Re:Force field around White House!

[Seraphis1]

I'm just against charging large sums of money for this kind of education.
This type of stuff should be free (or near free) to all of humanity.

If TMI wanted to help humanity, as was Robert Monroe's initial goal... he wouldn't have been charging all this money.

Personal opinion. 

Hi X: Good luck in creating that consensus reality.

S.

[Xanth]

Well, think about it... Robert Monroe was actually quite the hypocrite.
I mean on the one hand, he thought he was here to help educate and move humanity into a new level of "knowing".
Humanity means "everyone"... not "just those who are able to pay".

Sorry, but that's where I get off the Monroe-express.

[horaciocs]

I think they do have some actual expenses to deal with. I mean, the whole environment there is prepared to provide the best experience ever to its users. I've never been there, but if I do I'll expect nothing but excellence. I guess the shielding used there must be somewhat expensive, training the staff must be quite difficult and research probablt has its share too. However, I don't think it's enough to charge each user $2000 per gateway voyage program.

What I think happens is that such a pricetag puts off some of the less serious experimenters. Imagine if it cost about $500 per voyage program. Their userbase would most certainly expand and it would attract many people that aren't that serious about what they do over there. (I don't mean that anyone who isn't willing to cashout $2000 doesn't take this subject seriously, but most people who do feel like spending that amount are pretty serious about it).

Also, it keeps their success rates high, for people would rather practice a lot at home before applying than arrive there "green" and spoil the experience.

[Seraphis1]

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Well, think about it... Robert Monroe was actually quite the hypocrite.
I mean on the one hand, he thought he was here to help educate and move humanity into a new level of "knowing".
Humanity means "everyone"... not "just those who are able to pay".

Sorry, but that's where I get off the Monroe-express.
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Hold on X: I have no idea where you are getting your facts –

Firstly, Monroe was a business man not a religious zealot. As a matter of fact, he avoided religious symbolism and according to an early trainer, whenever he heard a trainer use words like chakras and the like he dressed them down. It was only after he died that things loosened up and occasionally a trainer with a background in one of the esoteric religions will slip up and use none scientific words with a religious connotation.

Second: The Monroe Institute is a 501(c)(3) educational and scientific research organization dedicated to the exploration of human consciousness it is not a religious institution. It is non-profit by law therefore the tuition is much less than it would be if it were a for profit business enterprise. I don't know the conditions of Monroe's Estate but, it appears he left all his money and property to the Institute and all proceeds for those investments and properties along with gratuity from students go for the reasonable maintenance of and furthering of the cause of human consciousness exploration.

Third: You are entitled to your opinion about how 'you' personally would run an educational and research institution, but, unless you have proclaimed yourself 'god' and have created rules of how others 'will' conduct their business, I would avoid left handed slanderous attacks on another's motives and integrity. You are entitled to hold Monroe in distain.

Fourth: To my knowledge The Monroe Institute is on the cutting edge of imparting to others 'real' information that is 'not' theory... about the non-physical universe...; and 'real' skills of how an individual may learn for yourself how to contact and interact with the non-physical. 

S.

[Xanth]

So many assumptions...

I never mentioned ANYTHING about "religion"... "god"... "zealot"... "theory"...
Wow... just, wow.  You need to read and think before replying.

I'm just going by what the man said in his books.
That he wanted to help change humanity.  I said NOTHING about *ANYTHING* you mentioned.

You make it sound like I'm ready to crucify the man.  >_<  Geeze.

All I said was that for a guy who wanted to bring his message to as many people as he could... he sure isn't going about it the right way.
I FULLY respect the man for what he's accomplished and the knowledge that he has passed along.  But, I just think that TMI is too "commercialized" nowadays.

[personalreality]

I'm sure that TMI has expanded after monroe's death, but monroe wasn't some humble servant, he was out to make money like everyone else.

I'm still with you ryan.  Especially when the one charging money is presented as this generous guru.  The amounts of money they charge people are ridiculous.  If they genuinely want to help humanity "wake-up" to their true nature, then they should make this stuff affordable for anyone.  just saying.

[Xanth]

Last I heard, and I don't know how true this is, but for a time Monroe was "running" TMI from a Focus 27 TMI facility he setup.
Again, don't know how much truth is in it... but then, I don't see why not. LoL

[Stookie]

I can understand $1500 for a week or so. About the price of a nice cruise or vacation.

