Having trouble astral projecting while Ill

[Losh Wi Thang]

Where has the rest of my thread gone?

In the latter pages of my topic, I explained some important things about someone helping me with astral projection finding an interdimensional splice (hole) within my aura.

[Xanth]

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/server_issues-t31927.0.html

There were server issues a few weeks ago... the forum was rolled back to how it was June 21st.
We lost 2 months worth of posts.

[Losh Wi Thang]

Oh, i see. Thanks for the information.

Damn.

[Losh Wi Thang]

Basically, as I posted before in my thread before the forums went down, about my companions encounters when he intended to help me in astral projection; he found a gathering of 5 spirits within my aura (spirits related to me somehow) who are trying to do what they can to help me.

My companion noted that the most significant one which he was drawn to was an oldly dressed spirit 'not from this era', who wore a tophat. When my companion tried to enter my aura, he wasn't able to penetrate it, as if it acts as some kind of forcefield or protection. When he tried to enter it, the oldly dressed man with the tophat approached him, and told him that he wouldn't be able to enter unless I gave a signal out (which i unfortunately do not know how to do) and that, if he does get in, that he needs to be careful for his own safety, as he said there is a multi dimensional or inter dimensional hole/rift in my aura, which is causing my illness.

This is the conversation transpired over MSN.

Asmodean says:
*the compelx is in its a muiltidiemensional abyss almost like a hole

Asmodean says:
*i spoke to the man in the hat
*and it is more complex
*than i thought
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*Is it because of my illness
*which makes it complex?
Asmodean says:
*havto be a little careful
*he advised me
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*oh, i see
*hold on, i'm trying to gather my thoughts
Asmodean says:
*for my own self
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*for your own self?
*what could happen to you?
Asmodean says:
*the compelx is in its a muiltidiemensional abyss almost like a hole
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*but hold on
*i'm trying to keep up with what you're saying
*so is this me?
Asmodean says:
*your illness
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*this multidemnsional hole?
Asmodean says:
*yes
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*it's my illness which is affecting my ability to grasp this
*oh
Asmodean says:
*your illness is just a symptom
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*it's my illness?
Asmodean says:
*its not even the main thing
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*wait
Asmodean says:
*no
*its just a symptom in this diemension
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*i am confused
*ehh
*wait
Asmodean says:
*your illness
*is but a symptom
*of a greater interdiemensional issue
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*So this multidimensional hole is my illness?
*Then i was right in saying to my doctor
*that this is caused by something else
*but wtf
*How the hell did this happen?
Asmodean says:
*no such thing as right just opinion
*ask the man in the hat
*this what he told me
*i dont really know dude
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*i wish  i could
*but how did this multimensional hole occur?
Asmodean says:
*its interesting though
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*Well
Asmodean says:
*he is quite powerful this man
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*it's not really due to the consequences
Asmodean says:
*it seems
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
*Who is he?
*Because from your description
*i can't relate to him
Asmodean says:
*you tell me
*i dont know him
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*i really don't know who he is
Asmodean says:
*not t much to do with me
*or any connections spiritual i have
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*But what did he explain exactly
Asmodean says:
*to my ancestors
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
*from the beginning
Asmodean says:
*i already told u
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*word for word i mean
Asmodean says:
*it doesnt go in words
*its feelings
*aswell
*pictures
*emotions
*colours
*best i can do is translate a little of my experience
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
*Is that a better way of explaining things then?
*But what could happen to you
*if you mess up
*i mean
*you said you were in danger
*Could my illness somehow affect you?
*or be transferred to you in a small proportion?
*if so, how are the spirits gathered near me staying safe?
*are you there?
Asmodean says:
*here
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*welcome back
Asmodean says:
*my safety is my own concern as is your own safety
*i am just cooking as i said
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*Allright
*I know, but i just wanted to know how this could affect you or endanger you

