the thiaoouba prophecy

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Look under Spiritual Development in these forums under the topic "Abduction To The Ninth Planet". This has been discussed there some. Those of us that have read it would love to hear your input on it.

[McArthur]

I have seen this a few times before but never really read its contents because i didnt like the "Commercial Advertising" feel to it. But i just read the following page;

http://nujournal.net/choice.html

And now find it far more interesting. I think i'll download the free books. Thanks for the link.

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

Read both books back in the late nineties I think it was...   nice books both of them..  if thiaoouba prophecy is all truth..  well, that I am not so sure of....  but freedom of choice isn´t fiction so that one can not be "fake"...    
take care//Rikard



- Your focus determines your reality -

[bomohwkl]

I know it is hard to know whether Thiaoouba Prophency is a true story or not for beginner. However, it is important to read the freedom of choice. Then you will know how critical we are in the point of our history. The chakra shirts are interesting too. It seems that I have numberous OBE since wearing them (even those that happen automatically and unintentionally)

Jesus said, " Let's one seeks not stop seeking until one finds.When one finds, one will marvel and rule over all." This description fits well with the freedom of choice.

[kakkarot]

um, quick question bomohwkl, where did jesus say that?

~kakkarot

[Anonymous]

Be careful with the truth- Demons forge their own "knowledge" as close to it as possible in order to confuse people and turn them to darkness.

[travisltk]

I have read both books, liked them both, too.

[bomohwkl]

to:kakkarot

The saying is from The Gospel of Thomas by Marvin Meyer

[bomohwkl]

To: EnderWiggin and all....

You need to understand.Believing is not enough, you need to KNOW!
One very common belief among new-agers is that
"The earth is entering into higher dimension and by 'some way' we will exist in spirit form or the evils will be overthrown by light."

Really? Look widely! War, pollution, corruption, misinformation...you name it. Will aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions help us in a big way to save us from the disasters, stupidity and ignorance we created?

May the great spirit enlightens you.

[bomohwkl]

Check up this site

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/truecivilisation/

[Anonymous]

I haven't checked out that site just yet, but I will say that I don't believe that I know the truth. I believe there is one truth and that I know parts/fragments of this truth. And I don't think I'm alone. God/Allah/[your diety's name(s) here] alone know(s) the truth. When we know the truth, we shall become one with all in the universe. I will now proceed to check out that site.

[Anonymous]

Looks like it's "members only." Well, I'm out.

[bomohwkl]

the error has been corrected for the group.

[Anonymous]

bomohwkl

I think it's a nice vision. It could happen, and yes, our system is failing. But some things I believe must be left up to the Creator. Yes, it was the humans who made the great mess our world is today. But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess. He/she will not do it for us. It will be left up to us what happens. After all, we have free will and it is up to us, not the Creator, to fix this mess. However, creating communities will likely not work for two reasons:

(1) Evil balances and counteracts good by doing something evil when something good is done. For instance, you create these communities, and they are infiltrated by gangs and criminals of all sorts, as well as dishonest wealthy individuals who use their power to serve Mammon, etc.

(2) there is already so much evil in the world that, rather than run away from it, we must face it and fight it. Otherwise, it is going to keep infiltrating the good and causing more evil to occur. Evil is following good.

We will have to work VERY hard to bring mankind back to the ways of peace and love. We must stay together to do this. We can form organizations and all kinds of things. But they must be small. I once read a book (The Moon is a Harsh Mistress) which had a great idea in it about how to do this. We form cells of three. Each person from each cell knows one person from one other cell. That way, if once cell is brought down, the rest are not in danger. No one person can know everyone in the organization. The idea is that we have these cells all over the world (man this is starting to sound like a terrorist operation or something). Each cell has a boss. The cells are based in some sort of pyramid or heirarchy. Orders are given from the head of the organization to his two underlings, who give orders to their underlings, etc. until it gets down to everyone. The people within the cells do not know what cells their cell-mates are in. This way, security is preserved. What do you think? It sounds a lot more complicated than it really is. The idea is that we can go around setting good examples (by opening up recycling centers, healing centers, etc.) but without being infiltrated.