...includes experiential training with qualified facilitators, lodging, all meals and snacks, evening educational programs and guest speakers, the use of fitness and recreation areas, an optional morning exercise program, and free transportation to and from Charlottesville, Virginia.

If I didn't have to be so stingy, I'd give it a go. Sounds fun. Maybe one day.

[Stookie]

Last I heard, and I don't know how true this is, but for a time Monroe was "running" TMI from a Focus 27 TMI facility he setup.
Again, don't know how much truth is in it... but then, I don't see why not. LoL

Frank said he found him in the astral a couple times. I remain skeptical...

[personalreality]

I've told you all that I think Monroe set up a "focus 27" place where he now lives and absorbs energy from the suckers that go to TMI.

[Xanth]

Stookie, I too remain skeptical about that.

And PR..
Monroe is a parasite?!  LoL 

[personalreality]

yea.  think about it.  he wasn't some spiritually enlightened master.  he was a normal dude, electrical engineer, nothing special and BAM! he spontaneously projects.  all of a sudden he discovers all this new stuff.  who's to say that he wasn't overcome with the energy he was feeling.  perhaps he liked it a little too much.  next thing you know Darth Monroe.

[Seraphis1]

yea.  think about it.  he wasn't some spiritually enlightened master.  he was a normal dude, electrical engineer, nothing special and BAM! he spontaneously projects.  all of a sudden he discovers all this new stuff.  who's to say that he wasn't overcome with the energy he was feeling.  perhaps he liked it a little too much.  next thing you know Darth Monroe.

In all the attacks on the man who probably singlehandedly changed the metaphysical landscape, what is being missed is that he figured out the the Astral 'Mud', demons and dragons etc... was an unnecessary diversion... Transcendents knew about this which is why they vetted their students for moral character before taking them on as chelas... and warned against the 'powers'...

You all owe Monroe the clear vision you now enjoy as a potential to get past the Astral mud. You just don't know it or even possibly understand it. Or worst yet care about it... you just benefit from it enormously.

Kepple makes this quite clear...

I haven't done the research on this, but, it is no accident that The University of Virginia has a research arm dedicated to human consciousness and that other mainstream universities around the country are slowing moving toward this study.

S.

[Stookie]

I'm pretty sure PR is just joking. Humor doesn't translate well in a forum sometimes.

Stookie, I too remain skeptical about that.

I tried to find it in his collection of posts, but I don't think it's there. But from what I can remember, he said he asked Monroe for tips for beginners to attain F10, and Monroe told him the key was F3 (Monroe's model). I think the other thing he mentioned was that Monroe told him that F35 actually exists in the RTZ (). One thing he does say in those posts is about how elusive F35 was for him (but it's how he found F4), which is kinda funny because Frank always said he skipped over the RTZ. But I don't really know, it's just what I remember reading years ago.

[Xanth]

Especially PR's particular brand of humour. 

As for the other thing... that does, indeed, ring a bell.  I remember reading something along those lines as well... I'll have to try and find it.

[personalreality]

In all the attacks on the man who probably singlehandedly changed the metaphysical landscape, what is being missed is that he figured out the the Astral 'Mud', demons and dragons etc... was an unnecessary diversion... Transcendents knew about this which is why they vetted their students for moral character before taking them on as chelas... and warned against the 'powers'...

You all owe Monroe the clear vision you now enjoy as a potential to get past the Astral mud. You just don't know it or even possibly understand it. Or worst yet care about it... you just benefit from it enormously.

Kepple makes this quite clear...

I haven't done the research on this, but, it is no accident that The University of Virginia has a research arm dedicated to human consciousness and that other mainstream universities around the country are slowing moving toward this study.

S.

I actually read monroe's books long after I can to the conclusion (on my own of course) that your astral experiences are influenced by your "moral character".  I don't owe Monroe anything.  I appreciate his contribution but also recognize that many people before him contributed a great deal to understanding our nonphysical side.

Thank you for trying to correct my personal opinion for me, sometimes I just have so much trouble figuring out how i feel about things.

[CFTraveler]

I'm pretty sure PR is just joking. Humor doesn't translate well in a forum sometimes.

I tried to find it in his collection of posts, but I don't think it's there. But from what I can remember, he said he asked Monroe for tips for beginners to attain F10, and Monroe told him the key was F3 (Monroe's model). I think the other thing he mentioned was that Monroe told him that F35 actually exists in the RTZ (). One thing he does say in those posts is about how elusive F35 was for him (but it's how he found F4), which is kinda funny because Frank always said he skipped over the RTZ. But I don't really know, it's just what I remember reading years ago.