- Then later on, the conversation continued -

Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*but abouit what you found in astral projection
*can you explain again what you found?
Asmodean says:
*difficult
*no real words
*in nglish
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*Because i don't know what you mean by multidimensional hole
*or i can't remember
*what you explained
Asmodean says:
*its not like we sit down and have tea and cake
*and a conversation
*yeah
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*or what did the tophat spirit say to you?
Asmodean says:
*like that
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*or explain
Asmodean says:
*careful
*for myself
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*yes
Asmodean says:
*as i said b4
*the illness is a symptom int his diemension of an interdiemensional issue
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*this? or his?
Asmodean says:
*this
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*allright
*So what is that interdimensional/multidimensional hole?
*how the hell did it get there?
Asmodean says:
*lol i have no idea
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*he didn't say/
Asmodean says:
*we never got into anyhting like that
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*i thought maybe
Asmodean says:
*not at all
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*he would have told you more
*because you could explain it to me
Asmodean says:
*inverted
*if i could say anyhting really
*like a inverted perceptional hole
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*the whole was 'inverted'?
Asmodean says:
*or reality hole
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*oh, i see
Asmodean says:
*kinda
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*that makes sense to me
*i think
Asmodean says:
*like a diemensional splice
*in a way
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*dimensional splice?
Asmodean says:
*small abnomally
*not entirly uncommon
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*huh
Asmodean says:
*but uncommon for a being to be in one
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*wait
*i am trying to understand what you mean
*small anomoly*
*you mean?
Asmodean says:
*ye
*in the eidos diemension lvl 2/3 i would  say
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*also i don't know what a splice is
*like
*i don't know how to visualise it
Asmodean says:
*split
*maybe
*but still joined
*between 2 diemensional layers
*a splice
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
Asmodean says:
*little hole
*anomoly
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*because i am trying to explain this
*on the astral pulse
*to see if anyone can help me
Asmodean says:
*at the spot
Ice-Lizard - Help - Me says:
*hmm
Asmodean says:
*sure

[Losh Wi Thang]

Had to write the rest of this post in a seperate post, since the message window was playing up for some reason.

Would anybody know about a multi dimensional hole or how somebody could help me? The offer still stands for someone to get into astral projection to see if they can find out anything with what's going on around my spiritual 'person'.

[Losh Wi Thang]

I find it extremely worrying that nobody here knows about anything, anything to do with interdimensional holes or how to correct them when trapped in the aura of a spirit. That must mean that I am in some considerable danger.

I feel very uncomfortable asking this here, but due to the state/nature of my illness, I think that I need to ask here for some kind of urgent assistance from the perspective of the ethereal planes.

I have asked two of my friends, who are trying their best to support me to help me out through astral projection, they have had remarkably positive results, and one of them got into it totally by accident for four hours and didn't know he got into it until he came out of it and suiddenly realized that he wasn't having a conversation with me physically, although he was responding to my thoughts, in the time I was imagining having a conversation with him and him recalling everything I thought about in sequence. He has been rather lucky having had such good results with it so far, I think it's because, adding to a number of different things he has described to me, he seems very attuned to the other dimensions + ESP stuff which he didn't know what they were until I explained it to him. Although, none of them have fully gotten into it yet, only partially or while unaware.

However, I am in need of urgent help; and my friends haven't been able to do it yet unfortunately, so I have no alternative than to ask here, given that this is a domain of experienced astral projectors. I find myself screaming constantly because that's the only appropriate thing that I can do.

[Xanth]

Losh,

It's painfully clear that you have mental issues that need to be addressed before you're able to project consciously.

You might want to go talk to a professional, because nobody here is qualified to help you.

Sorry...

[personalreality]

First of all, I have tried to help, but I really have no idea at all what you're talking about.

Whatever your perceived problem is with inter-dimensional holes, it's a metaphor for something in your mind.  Objectively speaking, I don't really know what an inter-dimensional hole is or how it's effecting you.  If you just need an energy body repair, then you could seek the help of a shamanic healer, that's what they do, recover pieces of a damaged energy body.  But again, in my opinion, your energy body is a metaphorical representation of your psychological state.  I would suggest determining what this hole is supposed to represent.

You are also quite capable of healing yourself without the need to project your full awareness into the astral.  Visualization can be just as effective in astral healing. 

