Past Lives - Ref: Frank

[xxSaffronxx]

Now reading through Franks AP article - he talks about his perspective on past lives (near the end).
He says that people usually assume past lives are sequential, but in fact they are simultaneous. But that the person you see suring a past-life regression is not actually you.

I cant get my head round the fact it is not you, but i agree with the theory of them being simultaneous somehow.

Can anyone else shed more light on this theory?

[Xanth]

In my opinion and as per Frank's theory, it's not you in the sense that only *YOU* are you.
These other lives are simply other *YOUS* living out their lives in other Focus 1's in other dimensions.
But they're not REALLY you... you just share the same "whole".

[xxSaffronxx]

It's not you in the sense that only *YOU* are you.
These other lives are simply other *YOUS* living out their lives in other Focus 1's in other dimensions.
But they're not REALLY you... you just share the same "whole".

So you are saying its like our energy (not sure if thats the right word but cant think of a better one) is in different lives (so energy is split) - but on the whole all these people (the energy) is "you"?

[indian]

When you go deep, you realize that there is actually NO past lives. Like Budhha denied past life in his last days.

Past lives are just memories, can be accessed by anyone. What you see in past life regression, is actually not you but the *Memory* left behind by other human.

It depends what memory is being plugged in during regression.

You are actually never born before.

[Naykid]

When you go deep, you realize that there is actually NO past lives. Like Budhha denied past life in his last days.

Past lives are just memories, can be accessed by anyone. What you see in past life regression, is actually not you but the *Memory* left behind by other human.

It depends what memory is being plugged in during regression.

You are actually never born before.

I've had several past-life memories and I can tell you they weren't someone else, it was my soul, without a doubt.  I can see the simultaneous lives happening, makes sense to me.   I've been in other people's memories and thoughts, and I could tell they were theirs. 

I'm hard pressed to say that any one person is totally correct in anything that happens outside THIS reality.   

[xxSaffronxx]

When you go deep, you realize that there is actually NO past lives. Like Budhha denied past life in his last days.

Past lives are just memories, can be accessed by anyone. What you see in past life regression, is actually not you but the *Memory* left behind by other human.

It depends what memory is being plugged in during regression.

You are actually never born before.

So then in your opinion, there is no reincarnation?

[indian]

So then in your opinion, there is no reincarnation?

Yes. There is no incarnation at all. It s a complex thing but when you go deep you will know it.

Frank also denied reincarnation I think..

[Xanth]

You can read it. 

3) Frank's findings concerning the concept of reincarnation

Reincarnation is a confusing issue. I used to subscribe to the notion that we all lived sequential human lives, one after the other, as did Monroe. You will find that the standard concept of reincarnation runs through his work. However I have now come to the conclusion that this is not quite right. It is fair to say, from a Focus 4 perspective, that we all certainly do experience many, many human lives. The difference is, we don't experience them sequentially, we experience them all simultaneously.

Focus 4 of consciousness holds what you might call our individual Primary Essence. Each individual is a focus of his or her Primary Essence. Stemming from each of our Primary Essences, if you like, are many, many other focuses. A person may have thousands of other focuses who are experiencing physical lives, both in our physical world and in many other physical dimensions too, but these other focuses are NOT us. But they are directly connected to us, if you like, as they are a focus of the same Primary Essence.

We can MERGE with these other focuses as they are of the same Primary Essence and they can MERGE with us. When I say merge I mean we can search within us and experience them. They are, most certainly 'other lives' and other lives we can merge with and experience. But they are NOT us. They are other focuses of our Primary Essence.

Again, within subjective reality there is NO time. There is no such thing as past and future. All is present. This aspect of subjective reality is one of the most misunderstood aspects and causes a LOT of confusion. I've said a number of times that all this is to do with the way these, what are called, Trans-Dimensional Areas in consciousness function. I've been studying them for a while and they are mighty complex to get to grips with. I still have not managed to suss them out, yet.

But what people are calling 'past lives' are, in fact, encounters with other focuses of their Primary Essence. The basic mistake people make is they assume the other person is them. How can it not be them? People think to themselves, after all, they know SO much about them. They can sense them inside, so it must have been another life, they assume. Just like when people looked to the sun and tracked its movements. It was OBVIOUS the sun revolved around the earth. Of course, the sun does not actually move around the earth at all. Quite the opposite. In a similar vein, these people are assuming that the people they are merging with are them. But the people that we encounter within us, in this particular respect, are NOT us. They are other focuses of our Primary Essence that we can merge with. I have done this a number of times. All you need do is project to Focus 4 and all will become apparent to you.

What people are calling 'past-life regression' is, in fact, a merging with another focus in the action of an F1/F4 overlay experience. But I actually doubt that even these are all true mergings with other focuses. It may just be people observing other people within Focus 3 and not understanding that there is even a Focus 3.

There is a difference between merging and observing. When you merge with another focus you actually feel as if you have become that person. You haven't actually become them, all you have done is to merge with them. But it does feel like you have become them for the duration of the merging. Hence the reason why people mistakenly assume the other person was them at some stage.

