Seeking help, techniques, or tips

[iamjosh]

Hello,

I am somewhat new to this, but I am starting to gain a wealth of knowledge on the matter. I have been attempting OBE since July, and I have had a couple interesting experiences thus far (2 lucid dreams, and one obe I think). The obe I think I had was when it felt like I fell through my bed, but then I opened my eyes and I was awake and in my physical body.

Let me just give a brief history before I get on with my questions. I have been doing a lot of research on the net to determine and find out how to have an OBE and how to improve my chances. I've explored binaural beats (Hemi-sync and other binaural products) and now I am into Isochronic tones. These tones definitely have an effect on me, but the iso tone I listen to is only 30 minutes long. I have read a few Robert Bruce books and I have attempted the 90 day OBE challenge, but I can't dedicate that much time in my week for that type of training regime.

Now with my questions.

I generally go to sleep at 10-11pm and wake up around 7am, is this impairing my chances of projecting? Should I set my alarm at night to wake up to attempt projection, if so what time with the time frames I've mentioned?

When I get relaxed I use "NEW Energy Ways" to generate energy in my body and this does well in relaxing me, but I can't seem to get overcome my impatience or my great desire of wanting something to happen. Last night I feel I've come the closest to projecting and my head seemed to be buzzing quite loud and vibrating a lot, but then I had to swallow and seemed to take me out of the experience.

Can anyone offer me up some things I can do or I should be doing to help me out? It seems like I can't get myself to do what I've read, and I am also having trouble with "losing myself" or "putting my awareness elsewhere".

Should I be attempting projection every night or morning? I used to click out a lot during binaural beats and just wake up from being unconscious and not experience anything. I am now finding that if I concentrate on moving energy, it keeps me from clicking out. Am I on the right track with that?

Thanks, I'd like all the help I can get!

[AstralBeginnings]

Welcome Iamjosh.

So just to get this right, when you come to project you do some NEW?

I personally think this is ok, but please understand NEW is not a way to project, just a way to stimulate your energy body, which may or may not aid in projection.

The easiest way to practice "losing yourself" I would suggest to you would be to follow a run-down.  A run-down is basically a self-created scenario in which you imagine yourself doing something.  For example you could picture yourself walking along a beach, then walking in the water and then swimming etc - making sure you really FEEL all of your sensations.  Try to experience all of your 5 physical senses when doing this.  Basically, you need to keep your mind off of your body, which is totally the opposite of what NEW does.

In regards to your sleep pattern, everyone is different.  Lately I have been finding it better going to bed early (9-10pm) and having 6-7 hours rest then waking up and trying.  I find my body and mind in a perfect state when I do this.  However my first successes were with the Vehram System in which you wake up during the night at a pre-programmed time.  Check out www.vehram.com

There are many others more experienced than me here so hopefully they will chime in too, but this is basically what I suggest based on the information you have given

[Tiny]

When I get relaxed I use "NEW Energy Ways" to generate energy in my body and this does well in relaxing me

Way to go

but I can't seem to get overcome my impatience or my great desire of wanting something to happen. Last night I feel I've come the closest to projecting and my head seemed to be buzzing quite loud and vibrating a lot, but then I had to swallow and seemed to take me out of the experience.

If you feel bored, put up some audio entertainment for your body.


And let your body drift further and further into sleep. In fact the more energetic your energy body becomes, the more the physical body starts going to sleep, and that's how you induce sleep even while your physical body is well rested. The OBE function is all about energy work.

What works best for me is I pull in energy up from my feet, this causes me to stay awake while my body goes to sleep.



kind regards,

Paul

[CFTraveler]

Hello,

I am somewhat new to this, but I am starting to gain a wealth of knowledge on the matter. I have been attempting OBE since July, and I have had a couple interesting experiences thus far (2 lucid dreams, and one obe I think). The obe I think I had was when it felt like I fell through my bed, but then I opened my eyes and I was awake and in my physical body.

Let me just give a brief history before I get on with my questions. I have been doing a lot of research on the net to determine and find out how to have an OBE and how to improve my chances. I've explored binaural beats (Hemi-sync and other binaural products) and now I am into Isochronic tones. These tones definitely have an effect on me, but the iso tone I listen to is only 30 minutes long. I have read a few Robert Bruce books and I have attempted the 90 day OBE challenge, but I can't dedicate that much time in my week for that type of training regime.