[Losh Wi Thang]

Losh,

It's painfully clear that you have mental issues that need to be addressed before you're able to project consciously.

You might want to go talk to a professional, because nobody here is qualified to help you.

Sorry...

As you may well know, that I'm not particularly trustworthy of doctors or, and as verified by experiences, trust somebody of that one track caliber with the proportions of my illness. Every time I have been to a 'professional' it has just made the situation worse because they refuse to see it as anything which isn't easy to refer to from a diagnostic handbook.

They aren't regarded as 'bad doctors' by their institutions, they are trained to think/practice as if all disorders/problems strictly come from the diagnostic handbook. Anything else I'm sure would need 10 years of 'scientific study', after probably a straining campaign of persuasion. I'm sure I would be dead by then.

Basically, I have been trying to encourage my friends to get into it because they are more likely to understand me. Additionally, there are spirits in the astral who are trying to support me (grandparents + ancestors). With them they are a lot more likely to get a grip of understanding over it more than any professional I've been to who somehow believes his basic training constitutes as a real understanding of the mind/people. I really don't agree with their knowledge base/institution because it just seems to be far too rudimentary, out of touch with reality and one track to help anybody with real problems.

I was keen to try regression therapy at first (if you know what that is), that has helped thousands of people with a rainbow of problems, with miraculous results. With regression therapy (Yes, like past life regression, but this is for current life) you are taken back in your mind, in the 'state' it was back to an earlier time to alleviate, or to completely erase a certain problem. This is done by from when shifted back to that time and reliving the experience, changing the perspective of the problem; so that it no longer is a problem (Helping you perceive something clearly and truthfully to understand how to deal with it). Although I couldn't go for that, since my doctor refused to endorse it since the practice isn't 'scientifically proven' over here yet.

Conceivably there is no way to solve my problems without getting help from people who actually understand it first, from either the spirits who are supporting me or anybody who manages to see my problem in astral projection first, rather than essentially getting into astral projection first. I'm hoping that I can meet my angel/spirit guide (are they the same thing?), since he/she is supposedly a lot like me.

First of all, I have tried to help, but I really have no idea at all what you're talking about.

Whatever your perceived problem is with inter-dimensional holes, it's a metaphor for something in your mind.  Objectively speaking, I don't really know what an inter-dimensional hole is or how it's effecting you.  If you just need an energy body repair, then you could seek the help of a shamanic healer, that's what they do, recover pieces of a damaged energy body.  But again, in my opinion, your energy body is a metaphorical representation of your psychological state.  I would suggest determining what this hole is supposed to represent.

I figured that, although I was only using that terminology since that's what the person who astral projected told me. Although I am slightly mystified by this, because the way it was put accross made it sound as if it -was- an actual interdimensional anomoly; as in something which actually exists in that dimension. The same way in this dimension there are black holes, and they aren't only real for one person. The language used was 'this is a thing which exists in another dimension, and that my illness is just a symptom of this hole (the part which I notice). In other words, he was saying that whatever this hole is, it's something you don't notice. And that, interdimensional holes are 'very' rare to be stuck inside a spirits aura, but fairly common in the general ambiance.

I really have no idea what this means either, this is what this person told me. I tried to ask for a bigger explanation, but it was kindof 'that's all there is about it, it's just that and he doesn't know a whole lot about what they are either'. I really have no idea what this means.

You are also quite capable of healing yourself without the need to project your full awareness into the astral.  Visualization can be just as effective in astral healing. 

I am, although I have been trying to do that for the past two years that I have had this illness. The problem is more of, stopping this illness from inflicting damage on me so that I can have a chance to 'properly' recover. The cunning behind that is that it needs to be outwitted, which is why I need to get help from somebody who understands it in its' entirety; to anybody else it is invisible/doesn't exist.

[personalreality]

what is your actual problem?

[Losh Wi Thang]

what is your actual problem?

