Atral projection while in a mildly lucid dream? Is it possible?

[donzieja]

Okay, so I'm new here, this is my first post. I am not sure where to post this, but here goes.

Alright, so last night, as I drifted off to sleep, I imagined myself spinning and whirling around my room. As I fell asleep, I began to dream. Somehow I dreamed that I had fallen asleep and then everything started happening. I woke up in a room, it was not mine. I was basically having a dream inside a dream, which may explain the ability to only achieve mild lucidity. But I remember floating out of this room, and going around my house. Before this I remembered that going through walls would be awkward, and it was. But I did it. So, I went and floated down a street next to my street and somehow ended up floating behind my ex-girlfriend and her family walking their dog. Anyway, when they saw me, I began to descend, and  ended up walking. I remember wearing some kind of mask over my face, and from then on was no longer able to maintain lucidity. So, if this was a real astral projection or any other related thing, how may I be able to maintain lucidity throughout? What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks,

-Don

[Xanth]

Well, my opinion on Dreams, Lucid Dreams and Astral Projections can be found here: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/08/31/dreams-lucid-dreams-and-astral-projections%E2%80%A6-what%E2%80%99s-the-difference/

Dreams, Lucid Dreams and Astral Projections/OBEs all happen within the same area of consciousness.  Robert Monroe labeled this area “Focus 22”.  This is the area of consciousness that I believe most people refer to when they use terms such as “The Astral”.  I also believe that the “Real Time Zone” or what most people call the “Real Time Zone” also has its origins here, but I’ll explain more about that in another post.So if Dreams, Lucid Dreams and Astral Projections/OBEs are all the same experience how do you explain away the distinct differences between them?  Well, it’s simple… what differentiates them from each other is how consciously aware you are during the experience.

I also prefer using the Terms “Physical” and “Non-Physical” to describe the realities we find ourselves in.

It goes kind of like this:

    * A Dream (remembered or not) is basically when you are unaware that you are sleeping.  Your consciousness has phased into the non-physical, but it has done so unaware of this.  This happens to you pretty much every night of your life that you have gone to bed to have a good night’s sleep.
    * A Lucid Dream (always remembered, even in some limited fashion) is a Dream where the only thing you are aware of is that you are dreaming.  You might not have knowledge of your physical body.  You have some waking consciousness.  You don’t generally have much in the way of critical faculties.
    * An Astral Projection/OBE (again, always remembered, even in some limited fashion) is where you have brought forth your FULL waking conscious awareness.  You are fully awake and aware that you are within the non-physical and your physical body is in your bed, fast asleep.

So you can see that there isn’t much difference between the three experiences.  All happen in the same area of the consciousness continuum, it’s your own personal area of consciousness that nobody else has access to.  It’s an area set aside just for you!

It’s from this area that you have access to all of your closely held belief constructs.  You also have access to all of your memories that you’ve collected over the course of your current life.  Also, with a bit of control over your Emotions and Thoughts (as these are what are providing the fuel for what you see and experience around you) you will be able to leave your personal area and move into what I call the “Collective Consciousness” areas, but more on that later.

I view them all as taking place in the same area of consciousness.  So it's not so much something that you do (ie: *have* a Lucid Dream or *have* an Astral Projection) and I view them more as states of mind you ARE while in the non-physical (ie: you *ARE* Lucidly Aware and you *ARE* Astrally Aware).
To answer your specific question "Is it possible to have an Astral Projection while IN a Lucid Dream"... no.  Because you're either Lucidly Aware or Astrally Aware, you can't be both.

That's my view on it anyways.  Others here have slightly different views of it. 

[donzieja]

Well you see, I feel as though it started as a lucid dream and then became an OBE. Also, this is the first time I've had a lucid dream in years, and the past ones were NOTHING like this...

[Killa Rican]

I've had those too. And i see a difference in phasing. If I OBE when im awake i walk out into my room leaving my body behind. If I OBE during a lucid dream, then i "wake up" into a wider reality in that which i believe i have shifted to a different focus. It's really weird but both seemed very different for me. 

[AlanRK]

What you are describing is perfectly possible, it's just the way you're describing it which might confuse people. It sounds as if you were partially aware you were asleep, which means a bit more awareness, and thus a bit of an astral experience. What often goes unnoticed is that during sleep people will dream, but where they dream is a different matter entirely. By becoming aware of yourself being asleep you are able to see past the cloudiness of dreams and view objectively. There are so many levels of clarity that range from complete dreaming to being completely awake. In the astral your mind usually completely drunken and messy, but by becoming aware you can increase that clarity so that you will feel just as awake there as you do here, and with certain factors you can become even more awake than you are here.

I know many people see things differently but here's what I and others I've talked to will agree on: When you're asleep you enter the astral, but your mind is such a mess that it's like being drunk, high, and an amnesiac. The subconscious will be in total control most of the time for most people. Generally people will stay in places they are most accustomed to in their physical life, such as; home, work, favourite social places, or even just some random area (but it's usually nearby to someplace you know). On top of all tha freedom to go anywhere in the world, you also can traverse the various levels of the astral, but this isn't entirely relevant in this case. So in general, some places will be more favoured by dreamers than others, and it's usually a personal thing where you end up. Whilst still being in all these familiar places, your subconscious will confuse you to no end, and 99% of what you'll be experiencing will be born directly from your subconscious. So, becoming aware that you're dreaming will loosen the subconscious hold and depending on how conscious you become, those subconscious images will dispel and lose their grip on you. The more conscious you become, the more of an objective reality you will be able to experience, depending on where you are and depending on how many of your subconscious projections remain. The ideal scenario is to be able to dispel the subconscious completely from your experiences as it is a very confusing and deceptive influence, and this is an ongoing battle for control.