[bomohwkl]

To:EnderWiggin
But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess.
Even if the 'Creator' has shown us how to undo the mess, how many of us are capable of listening and how among them are willing to take actions? Your statement (1) is contradictory. Doesn't it mean by opening the recycling and healing centres invite evil? Where do you get the idea of "evil balances and counteracts good"? Is it a belief or is it a universal truth? Where the evil stem from? Isn't the statement (1) directly says that all the good effort is no use? I am very sure that believing the truthfulness of statement (1) greatly hampered the evolution of our intellect, consciousness and spirituality.


Why do the wealthy individuals want to infiltrate our communities? Why are the wealthy individuals so disturbed? We have no money and no rich material possession. Is it because we make other people to realize that it is possible to create communities using barter system? Would there any more puppets to serve them and make them wealthier if it works? Aren't we puppets for them at the moment? Do you want to see it forever?

According to Tom,
"Even the most dictatorial and narrow-minded leader cannot do anything if all people in his society REFUSE to listen to him, use their intelligence and exercise their Freedom of Choice.
Unfortunately on Earth people behave like sheep in a flock, not like intelligent individuals. (in case you don't know, a flock of sheep can be easily manipulated by a barking dog that runs around them. Sheep become scared of the dog and hold together, even if the dog leads them to slaughter. They cannot imagine that if they disregarded the barking and kept eating the grass they would be much better off...).
The essence of every totalitarian regime is to eliminate/ridicule/restrain thinking individuals and scare the rest to behave like a flock of sheep. Can you determine where it all leads?"

Do you see the parallelism?

Your statement (2) is equally dangerous.
Do you have any idea where are the evils come from?
I totally agree that it is VERY hard to bring mankind back to the ways of peace and love. Do you know why? It is not because evil follows good. Firstly we have no idea why we want peace and why we want love. Secondly, and most importantly,stupidity and ignorance are widespread. Earth people behave like a flock of sheep. I just wonder how much more blind and illogical people on Earth can get.
It is VERY IMPORTANT to find out by looking inside yourself to find out the reasons you adopt the two statements so that mistake like can be rectified. I was once like you and I know.
My idea is setting up small communities around the world which each acting independently with occasionally meeting up for discussion and sharing wisdom.

[Anonymous]

My statement about the balance of evil and good was stating that evil finds a way to burst your bubble. I did not mean that for every good thing there is an evil thing that happens as well.

"But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess.
Even if the 'Creator' has shown us how to undo the mess, how many of us are capable of listening and how among them are willing to take actions?"

We are all capable, because we are all equal. But we must work hard. It's true that many people are ignorant, lazy, easily swayed, etc. but there are a few good ones out there. One person can make a great difference if they apply themselves properly.

"Your statement (1) is contradictory. Doesn't it mean by opening the recycling and healing centres invite evil?"

Yes, they may invite people who wish knowingly or unknowingly to serve evil, but what are they going to do about it? It's like sanctuary. Evil can enter, but it can't do anything. There are extremely severe consequences for fighting on hallowed grounds, and they take place immediately. Put it this way- it would not be worth it even for the one carrying out the evil will. We would make the grounds of our healing centers holy- maybe we could offer our services to churches. Keep in mind that these recycling centers and healing centers are not a way to combat evil, just a way to help the good. To combat evil, we must rid ourselves of all desire to fight, and we must find out what influences people the greatest- and why. We must then apply ourselves to this. If we can offer people a better reason to be under our influence, then they will want to do good. The human mind is quite malleable.

"Where do you get the idea of "evil balances and counteracts good"? Is it a belief or is it a universal truth? Where the evil stem from? Isn't the statement (1) directly says that all the good effort is no use?"

How do you infer that I meant that good effort is of no use? I never said evil ALWAYS succeeds in its attempts to thwart the actions of the good. In fact, it is defeated much of the time. The difference between the winner and the loser of every fight I have ever witnessed or been part of is the maintainence of calmness. The winner manages to stay cool throughout the fight. (in case you're wondering, the statement in my last post is a belief of mine, it is not stated in the bible or anywhere else, as far as I know. I believe that good WILL succeed.) Maybe we're not heading into an age of enlightenment, but it will succeed in the end, for the simple reason that God/Allah, whatever you want to call the Creator, created the Universe, and everything in it. Even Satan. Satan is NOT God's equivalent. He was but an angel cast out of heaven). He is clever, treaterous, conniving, evil (obviously), and every weakness of mankind. He will never spiritually advance.