It's not really easy to explain clearly in any way which doesn't just explain the symptoms. I am struggling to understand it myself, although since it compromises my ability to atleast 'think', it's difficult for me to even explain what's going on (or get ontop of a clear understanding of it). This is why the action is necessary for one of my friends, or even me (which I believe I would have a clearer perception over things, rather than the subtle distortions of my illness), if anything, that's really the only way I can be helped. I can't trust my judgement if you can call it that, to explain it to somebody past the amnesia/distortions.

I've been trying to ask my friends to make a post here to see if they can pick up any extra tidbits/advice to help them further their distance into getting into astral projection, although they are a bit concerned about new communities/crowds.

I believe that such a thing will work.

By the way, I should still try what you suggested about those herbs. I have velerian root.

[personalreality]

maybe they can explain it to us.  all you're giving us is deflection and avoidance, excuses why you can't explain.  and that's fine, but we can't help if you don't help us understand. 

[Xanth]

It sounds like he's waiting for a perfectly clear metaphysical reason for whatever this mystery ailment is...

Sorry to say Losh, but I don't think your problem has anything to do with or can be cured by anything in the Astral.

[Losh Wi Thang]

That isn't deflection or avoidance. That's not being able to explain it; as I said in my post.

It sounds like he's waiting for a perfectly clear metaphysical reason for whatever this mystery ailment is...

It doesn't have anything to do with it. I don't care about the metaphysical side for being any more than being a means to understand something, you are taking my words completely out of context.

Sorry to say Losh, but I don't think your problem has anything to do with or can be cured by anything in the Astral.

Well it can because it's a psychological problem. Niether would you know what that is anyway.

And from what people make out, the astral plane is the realm of the mind. I don't know where you get that I need a metaphysical explanation for something or how that would help.

[Xanth]

That isn't deflection or avoidance. That's not being able to explain it; as I said in my post.

If you can't explain it, we can't help you.
We've pointed you towards a few resources who MIGHT be able to help you.
But in the end you have to help yourself first. 

Sorry Losh.

[Losh Wi Thang]

I can't explain it, which is why I have asked my friends to take a look at it 'first hand' in astral projection, and anybody else who may potentially want to help. If I could explain it in any way I felt satisfied with, I wouldn't need to ask for people to potentially attempt astral projection in order to see it with better mental cohesion.

We've pointed you towards a few resources who MIGHT be able to help you.

Well I could try a Shaman, so long as he knows what he/she's doing. It probably depends on the ability of the practitioner, as it does with mediumship or psychic healing.

But in the end you have to help yourself first.

Well yes, which is what I have been doing for the past two years and which is why I have asked people for help rather than deteriorated in silence.

[personalreality]

a shaman's job is to help you heal your shadow self.  re-integrate the pieces of your "light body" that have fractured due to whatever cause.  i feel that would be the most appropriate course of action with the limited information. 

what xanth is trying to say is that he thinks you may need to be medicated.

how is your emotional state?

[Stookie]

This website isn't about helping people with psychological problems. In fact, AP isn't recommended for people with psychological problems, and messing with your subconscious and inviting other people to mess with it could make the problem much worse. It sounds like you think there is some sort of magic quick-fix that someone else who can AP will do, but it doesn't work like that. Especially if your relying on people who can't AP yet. Takes years of practice. Really, before any further action is taken, you need to know what exactly is wrong. If it's treatable from the physical, that's the most common logical step.

Plus, I've NEVER heard of someone AP'ing and fixing another person's personal problems, especially as you describe. I do wish you get help, but I'm not so sure anyone here could be of help in that manner. And again, that's not what this website is for. We can send you energy and prayers though.

[Losh Wi Thang]

This website isn't about helping people with psychological problems. In fact, AP isn't recommended for people with psychological problems, and messing with your subconscious and inviting other people to mess with it could make the problem much worse. It sounds like you think there is some sort of magic quick-fix that someone else who can AP will do, but it doesn't work like that. Especially if your relying on people who can't AP yet. Takes years of practice. Really, before any further action is taken, you need to know what exactly is wrong. If it's treatable from the physical, that's the most common logical step.