All of this is by no means a rule, there are exceptions to everything, it's just a very general pattern of how dreaming and becoming conscious in the astral will work sometimes.

[Xanth]

Well you see, I feel as though it started as a lucid dream and then became an OBE. Also, this is the first time I've had a lucid dream in years, and the past ones were NOTHING like this...

A full astral projection really is a completely different feeling from a lucid dream... you feel more ALIVE and more FREE.
From what you're saying here it actually sounds like you went straight into Astral Awareness from the Dream state.

I've done this as well, it can be a little disorienting at first... but when you realize what's actually going on, it's great!
I posted my most recent experience as such here: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/10/11/morning-projection-october-11-2010/

I wanted to journal my experience I had this morning.

So, the first thing I remember was finding myself standing in a very beautiful grassy scene.  I had completely bypassed Lucid Awareness and apparently went straight to Astral Awareness.  I could see rolling, green hills for as far as the eye could see.  I remember looking up at the blue sky, and it was so very beautiful.  I just remember standing there for a few short seconds taking it all in.  The colours were absolutely brilliant.  I believe this was a Focus 3 oC area.

Standing around in this field were MANY people.  I didn't notice anyone wearing any strange clothing... they all seemed to be rather modern.  Some of them were standing off by themselves, others were standing in groups having conversations.

What I believe was a teenage girl came up to me and started talking.  I don't remember what the original conversation was, but I do remember asking her name in the hopes of getting some information about her that I could try to confirm when I returned to the physical.  Her name was Cardiff.  Unfortunately, I didn't get a last name or any other information regarding her...  I do remember 'chatting it up' with a few of the other people there, but I don't remember the details of them.  I remember one big burly fellow giving me a big hug... he seemed to know me, I dunno from where though.  All throughout these chats with people, I remember jumping up and flying around a bit.  I absolutely LOVE flying. 

So anyways, around this time, I began to feel that I was dropping back into Lucid Awareness... because I was starting to see some Focus 2 oC environments overlay into my experiences.  I then began to feel myself wake up... the good thing here was that I woke up slow enough that I was able to keep myself still and my eyes closed, HOWEVER, I also had to go to the bathroom, which was probably the initial reason why I woke in the first place.  LoL

My initial goal this morning was to try Personalreality's new LD inducing sound file... but, since I didn't need it this morning, I skipped that.  I'll try it sometime this week or probably next weekend.

That is the kind of experience (the sensations, not the content) it sounds like you had.
Does it sound familiar at all?

[Killa Rican]

That's A beautiful experience xanth. ^_^ I always wondered is there an explanation as to why we dont always fully remember details from our experiences such as even the little things like conversations? Sometimes I can Fully Remember how a lucid dream or OBE went, but it depends on how much it impacted me for what i will end up freshly remembering off the top of my head for a long time.

[Xanth]

That's A beautiful experience xanth. ^_^ I always wondered is there an explanation as to why we dont always fully remember details from our experiences such as even the little things like conversations? Sometimes I can Fully Remember how a lucid dream or OBE went, but it depends on how much it impacted me for what i will end up freshly remembering off the top of my head for a long time.

Thank you

Oh I do so wish I could remember the exact discussions that were going on in that projection.
Most of what I remember entailed asking the girl if she could tell me anything that I could take back to verify.  LoL
And that's when she gave me that name... could be a name, could be a the city... I've no idea.  hehe

But yeah, it's all definitely in your head locked away... I think keeping a dream journal would actually be the most prudent move in unlocking those memories.
Or at the very least, when you wake up in the morning, just lay back for 5 - 10 minutes and try to reflect upon the dreams you've had.  It'll force your subconscious to come around to the idea that you actually do WANT to remember your non-physical experiences.  Which will hopefully, in turn, help you to recall them easier.

[donzieja]

Thank you all for your replies. I think I might try to use the same "Spinning" technique sometime soon. Also, I've heard this and was wondering if it were true... - If you and a person you know had an OBE, and you two met in the astral realm, you'd both remember it.

Is that true? I don't know because this was the first time I'd ever experienced such a thing, and I've no friends who have.

Anyways, any other techniques I should take into consideration?

Thanks,

-Don

[AlanRK]

You would both remember it if you were both conscious, yes. This is a difficult thing to get right due to timing though. I don't know anyone who has done it. You can also try finding a friend while they are dreaming and try to wake them up inside the astral. The latter is a bit more stable, but still very hard.

[Killa Rican]

I have a close friend, that once told me she and her sibling both shared the same nightmare. Dont remember what the dream was about but apparently she and her brother were both sitting together in a car, and something was after them. Turned out her brother had that same dream sitting next to her. I personally believe them.