"I am very sure that believing the truthfulness of statement (1) greatly hampered the evolution of our intellect, consciousness and spirituality."

I'm not so clear on the meaning of this sentence, could you please explain?

Evil comes from the desires within us due to our weaknesses. Why do people act like sheep? Laziness. It's easier to be ignorant and let others run your life than it is to stand up and take charge of things. Our society promotes laziness, though they claim Americans are so hard-working (some are, there are always exceptions to everything). We are hard-working in general, but we are also very lazy in the way that we jump into the cookie-cutter molds which society has created for us in order to become the "typical success story." Why do you think people go to college? Money. Money (lots of it), in the US, equals success. So people choose this life because they don't want to think for themselves.

I admit, my wording was quite off on that last post. I was tired. I did not mean to imply any of the things you have stated. The Creator (meaning God, Allah, whoever you believe in) works through us. We are the hands. We have FREE WILL. Meaning we can exercise it to do good things. Or bad. But the most important thing to understand is the consequences. interfering with the free will of another person in any way has serious karmic consequences. This is why Satan was cast into hell. He wishes to take it away from us with the illusions he places before us (which closely resemble the truth, I might add).

p.s. would you please explain how my statement was dangerous, contradictory, and stiffling to the advancement of the spirit and one's intelligence?

I don't think setting up these communities is going to solve anything really. How and where are you going to set them up, and how long will they remain the way that is desired until people with bad intentions move there? No matter what system you use, there is always someone waiting to take advantage of it. Some people in our country spend so much time looking for loopholes in tax payment so they don't have to pay taxes. There are many who take advantage of welfare. There are also a lot of people who believe that the rich, though they do pay most of the taxes in this country, should not pay certain taxes. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just telling you that you should think this out more carefully, or, please explain how it is that you are planning on keeping these communities to be good. I happen to come from a very good community, where people get along and are quite kind and friendly. However, I got word today that there was supposed to be a big fight between the Brazilian students of my high school and the rest of the kids. They claimed the Brazilians walked around like they own the school. But who's to say? I wasn't there and I'm glad I wasn't. Also, drug use in my community has increased, as well as under-age drinking. My community is also home to a lot of wealthy people in the summer who tell you to get off 'their' beach. And the population is growing, along with the traffic and rising general tension. In case you're wondering, I live on a small island in the Northeast US. You have to take a boat or plane there- there is no bridge connecting it to the mainland. This place is fairly isolated, but is a large tourist attraction in the summer. I've stared ignorance straight in the face quite a few times. Some of the questions people ask are just so unbelievably idiotic. In the summer, it's quite crowded, but in the winter, there aren't many people who live there year-round, like I did/do (well, if you don't count the fact that I'm living at college, which is NOT on the island) with my parents.

Like I said before, this was once a very pleasant place to live (no corporations such as Wal-Mart or McDonnalds, no big shopping malls, etc., LOTS of nature everywhere), with people who all shared a special mentality and bond with one another, who have had good morals. You could at one time, have known everyone on the island had you lived there. Now it is changing, and has been within the past 5 or so years. There are new faces (which is not something I or anyone else would be against- we welcome strangers), new challenges, and something (some sort of force?) which seeks to invade. So I am wondering, if 10,000 people cannot stop the change, how are you planning on stopping it in your communities in a way that's fair to all? I do not doubt you, but I am definitely curious. There are a lot of things you haven't explained.

p.s. you said: "Will aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions help us in a big way to save us from the disasters, stupidity and ignorance we created?"

