Help for a beginer, how do you dreamwalk?

[Naykid]

I'm sorry ladies...
Can we just agree to disagree and leave it at that, please?

And Noy... Jerry can go find his own forums. 

Absolutely, because I see you will not recognize your own actions and please refrain from insulting me in the future.

[personalreality]

Just in case no one told you all today, I love you all.

Thanks for providing a welcoming community for me and so many others to come share their experiences, concerns, successes, etc. 

   

[catmeow]

In a lot of Frank's earlier posts, he is very mystical. He talks about chakras and energy and a lot of it sounds fairly new-age. Later, as Robert Bruce started becoming more popular and there was much more being spoken of in regards to energy work and chakras on the forum, is when Frank suddenly change his tune. While he acknowledged that there are chakras and they have certain functions, he didn't want to talk about them anymore and regarded them as mystical jibberjabber. I think it's more than possible that he wanted to offer something different than everyone else, he didn't want to be like Bruce and wanted his own teachings that were very different, and ended up telling everyone that what Bruce was teaching was wrong, when I'm not sure that was his real belief on a lot of the matters. In his later days if you asked him about chakras he would blow it off as new-age nonsense. But I KNOW he knew they were fact.

I didn't come around until the end of Frank's time, and his phasing techniques are good stuff, but I'm unsure of all his intentions, especially regarding energy work, as that was Bruce's forte. I still do a lot of energy work and am sure there is something to it. Frank called it a waste.

Suspicious indeed!  Truth is truth, it doesn't change with the times.

[Stookie]

The difference is that she laughed at people's opinions/beliefs and flat out called them wrong.
I believe I've never seen anything to that degree in the 2000+ posts of his on the forums... nor those in the moderators section either.
I obviously can't speak about personal PM's.
In the end, we'll just have to agree to disagree about it.

Selea is also always welcome to post.
The choice is hers to not stop posting... I enjoyed a good chunk of what she had to say.

Yeah, she was sooooo welcomed here. I'm just saying, you're looking from the other side of the fence now. Selea was as legit as Frank. I'm not upset (but I would like selea to be around more), just pointing out perspectives.

It was very clear that he started off a bit more accepting of the mystical-ways than he was in the end.  I see that as personal growth, really.
In one instance back in 2002 - 03 he referred to the astral as a the "training grounds"... then you can see him move away from it as he progressed beyond thinking it was a mere training ground and realized what it actually was.
And the chakra thing as well that you mention, Stookie.

Yes, you can see personal change, but there is a post where he flat out states that he's not going to talk about chakras anymore (no patience to find it now), where the week before he was, and this was after Bruce had taken over the energy section. From the way he was talking before this, he was doing things with his chakras, and even notes of it later by calling them "energy centers", but refused to make mention of it later in any way that was similar to Bruce. I'm not trying to knock Frank, but it does put him back on earth, or at least seem like a real human being with an ego rather than "Master of Phasing".

[Naykid]

We are wasting our breath.  Frank is back.  For fcks sake.   

[Xanth]

Yes, you can see personal change, but there is a post where he flat out states that he's not going to talk about chakras anymore (no patience to find it now), where the week before he was, and this was after Bruce had taken over the energy section. From the way he was talking before this, he was doing things with his chakras, and even notes of it later by calling them "energy centers", but refused to make mention of it later in any way that was similar to Bruce. I'm not trying to knock Frank, but it does put him back on earth, or at least seem like a real human being with an ego rather than "Master of Phasing".

I'm very confused now Stookie... are you trying to say that people around here consider him a "god"? ...and that he was something MORE than 'just' human? 
Cause that's just messed up.  

And Nay, I've been called much worse...

[Naykid]

I can try harder if you like. 

I have a vague memory of Frank talking about moving to Canada, he had the money after taking money for his news letters.  You live in Canada don't you? 

[personalreality]

that's an awesome smiley.

i guess you can't really lock a sticky can you ryan?

[Xanth]

that's an awesome smiley.

I agree. 

i guess you can't really lock a sticky can you ryan?

I can.

[catmeow]

I guess you can't really lock a sticky can you ryan?

I can.

Then do it and show your true colours!

Btw thanks for the sex change operation, apparently it was a complete success!