Hi Josh.  Let me tell you what I think.

Now with my questions.

I generally go to sleep at 10-11pm and wake up around 7am, is this impairing my chances of projecting? Should I set my alarm at night to wake up to attempt projection, if so what time with the time frames I've mentioned?

No.  I think your sleeping patterns are just fine.  The problem with middle of the night OBEs is that you go back to sleep and forget them.  I don't like OBE at bedtime, but it's my preference.  I would just recommend getting up a little earlier than usual (one or two hours) and attempt the projection then.

When I get relaxed I use "NEW Energy Ways" to generate energy in my body and this does well in relaxing me, but I can't seem to get overcome my impatience or my great desire of wanting something to happen. Last night I feel I've come the closest to projecting and my head seemed to be buzzing quite loud and vibrating a lot, but then I had to swallow and seemed to take me out of the experience.

I am a big believer in doing energy work for many reasons (including but not limited to projection) but I don't recommend it as part of the attempt, except for a little raising right after physical relaxation.  But I don't recommend doing a whole-body routine in the evening- because it can make you 'too awake' and interfere with your sleep patterns.  I prefer doing a whole course of NEW at different times of the day, and leaving the relaxing and other mind things for the attempt.  If you're very sleepy and think you may click out, then by all means raise energy- but not a whole routine, unless you're very very tired.

Can anyone offer me up some things I can do or I should be doing to help me out? It seems like I can't get myself to do what I've read, and I am also having trouble with "losing myself" or "putting my awareness elsewhere".

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean. 
Is it a fear, or a technique thing?  Because when you think of being somewhere else (like at work thinking about the beach, or so) you're doing just that.  Or are you talking about exit techniques?

Should I be attempting projection every night or morning? I used to click out a lot during binaural beats and just wake up from being unconscious and not experience anything. I am now finding that if I concentrate on moving energy, it keeps me from clicking out. Am I on the right track with that?

I don't.  I do my meditation/energy work almost every day, but I don't attempt projection for more than twice a week, if that.
As moving energy is NEW, you can see how it also keeps you awake.  So if your problem is clicking out, then moving energy is beneficial.  But don't let it prevent you from getting as fully relaxed as possible before you even get to your trance work.

Cheers,
CF.

[iamjosh]

I'm afraid I don't quite understand what you mean. 
Is it a fear, or a technique thing?  Because when you think of being somewhere else (like at work thinking about the beach, or so) you're doing just that.  Or are you talking about exit techniques?

I meant that I can't seem to get myself to the point of having some of the "astral symptoms", like buzzing sounds, whole body vibrations. Last night I had a ton of vibrating especially on my head (probably crown chakra or minds eye). I also noticed after this I would walk around my house and still feel vibrating while being fully awake and doing things. It didn't seem to wear off for several minutes.

Here's what I plan on doing over the next couple weeks, please correct me if I am wrong

1. Instead of trying to do OBE activities every night before bed, I'll try to plan out a couple nights that I'll really try an attempt. I'll say affirmations during these specific attempt trials as well. If I wake up in the middle of a night at say 4-5am, I may also try an attempt.

2. I'll do NEW daily as an activity for myself. I won't do a full routine during an attempt unless I need some extra energy to stay aware.

3. I'll think about myself elsewhere during attempts to keep my awareness away from my physical body (5 senses, beach, swimming, etc that was mentioned in this post).

Any other things during the next couple of weeks that would be beneficial and add to my chances of projecting or leaving my body during an attempt?

Thanks for all the feedback!

[CFTraveler]

It sounds like a good routine.
But I want to point out that vibrations shouldn't be the symptom you are striving for- there is no one symptom that tells you you're ready- there are many different symptoms that may give you that idea, other than vibes:
Visuals- quick hypnagogics mean you're very close- slow hypnagogics means you're closer.
Seeing through the eyelids is a wonderful one to show you you've already projected, but are situated in/body, and now it's time to try an exit technique.
The feeling of movement- forwards, backwards, back and forth or side to side, floatiness,- those are also indicators that you're in transition and may not realize it.
Sounds sometimes indicate impending separation, but it depends what kind.  For me, the voices or sounds don't really mean I'm almost there- not close enough- but whooshing and popping sounds sometimes do, if you pay attention.
Any of these should get your attention and put your conscious awareness in the ready for some energy body loosening or an exit technique.