You never know. The great spirit(s) work(s) in strange ways... Just don't think it can't happen, however unlikely. Don't depend on it either, though. It is dangerous for one to mettle with their belief system if they do not know what they are doing. I do not know the truth. Most people don't. Something tells me, however, that most people will be going to heaven when the time comes for the world to end. Can you really blame people for believing the things they do? Look at what's around them. They are constantly encouraged, from the day they are born, to act like sheep. What have we been taught in school? Follow orders, obey the teacher, we have to take take these classes and have certain knowledged forced upon us. Even in the bible there are quotes which annoy me ("the lord is my shepherd," for instance) because, what are we? It is true that we act like sheep. However, it is when we go off on our own that we truly learn, so long as we keep returning in order to have a point of reference for comparison.

Good luck with your communities. I hope that you and they are divinely protected. If you have any more questions about my post, I'd be happy to answer them. I can word things strangely sometimes, and often my sentences do not have good flow to them.

[bomohwkl]

It is very obvious from your analysis that people don`t need any help from an evil being. Most of them manage to be evil all by themselves. So-called "evil" is actually created by people who CHOOSE to harm and take advantage of others. In extreme cases we have totalitarian regimes, slavery, concentration camps and the inquisition. All "evil" activities are done by PEOPLE. Most people will attribute Hilter an evil.
Hitler could ONLY hurt so many people, because he obtained a TOTAL support from the FLOCK. People in Germany had totally surrendered their intellect and integrity and AGREED to act as puppets of the "Reich" rather than as human beings.
So do you have any idea to get rid of all evils?
Even the communities are destroyed by "evil", this allow those who THINK what actually has gone wrong with the society, SOWING seeds in the people mind. Jesus knew that he would be crucified by the "evil". But, Jesus weren't hampered in carried out his humble duties as his intention was to sow seeds into people minds. However, his message was greatly distorted as time passed.
1) Evil balances the good.
According your meaning, whatever good things we do, there will be 'evil' counterparts lurking around. This also says that creating a world where people are loving, spiritual and peaceful are IMPOSSIBLE? For example, 100 people who are 'good' and 100 people who are 'evil'? There is no point turning the 'evil' into 'good'? Contrast in needed to learn what is 'good' and what is 'evil' You will never understand happiness without sadness. If you feel sad once, you know what is happiness. On earth, it looks like "evil balances good". It is just a contrast for people to learn. But most people cannot even differentiate what are 'good' and 'evil'. Debates whether something is justified or not always continues.  Accepting the idea that 'evil balances good' hampers us from looking at the motive of the 'Creator' put them in place. By learning the reasons we are in such a bad shape, we can strike forward for a better future. The so called 'negative balances positive' is just a CONTRAST for human beings to learn. Until we learned, there will be no progress. Creating all 'positives' are POSSIBLE.

[bomohwkl]

There are new faces (which is not something I or anyone else would be against- we welcome strangers), new challenges, and something (some sort of force?) which seeks to invade.

Your community is in the process of learning something important. Remember the contrast?

Aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions will NEVER help us in a big way to save us from the disasters. Why?
The reason is psychology. We would then passively have allowed ourselves to be helped and that would adversely affect our LEARNING. Universal law is well-established that if you make a mistake, you pay the penalty –immediately in ten years time or ten centuries, but errors must be paid. Does it sound like 'Karmic law' ? The aliens and spiritual guides from 'higher dimensions' are formally forbidden to 'serve the meal on a plate'.

[Anonymous]

"Aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions will NEVER help us in a big way to save us from the disasters. Why?
The reason is [human] psychology. *Well, that's part of it.* We would then passively have allowed ourselves to be helped and that would adversely affect our LEARNING. Universal law is well-established that if you make a mistake, you pay the penalty –immediately in ten years time or ten centuries, but errors must *and WILL* be paid. Does it sound like 'Karmic law' ? The aliens and spiritual guides from 'higher dimensions' are formally forbidden to 'serve the meal on a plate'."

Their help would also interfere with our free will, and they would suffer the karmic consequences. The point of having free will is to be able to spiritually advance.

