste selected audio segments with it. I do agree that constant practice in certain focus states will allow your subconscious to develop an understanding of how that focus state is supposed to feel which will allow for a faster focus into that state.

[Bacterio]

Xanth, download Audacity, it is a very easy to use freeware audio recording program. That way you won't have to specifically communicate to others what you want when you can easily do so to your own tastes. I think you're intelligent enough to understand how to copy/paste selected audio segments with it. I do agree that constant practice in certain focus states will allow your subconscious to develop an understanding of how that focus state is supposed to feel which will allow for a faster focus into that state.

It's not only understanding how the feeling is, they say (TMI) you create the neuronal paths in your brain to go there, as any training.

[soli]

It's not only understanding how the feeling is, they say (TMI) you create the neuronal paths in your brain to go there, as any training.

hum.. I'm interested in just listening to focus 10 over and over again now. It seems impossible with constant practice for some structure of the brain to not physically change based upon it, even subtly.

[Xanth]

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/wild_vs_phasing-t2832.0.html;msg18784#msg18784

This is a great post to read.
It doesn't deal with Phasing, per se... but Frank does explain how to convert a Lucid Dream into a full blown Projection.

This is the exact method I use to convert my LD's into Projections.

~Ryan

Turning a lucid dream into a controlled Astral projection to a higher focus level is dead easy to say, but ever so tricky to do at the time. A lucid dream is simply where your mind is at the Focus 22 state and you are releasing all kinds of thoughts and emotions that are creating the circumstances you find yourself in. I haven't read LaBerge's work but he is quite correct to say that dreams are created by the person dreaming.

With practice, a person can teach themselves to become more conscious so they begin to see the dreamscape while it is happening, rather than remembering about it after they awake.

Now, it is at this point where it starts to get tricky. Because there are people I came across who experienced lucid dreams to the point where they became expert at creating them. So much so, they concluded that all this obe-stuff was mere emotional interplay. In other words, they got so wrapped up in creating these lucid dreams for themselves, they became blinded to all the other stuff that lay ahead.

What you need to do is when you find yourself in the midst of a dream, i.e. when you become lucid, try and concentrate solely on one aspect of your dreamscape. Then ask yourself a simple question about it. You see, even though you have become lucid, your whole sense of conscious awareness will not all be with you (well, chances are it won't put it that way). So you need to first bring everything on stream.

By asking a simple question, this brings your critical faculties into play together with your senses of logic and reason. Which, in turn, swing  into action your short-term and long-term memory banks, and so forth. Once you have full conscious awareness, then you need to become as mentally still as possible. This will have the effect of shutting down all the dreamscape. At this point you can gather a definite intent to travel to wherever you wish.

Within the Astral, Intent is the fuel that drives you from place to place. That's why you need to start from a point of mental stillness. Because whatever you focus on, becomes your reality. So if your mind is flitting here and there, your circumstances, in turn, will be flitting here and there. Which is all mighty confusing.

A handy tip to remember: it is your degree of conscious control that is the key to opening access to the higher planes. So the higher the degree of conscious control you have, the higher the Astral plane you can project to.

In the old days they talked about having to be a spiritually pure person and giving money to charity, and all that jazz, before the higher (in their line of thinking more godly) realms became open to you. When it's nothing of the kind. It's simply your degree of conscious control.

The definition of what constitutes good conscious control is the degree to which you can remain mentally still and emotionally closed. From this basis, you can then "become open" and "become closed" with a high degree of selectivity. Which does take a lot of practise. Monroe was something of an expert at doing this and he even created a list of terms which detailed the switching processes commonly encountered.

Yours,
Frank

EDIT: I just read Ginny's post about her latest F23 retrieval and she gives some good examples of what I'm talking about. Like, where she says:

NOTE: Words in italics are my emphasis.

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    this camp or town had attacked the first town I had encountered. I opened up just enough to get a sense for the place and got a strong feeling of hate, an all-consuming emotional need for retaliation.



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    It was a constant merry-go-round: attack, be attacked...an endless loop for justice and the need to destroy. I closed these feelings off quickly and moved inside one of the 'bunkers'.



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    The man was feeling uncertain...I think having trouble dealing with anything new or anything suggesting any kind of change...so I brought the feeling of love and respect to me and directed the energy to him. It wasn't long before another Helper arrived



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    I thought to ask if it would just invite more misery and destruction but kept my feelings to myself as their anger was building to a fever pitch. I was open to finding anyone who was disenchanted but no one there had any desire to want to leave, just gear up for more fighting...so I waved goodbye and departed upward and out.