[iamjosh]

Visuals- quick hypnagogics mean you're very close- slow hypnagogics means you're closer.
Seeing through the eyelids is a wonderful one to show you you've already projected, but are situated in/body, and now it's time to try an exit technique.

By quick hypnagogics you mean, like a flashing of images rather quickly in my mind? When I get to this phase I normally see a lot of different faces or different people, including people I have never seen before or remember seeing. Secondly, did you mean I am closest with quick or slow hypnagogics, I wasn't sure exactly what you meant.

Finally, I tried again last night with another attempt but it didn't go as well. Should I be trying to visualize myself elsewhere throughout the entire attempt? To quickly walk you through my attempt, I started with a short breathing exercise to get me relaxed and I also stretched beforehand. Then I put on my Astral Projection Isochronic tone and began listening with it looped. This tone should put my brain in theta and I can feel its effects.

I visualized myself doing dishes, and I think this was beneficial. I washed and dried each dish and put it away in my head, but this didn't seem to help a whole lot to get me to hypnagogics??? I then imagined myself swimming at the beach, I spent maybe 20min visualizing and it didn't seem to give me a lot of vibes (I know I should not even expect this), and did not give me hypnagogics other than what I was visualizing myself.

Also, I am adding yoga to my daily routine as I tried yoga for the first time yesterday and I really enjoy it!

Let me know what you think I appreciate your wisdom!

[CFTraveler]

By quick hypnagogics you mean, like a flashing of images rather quickly in my mind?

Yes.

When I get to this phase I normally see a lot of different faces or different people, including people I have never seen before or remember seeing. Secondly, did you mean I am closest with quick or slow hypnagogics, I wasn't sure exactly what you meant.

Slow.  The more you synchronize with them the slower they get.

Finally, I tried again last night with another attempt but it didn't go as well. Should I be trying to visualize myself elsewhere throughout the entire attempt?

You shouldn't visualize yourself anywhere- you want to externalize your viewpoint, not 'see' yourself somewhere else.
What you describe below is good- you are not seeing a picture of yourself doing something, you are going through the experience of 'being' there- an immersion- and doing something.  This is what you want.

To quickly walk you through my attempt, I started with a short breathing exercise to get me relaxed and I also stretched beforehand. Then I put on my Astral Projection Isochronic tone and began listening with it looped. This tone should put my brain in theta and I can feel its effects.

I visualized myself doing dishes, and I think this was beneficial. I washed and dried each dish and put it away in my head, but this didn't seem to help a whole lot to get me to hypnagogics???

If this visualization was the exit attempt, then you should have waited to be in trance before doing it, not doing it to get to trance.  However, it can be used before the exit attempt, for 'loosening' purposes- but you have to do a different exit technique (or phase) after getting the symptoms.

I then imagined myself swimming at the beach, I spent maybe 20min visualizing and it didn't seem to give me a lot of vibes (I know I should not even expect this), and did not give me hypnagogics other than what I was visualizing myself.

I would add some movement to this immersive experience- if you're swimming at the beach, catch some waves, something that induces movement.  Don't expect hypnagogics from this, expect movement.  Then launch yourself from it.

Also, I am adding yoga to my daily routine as I tried yoga for the first time yesterday and I really enjoy it!

Yoga is very good for energy body development.  So I give it a 'thumbs up'.

[Naykid]

Nice explanations CF. 

[iamjosh]

Thanks a lot for all of the feedback! I'll take the wisdom and run with it and see what I can do.

When I meant visualizing myself somewhere, I literally visualized myself washing dishes as myself but in the kitchen. I visualized and felt with my hands the warm soapy water and how it felt when I rinsed the dishes in cold water and putting them away, feeling the solid plates/silverware/glasses, etc. I also was able to feel the remembrance of what Dawn soap smells like as I wash, so it was kind of a cleansing experience for me that I may try again sometime even if I am not trying to project or leave my body.

I'll do these visualizations once I hit trance and see if it can get me closer.

Regardless of my attempts and my failures so far (failures are good, they keep us learning), I am learning a lot more about myself and I am feeling much happier. I seem to have more of an "eternal perspective" on things now.