What worries me about my community is that I still find that there is sheep mentality there. People get up and go to work, unquestioningly. I am in school and I question why I am here. I will not use the knowledge that I have acquired to go out and get a job that already exists, one that a person has already labeled. Wherever there is sheep mentality, there will be evil that tries to gain the support of the flock (as well as good). What must be done? People must be taught to think for themselves. What is school? It is a social environment in which people are pressured by their peers to act or appear a certain way in order to "fit in," or be accepted by others. Young people, for the most part, are naturally dependent on others due to their lack of experience and their fears. Some people are rebels, though. THey choose not to be part of the majority.

What influences people the most in this country and in many others? Corporations. It seems that the Middle Eastern region is unique in the way that they appear to be more influenced by their religion than anything else. Specifically, Islam. It is being used to brainwash mothers into giving up their children so that they may one day become the suicide-bombers you hear about on the news. The mothers beileve it is for a good purpose. But what they don't seem to realize is that the radical fundamentalists take their religion, slice it up any way they want, and then take only some parts of it to form a very distorted version of what was once a good religion before they mutilated it. This way, they can "justify" their actions. Those are countries that have nothing to lose. So you could see why it might be easy for a person to blow themselves up in a crowd of innocent people. There is nothing they haven't already lost.

Religion also influences people in this country. Some Right-Winged "Christian" republicans (and sometimes democrats) use distorted Christianity to influence people. Why does it work? Because they are clever and manipulative. A lot of people don't even know what real Christianity is anymore.

How will people learn to think independently? Well, they have anti-drug and anti-tobacco and drunk-driving ads. Why not ads that tell people to think for themselves? It's worth a shot.

I have always believed that no matter what religion a person is, the path of that religion has an equal chance of spiritual ascention as any other religion. Humans are neither good nor evil. They choose which path they want to take in life. What can we do to teach people about the consequences of each path so that they may make their own decision? We cannot force people onto the path of good- they must choose it for themselves, lest we suffer the consequences of interfering with their free will.

[bomohwkl]

"A school is a social environment in which people are pressured by their peers to act or appear a certain way in order to "fit in," or be accepted by others."
But, most importantly, it is a place where we LEARN to write, speak, listen, read, think and other important social skills. I don't think it is a good idea for a child to skip school. You can try and see what are the consequences.


No one can influence us except we allowing others to influence us. We have to take responsibilities to carefully and logically scrutinize any information presented to us. Institutions like churches, media, corporations and etc bombard us with information non-stop.
By brainwashing, they successfully control your thoughts and actions even without you knowing! We allow ourselves to be influence by this information and we are to blame. How do we know whether the information is distorted, propaganda or simply to induce fear among people?? (Read the Freedom of Choice). Clustering our mind with such information cripples our understanding of the purpose of the universe. By promoting the fear of God, people just accept what the priests tell them without questioning. Hence, no understanding of God is attained. Presently, we are in the critical point of history where our mind is so polluted that our very own existence and society at whole are at stake!
An advertisement to encourage people to think of themselves is a good idea. The advertisement should be capable to inspire/teach/tease people to think.I will pass the idea around.

You seem to make a very good progress.

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry if I implied that school should be done away with entirely- it shoudn't. I just meant that school, even with all of the important things it teaches us, is a place where we learn to think like sheep.

My idea about advertising is a perfect example of how evil will try to thwart our efforts to make people aware. I've seen how the devil plans to take the world into darkness. He's using good people with good intentions to do his work, by making them work for corporations because they cannot find another job. But he is also using others who work for the world's governments to instill fear in people. The corporations are the tool for distraction, the governments for fear. Fear and distraction are his methods. Corporations to distract with bright, shiny new things, meaningless busywork, etc. and a government to instill fear in individuals who wish to think independently by persecuting them and imprisoning them, even killing them. And others are afraid to stop them. The corporations produce the physical things for the government to carry out their plans of war, punishment, etc.

Not all the things the governments do are bad- Many provide police for protection, food for children at school, and have many different agencies to deal with many different issues; however, I have been a big fan of the Buddhist concept of self-government: everyone is responsible for him/herself and the karmic consequences of their actions. If a person wants to go around killing, raping, robbing, that's their business, but someone might do something about them. Or, if a person wants to take in a stranger from the street and feed them, that is also their decision. If a person wants to live in the woods in a hut, it is also their decision. I don't see a need for a government for the people who realize that they are responsible for themselves. I am an anarchist, but I do not believe in chaos and obscurity.