I'm sorry ladies...
Can we just agree to disagree and leave it at that, please?

1. Offensive to women
2. I am not a woman

A master class in poor interpersonal skills ... and ... another wrong assumption on your part Xanth... !

Nice work!

[Naykid]

that's an awesome smiley.

i guess you can't really lock a sticky can you ryan?

Yes, I love my smilies.  But why lock the topic, am I getting warm?

[Xanth]

... it was an honest mistake.  The kittens threw me off.
My apologies, please.

When I had the kitten-frog avatar, people often made the same mistake with me.
It's "half" of the reason I decided to change it.  

[catmeow]

... it was an honest mistake.  The kittens threw me off.
My apologies, please.

When I had the kitten-frog avatar, people often made the same mistake with me.
It's "half" of the reason I decided to change it.  

Honest apology well accepted, but please, there is a lesson in there somewhere.

[personalreality]

Yes, I love my smilies.  But why lock the topic, am I getting warm?

no, this thread has just become a joke.  a whole page of you and ryan arguing.

and it's too bad because this is a permanent thread, you can't really lock it as it has valuable information in it.

[Naykid]

Where's the LOVE, PR? 

I agree this thread is now valuable, because it gives a good example of when someones ego has taken a dive off a very high cliff.  I hope all that read this realize that you, yourself is the best teacher you can have.  An exchange of ideas and experiences is what it's all about, not the ramming of it down ones throat nor the ridicule when a different mindset comes to light.

Btw, of course Ryan isn't Frank, I was making a point.  I know Frank's fall off that trillion mile high pedestal had to hurt like hell and I'm hoping Ryan doesn't rush to follow him over.

[Xanth]

To keep the Lucid Dream conversion thread intact and not detract from it, I split the entire new section of this thread out into it's own and gave it Trish's original subject name.  It, literally, has nothing to do with Lucid Dream conversions.

With that said... you may continue Nay.  

[personalreality]

\o/!

[Stookie]

Frank was/is fallible

[Xanth]

Frank was/is fallible

Definitely.  100%.
I'm unsure why anyone would have thought contrary. 

[Naykid]

Frank was/is fallible

[Naykid]

Definitely.  100%.
I'm unsure why anyone would have thought contrary. 

[Xanth]

Is it not a valid question?

I've never once postulated, or even considered, that the man was anything more than... well... a MAN.  A human being.

I'd love to know where and when this 'god' label started being tagged onto Frank.

[catmeow]

I've never once postulated, or even considered, that the man was anything more than... well... a MAN.  A human being.

I'd love to know where and when this 'god' label started being tagged onto Frank.

Oh, this is just splitting hairs and then some.  It's silly.  Xanth, why are you arguing about the semantics of labels such as "God", "worship" and  "infallible".  As used here, these are terms of admiration.   Many people admire Frank.  Stookie is trying to open a dialogue.  You know that.  You so absolutely know that.  But this endless batting off of the issue (of Frank's "worthiness"), by arguing semantics is just wasting everyone's time, it's annoying and it does you no credit.

Why not just admit he is a hero of yours?  Instead of arguing semantics?  Simple.

[personalreality]

I can say that from conversing with ryan in the chat room, he's not as starry eyed as you think or what to make him seem.

True, Xanth likes Frank's work (not Frank, he didn't know frank) and he may be a little bit of a zealot, but honestly, who isn't when they find something (anything) that they feel really resonates with them? 

When it all comes down to it, why do you all really care if he seemingly "adores" frank? 

Does your perception of another person's life really constitute hijacking a new member's thread and turning into something that has nothing to do with the original post? 

And ryan, you get defensive and go crazy.  I'd like to think I know you a little bit better than the average forum member and you're really not all crazy defensive like this in conversation on the chat room.  So I don't know, just ignore it.  It's your personal feelings and no one can ever share them, so why try to defend something that no one can truthfully object to? 

Sorry, this kind of isn't my business.  I'm a bit nosy, my bad.

[Naykid]

Does your perception of another person's life really constitute hijacking a new member's thread and turning into something that has nothing to do with the original post? 

we already did this.

either you're full of crap or you don't know forum etiquette.

don't post the same thing more than once in different forums.