Clarification

[Inico]

Funny you should describe my view of life as a human joke - sometimes it isn't far from the truth. However, I'm not foolish enough to think I'm here for no reason. There are times that I've considered taking my own life, but not out of depression, but rather out of the feeling of pointlessness to life. Yet, some readings about OBE experiences say that we choose our parents and our life, and that means I chose this life for myself - so I'd probably give myself a right kick if I took my life only to discover I missed the point of it all.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty sure that learning about the universe is a part of what defines me. It's the same reason I want to see the world - adventure, experience!

I really do wonder how I ended up in Focus 1, though. Where was I before that?

[zareste]

edit - clicked the wrong reply button lol

[soli]

. - how do I achieve more reply buttons

[Inico]

edit - clicked the wrong reply button lol

That sounds damn right scary.

[soli]

Another example would be me telling you all about learning how to ride a skateboard. I can tell you all day how to do it and conceptually you might think you have it. Once you get on the skateboard and bust your butt, then you understand.

Yes but you won't bust your butt continually, you'll probably bust your butt, think about and reflect on what you did wrong, then go at it again.

[dbmathis]

BTW - When I said "this experience as being a human joke" I hope you realize that that was all inclusive. Meanng, I was talking about the entire human experience, everyone included.

[Inico]

BTW - When I said "this experience as being a human joke" I hope you realize that that was all inclusive. Meanng, I was talking about the entire human experience, everyone included.

Oh yes, don't worry.  That's what I meant, too.

I find it ridiculous how we've got billions of people bumping around without the slightest idea to the most important questions in the universe a human can ask.

[Xanth]

With how fast this thread has been updated... you guys should just go chat on the IRC channel.  LOL

~Ryan

[dbmathis]

It's called the collective ego or the collective total identification with thought. I have heard Robert Bruce speak about Eckhart Tolle and turning off thinking as being a prerequisite for attempting OBEs and I understand why after reading his books. I suggest reading all of Eckhart Tolle's books.

[Inico]

I haven't heard of Eckhart Tolle; the latest book I'm reading is Robert Monroe's first one, due to Frank being inspired by him.

However, I will check out this author you recommend, as I deem your opinion valuable. 

So, there is a chat function?

[soli]

I haven't heard of Eckhart Tolle; the latest book I'm reading is Robert Monroe's first one, due to Frank being inspired by him.

However, I will check out this author you recommend, as I deem your opinion valuable. 

So, there is a chat function?

its an irc channel you can access with a client or via web gui, check out Xanth's signature

[dbmathis]

Yeah, there is a link in Xanth's signature on here. Just click it and join the chat.

If you like Monroe you should also read My Big TOE by Thomas Campbell. He was one of the founders of the Monroe institute and has taken on his on research. Additionally, I have read all of the Monroe books too and the second book "Far Journeys" is very good and in my opinion better then the first and the last book "Ultimate Journey" is out of this world. After I read Ultimate Journey, I seriously wanted to have another child. .

[Inico]

What do you guys think about the Monroe Institute's Hemi-Sync concept?

Also, I've read somewhere here that death is like transferring our current state of mind into the afterlife; but I think that our waking consciousness is an altered state of mind in itself. What makes my current perception more 'real' than when I would be intoxicated in some fashion? Is there a natural state of mind?

Last night I attempted an emphasis on 'noticing', and I got heavy vibration feelings on my head - usually I feel them below the waist, the legs and feet, mostly, and my arms. It wasn't the first time that I catch glimpses of things; darting, what could be a scene that lasts under a second.

[soli]

Also, I've read somewhere here that death is like transferring our current state of mind into the afterlife; but I think that our waking consciousness is an altered state of mind in itself. What makes my current perception more 'real' than when I would be intoxicated in some fashion? Is there a natural state of mind?

This is very true, consider that there is no "altered" state of mind and that the state of mind is just like a frequency that operates on a certain wave length. There is no natural state of mind, simply there is a frequency that most operate at while in f1 which is a misconception of being in a natural state of mind. To me the hemi-sync concept is almost like a rundown as far as methodology goes, thought is displayed to your subconscious in order for it to react and allow yourself to be in that same brain wave state.

[Inico]

Ah, wonderful. That sounds a lot more sensible. So you'd say it's like our mind adapting to the experience in question?

[soli]

Ah, wonderful. That sounds a lot more sensible. So you'd say it's like our mind adapting to the experience in question?

If you mean like when we're drugged, our perception only changes because what is perceived is being translated differently by the brain than it usually does thus it perceives differently. Say you see a bottle, we're going to say the brain translates the light shown to the eyes as 011101, where as without drugs the brain would translate the light as 100101, 011101 !=100101 so a different image would be perceived to yourself. As it goes like light -> eyes -> translation into thought by brain -> thought is viewed by self. Does the drug also change the frequency at which the brain is operating at? Would have to do tests as I don't know

[Inico]

So what is the relation between brain waves and the self?

[soli]

So what is the relation between brain waves and the self?

the frequency is related to the physical activity being done by self, It probably be better if I just posted links as I don't have the information so collectively organized in memory. Found this >.> http://www.web-us.com/brainwavesfunction.htm and this <.< http://www.brainandhealth.com/Brain-Waves.html, a googling we go..

[Inico]

I got my hands on some Eckhart Tolle stuff - half an hour in and it's already given me some profound insight. Even on some of my own problems, especially related to blocks I encounter as regards attaining an OBE. He speaks about living in the Now - considering the Now as an obstacle.
How we fail to see the vertical dimension to life, rather than the horizontal one of time. Vertical dimension being depth of the Now. I imagine OBE's are related to the depth of the vertical rather than the horizontal idea of time! That explains a lot. Our relationship to this moment.

And thank you soli for those links, I will get to them in due course.

I was thinking about the rule of like attracting like - because I suddenly find myself out of touch with a range of people because of my shifting view of the world. Surely enough, the rule of like attracting like finds me in this community now.

[personalreality]

Eckhart Tolle is unoriginal...sorry I work in a bookstore and sell his books...

[Inico]

Eckhart Tolle is unoriginal...sorry I work in a bookstore and sell his books...

Original or not, I don't think it really matters if the material can be helpful.
Is what you're saying is that the reasoning he's got is commonplace; or that you think there are better sources of this same stream of information I should use?

[dbmathis]

Eckhart Tolle is unoriginal...sorry I work in a bookstore and sell his books...

I agree, he simply pulls together ideas from many different sources and makes a point which is basically that ego creates unhappiness in his opinion. . The way the unoriginal is presented however is unique in his own way. Some like it some don't.

Inico, only you can know if the book is good by reading it. Many have said the same thing as him as he himself points out

[Inico]

Well, what I've come across so far, in practical terms, is to enjoy the present moment rather than worry about past and future! And to accept it rather than consider it an obstacle. I think that's pretty logical. 

Any other recommendations anyone wishes to share with me? I'm happy to learn.