I know people do not think like this. Most people would probably steal from and hurt each other. This is due to the ignorance of people. Were people always this ignorant? I don't know. But I do know that Jesus's teachings were misunderstood. I am beginning to understand things which I could not explain with words. I stay away from most people because I do not want their influence upon me, when I am making progress. More than 99% of people I do not trust. Not because I think they are bad, but because I know they do not see what I see. My second sight is being developed, I think. The other day in my kung fu class, we had to spin around really fast in order to make ourselves as dizzy as possible, and then stop instantly without falling. The idea was to overcome the dizzyness. While I was spinning, I saw what looked like rain. But we were inside, and I did not feel wetness. So I was either hallucinating or I saw something that others did not. Nobody else reported seeing it.

The internet is the safest way for me to talk to others. I often say nothing when around others, for two reasons- (1) I cannot think of anything to say that is relevant to anything that is really important that they could understand, and (2) if I told them some of the things I have seen, they would think I was crazy. It is hard for me to have "normal" mundane conversation with others, only because it frustrates me when I find a conversation meaningless. To me it's a waste of my brain and my time. Time I cannot regain. My brain, in future decades, could probably be grown back.

By the way, what do you think of all the cloning research that has been done? It bothers me that they may have cloned a human. That human clone will likely be ridiculed, condemned, and ostracized by many religious cults and sects. Mankind is not emotionally ready to deal with such an issue.

[bomohwkl]

Cloning whether human or not, is a process of LEARNING the COMPLEXITY yet PREFECTLY designed life. It is harder to clone human being than plants. However, we know that there is a risk cultivating plants having the same genes. If a micro-organism finds out the plant's weakness, the entire cultivation is destroyed simply because the plant cannot 'help one another' as they are identical.
Other problems relating human cloning are hard to predict until it is tried.
Concerning views of people about human cloning:
Why does a human clone likely be ridiculed? Why does mankind not ready to emotionally deal with human cloning? The answer is within you.

[bomohwkl]

Those who know the Purpose of the Universe and exercise their intellects and Freedom of Choice will not fear.(even death.)

The Gospel of Thomas (by Marvin Meyer) wrote

These are the hidden sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Judas Thomas the Twin recorded.
1. And he said," Whoever discovers the intrepretation of these sayings will not taste death."

That's so true.

2. Jesus said," Let one who seeks not stop seking until one finds. When one finds, one will be troubled. When when is troubled, one will marvel and rule over all."

You might experience (2)

For some obvious reasons, the Church has banned the book since its discovery.

[Anonymous]

The vast majority of people ARE ready to deal with a clone, I think. But there are groups out there such as the kkk and al quida who would condemn the clone because it was not made naturally. What they seem to not understand is that it's not the clone's fault for being made. It was a soul called forth to serve some purpose. Radical christian groups might refer to a human clone as the child of satan. Remember, I am not talking about ALL humans here. There are not many who think this way, but it's enough to be a problem. Everyone has a person who would kill them if they had the chance. I'm sure there are people who probably want to kill me, though I don't know why. The terrorists, for instance, because I'm an American. This does not stop me from being an American, however. They do not strike fear or terror within me. Even if they managed to kidnap me, I might be afraid, but I would not change my beliefs for them.

What alarms me about human cloning is not the cloning itself, but the misuse of the cloning technology by military groups and terrorist groups (who would use it to breed super-soldiers if they don't already). The creation of artificial lifeforms as well. This would cause great imbalance in the ecosystem.

[Anonymous]

I had a very strange dream a few nights ago. I was in the basement of an abandoned house, which had not been entered for centuries. There was an omnipresent evil. It was dark and there were strange noises and things lurking in the shadows. I was not alone. Golem (from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings) was beside me and was pointing to the end of a hall of pillars, at what appeared to be nothing at all. He then went on to explain to me that what he was pointing at was fear itself. I was puzzled for a moment, and then a saying popped into myh head: "There is nothing to fear but fear itself." I realized then that fear was a discarnate. I turned and fled.