Again, there is NO TIME within subjective reality. I cannot stress this point too highly. It is the source of MUCH confusion and misunderstanding.

It is fair to say that at least some of our physical focuses who are experiencing our physical dimension may be engaged in several different time-frames simultaneously, so in this sense and in this sense only, we, from where we are sitting in this time-frame, may have other focuses who are currently engaged in physical lives in our historical past and perhaps we can offer ourselves glimpses of their lives, seeing how we are sharing the same physical system. However, they are still experiencing their lives at the same time as we are experiencing ours.

I am NOT saying that the people who are thinking they are connecting with 'past lives' are talking a complete load of BS. Nope, I am saying they are making the basic misassumption that they were once the other person. They are making the mistake of assuming their lives are occurring in a linear time framework. i.e. occurring in a sequential manner. In other words, that each life proceeds one after the other. Nope, all your focuses are living simultaneously and every one of your focuses is a different person. What 'connects' them all, if you like, is they are a focus of the same Primary Essence within Focus 4 of consciousness and that is what makes it possible to merge with them. You DO have other focuses that you can merge with, but they are NOT you. You are you and they are they. But people are SO transfixed with the notion of linear time they cannot think beyond it.

He did believe in reincarnating.
But it wasn't a linear reincarnation... for example, say you died today... in a linear reincarnation system, you could *ONLY* reincarnate into another life that was further along our current time line.
However, in his system... and because there is "no time" in the non-physical... you can actually reincarnate into any point along our physical realities time line.

Think about that for a second... and the implications that causes. 

~Ryan

[Naykid]

I'm solely basing my opinion on my experiences...so, in my life, I've had more than one.      

[xxSaffronxx]

im confused xanth - i will read that part in depth later on when i am not in a noisy office  . I didnt get as far as that last night when reading it

[indian]

You can read it. 

He did believe in reincarnating.
But it wasn't a linear reincarnation... for example, say you died today... in a linear reincarnation system, you could *ONLY* reincarnate into another life that was further along our current time line.
However, in his system... and because there is "no time" in the non-physical... you can actually reincarnate into any point along our physical realities time line.

Think about that for a second... and the implications that causes. 

~Ryan

Yes Rayn, I understand Frank very well.

I can go beyond his explanation and explain how you recall it.

When you die, you leave you brain (memories, or whatever you call it) behind. People from ages have been explaining astral bodies. They say your body is made of 7 energy bodies (or may be more). If you use this system to understand it, it says your Emotional body is actually a body that contains your thoughts and other physical emotions you have experienced in this life.

Mind, thought or whatever you call it, I will name it a *Memories*. It's energy that can be connected with any *Living Brain*. These memories can be connected to any womb and give an impression of past life.

As far as Main source of energy or F4 is concerned, that is a collective consciousness and I will call it One Supreme consciousness. This whole world, universe, other dimensions are nothing but the collection of consciousness. From ages we have been thinking that we have *Weight* but when gravity discovered, you knew that there is actually no weight exists. If you keep going further, you will reach to a point where everything will become null and void.

When you dream, you don't think for a second that its a fake. You live that and experience it like Live. Same way in regression, you live it you feel it and you think of it as your own being. But actually you were connected to the *Infinite* collective memory (subconsciousness) system.

You can accept it so deeply and consider it as your real life and make it as belief system.

[Naykid]

Yes Rayn, I understand Frank very well.

I can go beyond his explanation and explain how you recall it.

When you die, you leave you brain (memories, or whatever you call it) behind. People from ages have been explaining astral bodies. They say your body is made of 7 energy bodies (or may be more). If you use this system to understand it, it says your Emotional body is actually a body that contains your thoughts and other physical emotions you have experienced in this life.

Mind, thought or whatever you call it, I will name it a *Memories*. It's energy that can be connected with any *Living Brain*. These memories can be connected to any womb and give an impression of past life.

As far as Main source of energy or F4 is concerned, that is a collective consciousness and I will call it One Supreme consciousness. This whole world, universe, other dimensions are nothing but the collection of consciousness. From ages we have been thinking that we have *Weight* but when gravity discovered, you knew that there is actually no weight exists. If you keep going further, you will reach to a point where everything will become null and void.

When you dream, you don't think for a second that its a fake. You live that and experience it like Live. Same way in regression, you live it you feel it and you think of it as your own being. But actually you were connected to the *Infinite* collective memory (subconsciousness) system.

You can accept it so deeply and consider it as your real life and make it as belief system.

But how do you know all of this for sure?   And correct me if I'm wrong, isn't what you are saying.... a, "belief system" too?

So, you are saying, that my recalls are not past lives, but someone else' memories?  Are they memories of just single lives of individuals? 

[Stookie]

It's simple to me: our "true" selves exist outside of space and time, as time and space are for physical existence. Parts of our "true" self incarnate into space and time. But from the perspective of who/what we really are, there is no time and space so it can't take place sequentially. Everything is always happening and never happening at the same time.