I think that's reffered to more along the lines of people who suffer from psychotic symptoms, in which that could intensify some of the problems that person has, but I could be totally wrong. I really didn't want to ask publicly on a forum, I just feel like I have no choice. But my friends or anybody else aren't invited to mess with it, since whoever goes there is supervised by the spirits who are trying to do what they can to support me. The point is for them to understand me, NIETHER would they do something like that intentionally.

It sounds like you think there is some sort of magic quick-fix that someone else who can AP will do, but it doesn't work like that. Especially if your relying on people who can't AP yet. Takes years of practice. Really, before any further action is taken, you need to know what exactly is wrong. If it's treatable from the physical, that's the most common logical step.

No ... I didn't say anything like that. And if my post was even read by anybody, then as I said one of my friends has already done it. And it is treatable from the physical providing that it's understood first.

Plus, I've NEVER heard of someone AP'ing and fixing another person's personal problems, especially as you describe. I do wish you get help, but I'm not so sure anyone here could be of help in that manner. And again, that's not what this website is for. We can send you energy and prayers though.

No, but given it's application it would be stupid not to.

I really don't think my initial post was understood properly. The intention behind inviting somebody into my astral presence was for them to understand me. The reason I ended up asking on a public forum is because I felt that I had no choice.

Especially if your relying on people who can't AP yet.

Is because recently to the state it's reached I felt like I had no other choice, which is why I asked a community of experienced astral projectors. My friends who are supporting me, considering the application of astral projection agreed that it would be a good idea since it gives them a good way of understanding and consequently solving it, it doesn't have anything to do with magic, I am meeting them halfway; as are my grandparents/ancestors there to give them all the help they need. It's not any magical remedy, it's simply using that form of medium to understanding my problems.

It doesn't have anything to do with having a metaphysical answer because that's more fun, I'm not really interested in the idea of metaphysical (if you want to call it that) stuff outside of the use of pragmatic purposes; since I'm sure it can be used as an effective tool to help people (knowledge, for a start).

Plus, I've NEVER heard of someone AP'ing and fixing another person's personal problems, especially as you describe

But what does that mean other than somebody has never considered it or tried it? I don't think you really understood how I described it anyway.

It's no more magic than the way the spirits who are trying to support me, understand it. Or keep watch in my spiritual aura.

Additionally, I did know what is wrong, and I knew it would be solvable through astral projection. Although my memory problem can potentially result in me forgetting things which I recall, so I'd rather not take the risk and end up being misunderstood anyway and then not being able to correct people on their misunderstanding due to not remembering the situation.

a shaman's job is to help you heal your shadow self.  re-integrate the pieces of your "light body" that have fractured due to whatever cause.  i feel that would be the most appropriate course of action with the limited information

That sounds reasonable, how would a Shaman do that? Is he aware of what he's doing (as in, is he controlling something intentionally through some kind of metaphysical level)? Are there any possible risks to that (probably not I expect)? By the way, just to let you know, I have been recommended this before but I didn't know enough about it to pursue it.

Sorry, I don't know what a Shamantic Healer really is. I'm a bit nervous about such things, since I am a bit apprehensive that a person might not know what they're doing, although I'm particularly fine with spiritualist mediums, since it's my spirit guardians who are giving them the messages, aswell are they getting what they pick up by extra sensory means.

what xanth is trying to say is that he thinks you may need to be medicated.

What kind of medication?

how is your emotional state?

I'm not really sure how to answer that. I'm not essentially happy or perhaps comfortable, although I'm trying to keep focused to remain stable. I have to constantly meditate (or concentrate) in order to not get worse faster.

We can send you energy and prayers though.

And thanks.

[personalreality]

You will have to speak to a shaman to gauge their skill, trust your intuition.

But they usually act through physical ritual, which effects the astral.  Often times they will use astral projection (sometimes called Shamanic Journeying, but it's the same thing) to achieve these ends.  Sometimes they don't need too.

The idea is that they astrally repair your damaged energy body.

[Xanth]

There you have it, a few suggestions for you to try out to find some help for yourself.

We do highly suggest NOT looking for help in the Astral NOR on an online forum. 

Goodluck Losh.