Since Monroe died on 1995, the posts would have to have been before that.  Unless he meant after his death.

[Stookie]

Yep, he meant he found him in the astral. That's what I remain mostly skeptical about. It was years ago and Frank is long gone, so I guess that's where it ends too.

[personalreality]

I wasn't joking.  I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them.  Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm.  This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".   

[Seraphis1]

I actually read monroe's books long after I can to the conclusion (on my own of course) that your astral experiences are influenced by your "moral character".  I don't owe Monroe anything.  I appreciate his contribution but also recognize that many people before him contributed a great deal to understanding our nonphysical side.

Thank you for trying to correct my personal opinion for me, sometimes I just have so much trouble figuring out how i feel about things.

Hi pr: of course you don't owe anything to anyone. But, we are all the beneficiary of the fact that the astral mud can be bypassed... it is out there in the consciousness because of Monroe, Moen and Kepple... historically none but the transcendents knew this... l like atomic power once it is out there well its there to be used if you can figure out the logistics of it.

S.

[Seraphis1]

I wasn't joking.  I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them.  Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm.  This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".  

Lol!! You are a deep thinker.

S.

[Xanth]

Lol!! You are a deep thinker.

S.

Too deep sometimes.  LoL

[Seraphis1]

I wasn't joking.  I really think Monroe created these astral environments by defining/labeling them.  Then he set up the monroe institute and wrote books to teach people about his environments and get them to practice projection primarily through his paradigm.  This way, after his death, he would be able to exist in his own astral kingdom that is consistently being fed by all the people that come and drop $4000 to stay at the institute and the people that treat astral projection as just a bunch of arbitrary "focus levels".   

Lol!! You are a deep thinker.

S.

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Hi All: At first I was going to let this slide but, it is possible people need to know what I mean about the Astral Mud and the free areas of the upper focus levels 27 and above:

Excerpted Kepple: FOCUS 2

Focus 2 of consciousness is what is commonly known by psychologists, as your "subconscious" but there is nothing "sub" about it. Focus 2 is where most people do their dreaming, lucid dreaming, their "astral projecting", their meeting up with all manner of demons and devils, etc.

This is where religion has been stuck for millions of years. Even enlightened ones like Buddhism doesn't seem to get that this astral area is a trap and can be by passed... instead they've created all this hocus pocus about avoiding demons and the like which may or may not work... the point is why encounter them at all.

The astral is an area which can be passed through and most non-physical explorers armed with Monroe, Moen and Kepple will negotiate quite easily.

Excerpted Kepple: Focus 3 is what I call a 'common area' of our Consciousness Continuum. This means that unlike Focus 2, which is ours alone and can only be experienced by ourselves, our Focus 3 area of consciousness intertwines with everyone else's; we can all share in each other's Focus 3 areas of consciousness and interact with each other. As you step into Focus 3 then you will find that it is much like the physical is. Here you can meet people in a totally objective sense exactly as you can while physical. Within this region it is obvious these people are not merely creations of your own imagination. It is as obvious as it is apparent that other people are not merely creations of your imagination within the physical.

Kepple makes clear the focus 27 and above are free will areas. You choose to interact with others... I have heard as a matter of fact you can't meet anyone here how dislikes you or you dislke... there is no coercion or belief system power working here.

Monroe's focus 23 thru 26 is where the hollow heavens and hells reside and you gravitate there based on strong fixed belief system constructs such as pr was attempting to allude to accept the Monroes work leads you to 27 and above which are free will areas.

Anyway most of you who are really interested can follow thru for yourselves to clarify these ideas... I thought it was important to at least point people to areas of investigation to get there facts straight... there is enough misinformation in the universe.

S.

[personalreality]

I've never heard the term "Astral Mud" before, but I thought it was common knowledge that your subconscious reflects into the astral and you in turn experience the projections it creates until you learn to move past it.

[Seraphis1]

I've never heard the term "Astral Mud" before, but I thought it was common knowledge that your subconscious reflects into the astral and you in turn experience the projections it creates until you learn to move past it.

Hi pr: read the kepple material... it is the best around. The point is you don't have to get into the astral or Kepple focus 2... (particularly upon death) in the training you are led out of these areas and for the purposes of exploration you can do whatever you want to do... the belief system terretories are in kepples f2 for you to examime while you are in physical form or any other area you choose to go to once you are proficient in shifting focus... the training is all about learning to shifting focus and/or traveling...

S.