But from our perspective within space and time, it has to happen sequentially. That's our perception of it from here, and our perception here is limited.

[Xanth]

It's simple to me: our "true" selves exist outside of space and time, as time and space are for physical existence. Parts of our "true" self incarnate into space and time. But from the perspective of who/what we really are, there is no time and space so it can't take place sequentially. Everything is always happening and never happening at the same time.

But from our perspective within space and time, it has to happen sequentially. That's our perception of it from here, and our perception here is limited.

I really couldn't have put it any simpler. 

~Ryan

[indian]

But how do you know all of this for sure?   And correct me if I'm wrong, isn't what you are saying.... a, "belief system" too?

So, you are saying, that my recalls are not past lives, but someone else' memories?  Are they memories of just single lives of individuals? 

Stookie described is really well.

I hate explaining things using classic system of astral bodies and all. But I need to give some reference to explain things better.

Do not listen what I say, experience it and you will know it. People have been explaining it from ages and it's all crap. Just go beyond and you will know it.

I don't know if your recall is someone else's memory or not, but one thing is sure that *It's not you*

[indian]

It's simple to me: our "true" selves exist outside of space and time, as time and space are for physical existence. Parts of our "true" self incarnate into space and time. But from the perspective of who/what we really are, there is no time and space so it can't take place sequentially. Everything is always happening and never happening at the same time.

But from our perspective within space and time, it has to happen sequentially. That's our perception of it from here, and our perception here is limited.

Very well explained, accept my applause.

[Naykid]

Stookie described is really well.

I hate explaining things using classic system of astral bodies and all. But I need to give some reference to explain things better.

Do not listen what I say, experience it and you will know it. People have been explaining it from ages and it's all crap. Just go beyond and you will know it.

I don't know if your recall is someone else's memory or not, but one thing is sure that *It's not you*

Well, I guess I'm going to have to live a lie, because it was me.  *shrugs*

[Xanth]

Stookie described is really well.

I hate explaining things using classic system of astral bodies and all. But I need to give some reference to explain things better.

Do not listen what I say, experience it and you will know it. People have been explaining it from ages and it's all crap. Just go beyond and you will know it.

I don't know if your recall is someone else's memory or not, but one thing is sure that *It's not you*

You're really making it sound like it's "your way or the highway" here.
Suffice to say, you don't know.

Please preface your posts with "In my opinion..." next time.

~Ryan 

[indian]

Please preface your posts with "In my opinion..." next time.

~Ryan 

Why don't you make a rule book, so that we all follow that?

[Xanth]

Why don't you make a rule book, so that we all follow that?

If it would stop people from misunderstanding each other, that'd be great... it's just not very feasible now, is it? 

My golden rule that I learned a while ago is to make it 100% clear to people that I'm not trying to change their opinion or force mine upon them.
I make it clear that I'm stating my beliefs, opinions or theories... so as people don't think I'm stating facts.

We all know that there aren't many "facts" when it comes to Astral Projection.

~Ryan

[indian]

It's not you in the sense that only *YOU* are you.
These other lives are simply other *YOUS* living out their lives in other Focus 1's in other dimensions.
But they're not REALLY you... you just share the same "whole".

Read your reply above. and tell me where have you quoted "in my opinion" ??

[Psilibus]

It's simple to me: our "true" selves exist outside of space and time, as time and space are for physical existence. Parts of our "true" self incarnate into space and time. But from the perspective of who/what we really are, there is no time and space so it can't take place sequentially. Everything is always happening and never happening at the same time.

But from our perspective within space and time, it has to happen sequentially. That's our perception of it from here, and our perception here is limited.

This was similar to what I was going to post but was beat to it. The finished product is in its creation. We are ALL the "Alpha and Omega". We are also all that comes in-between. If we were really "done" there would be no purpose. The "All" is never done. That would be purposeless and boring. Christian dogma. You can choose to see it as sequential or not. I do. My past and future lives complete me but I'm not done yet. There is an infinitesimal amount of "me" to go before I am ONE. Opinion of one individual will not work here. Opinion of FIFTY won't work either. There is too much history and knowledge which states to the contrary and it should not be ignored or discounted. Read up if you do not understand. I brought this up in a post some time ago. Read on the Ouroboros legend. This does not come from the speculation or experience of one individual.

Sorry but reincarnation and its implications are far too important to ignore. There are repercussions of ignoring this lesson - Karma.

[Xanth]

Read your reply above. and tell me where have you quoted "in my opinion" ??

No, you're 100% correct.  I didn't preface my statement, and I apologize. 
I edited my original post to reflect it.

I slip up from time to time.

I generally preface my posts... BUT, on occasion I leave it out if I feel it's not required.  Like, in that particular thread... the reincarnation one... I'm discussing a theory which the original poster and I already agree upon.  And yes, from time to time, I forget to myself

~Ryan

EDIT: Actually, I remember now why I didn't preface my original post.  I was correcting Saff's interpretation of Frank's theory.  I didn't have to preface it as I wasn't talking MY BELIEFS to him.