Dream recall

[ange.connell]

Hi all

Got a question that Im hoping somebody can answer coz I carnt think of any reason. OK, I started my dream journal just over a week ago whist I was on holiday in Scotland (makes no diff that I was in Scotland) and I could remember several dreams and wrote them down in my journal. Im now back at home, back at work and have been unable to recall any dreams. How and why is this?

Cheers

Ange x

[iamkuljuarenot]

Hello ange.connell, i'm sort of the same way.  I have spurts where I remember all of my dreams very vividly, remember bits and pieces, or I wake up feeling like I didn't have a dream all night.  I find that laying in bed with my eyes closed for a while after I wake up, memories and details of dreams flood back into my thoughts.  Of course, I do have pretty regular lucid dream experiences which are pretty hard to forget, but as for just normal dreams, sometimes I remember, sometimes I don't. 

The other day I was watching some youtube videos by a guy named ReeceJones87, he has some really informative and creative videos a lot about dreaming and consciousness, things of that sort.  Anyway, he posted one video about a vitamin supplement called Choline Bitartrate, that is supposed to improve dream recall.  He takes one before he goes to bed and he said that he noticed improvement in his dream recall.  I might check that out, its worth a shot. 

[ange.connell]

cheers for that,may try that supplement myself. dont know about you but i finding it really frustrating not remembering my dreams

[iamkuljuarenot]

The only thing that frustrates me about not remembering my dreams is that at no point had I became lucid during them, which is a basic goal of mine everynight to have a lucid dream or obe, so when I don't remember my dreams, that means for me at no point did I have lucidity in a dream, because I never forget that, and that is frustrating.

[ange.connell]

iamkulyuarenot

I watched the youtube vid last - interesting, seems quite a clued up guy and def going to get some choline bitartrate and give it go, thanks for the tip

Ange x

[Stookie]

Hi all

Got a question that Im hoping somebody can answer coz I carnt think of any reason. OK, I started my dream journal just over a week ago whist I was on holiday in Scotland (makes no diff that I was in Scotland) and I could remember several dreams and wrote them down in my journal. Im now back at home, back at work and have been unable to recall any dreams. How and why is this?

Cheers

Ange x

That happens to me too. When I go out of town or sleep in strange places, I nearly always have VERY vivid dreams (and even a few OBE's). I don't know why that is. Maybe I don't sleep as deep outside of my regular bed, so it's easier to remember. Is this the case with anyone else?

[Pauli2]

When I sleep at odd places I have had a little higher percentage of both LDing and SP.

Could be that I'm unused to the surrounding sounds/silence so I sleep lighter?

[ange.connell]

So,am I understanding this correctly. If you sleep deeply then it is less likely that you will have a lucid dream? If that's true then it kinda makes sense in that Im really tired when Im at home and do tend to sleep deeper, apart from Sundays when I don't sleep too well. Will make a mental note to see if I dream this Sunday - interesting!!!

[Xanth]

So,am I understanding this correctly. If you sleep deeply then it is less likely that you will have a lucid dream? If that's true then it kinda makes sense in that Im really tired when Im at home and do tend to sleep deeper, apart from Sundays when I don't sleep too well. Will make a mental note to see if I dream this Sunday - interesting!!!

I'm not even sure "tiredness" has anything to do with it really.
I mean, in my dreams (lucid or otherwise) there's never a point where I remember myself being *tired*.  I don't dream that I'm tired... never.
It's not until I wake up in the middle of the night or early morning when I find and think, "Wow, I'm still tired!".

What this tells me is that there's a possibility that we've just convinced ourselves that being physically tired will effect our successes with lucid dreaming or projection.  What makes matters worse is that if you look at what we tell people on this forum... we REINFORCE this belief in people.  We tell people that it's best not to try to project as you're going to bed, we tell you it's mostly because you're physically tired and you'll probably just fall asleep. 

Well, what if it's just all about breaking that... well, we'll call it a BELIEF...
Breaking the belief that being physically tired limits our conscious awareness activities in the non-physical might be all that's holding us back from full night-time, ALL NIGHT conscious projections.

Just a thought anyway. 

[Stookie]

We're discussing why we tend to be more lucid when we're away from our regular place of sleep. Does that even happen to you?

It'd be better to hear from experience then what you believe.

Well, what if it's just all about breaking that... well, we'll call it a BELIEF...
Breaking the belief that being physically tired limits our conscious awareness activities in the non-physical might be all that's holding us back from full night-time, ALL NIGHT conscious projections.

Not that belief can't play a part, but there is so much more to projecting than belief. And who is the "we" you keep referring to lately?

[Stookie]

So,am I understanding this correctly. If you sleep deeply then it is less likely that you will have a lucid dream? If that's true then it kinda makes sense in that Im really tired when Im at home and do tend to sleep deeper, apart from Sundays when I don't sleep too well. Will make a mental note to see if I dream this Sunday - interesting!!!

It's a possibility, or maybe a greater connection we haven't made yet. I know I sleep lighter when I'm out of town so I thought there could be a connection there. Pauli questioned it as well. And now we have someone to test it for us Sunday.

Anyone else tend to be more lucid away from home?

[wiii]

What this tells me is that there's a possibility that we've just convinced ourselves that being physically tired will effect our successes with lucid dreaming or projection. 

Actually when i am physically  tired like all this week happened to be,my belief is very strong that i can trick my body to fall asleep more quickly as i keep my mind awake!And still as i go to bed i just 'blackout' into sleep and wake up with half an hour before my alarm is set to ring!(in the morning to go to work) And i don't even remember dreaming something!
So this week my beliefs were so strong that i can LD or AP more easily if i am physycally tired,but still i had not even a smal LD!
Naps in the afternoon seem to giveresults for most of practitioners !
And i have not had the ocasion to sleep in any place than my bed for now,to see how this affects my LD's,but i will surely keep that in mind to observe when i have the ocasion!
With the Choline Bithartrate it will probably improve your memory in LD,but this being a suplement, i think when you stop taking those you end up at the beginning!In my opinion practice and patience are more a solution,as supplements are nonautonomous ways to do this things:)

[Xanth]

We're discussing why we tend to be more lucid when we're away from our regular place of sleep. Does that even happen to you?

It'd be better to hear from experience then what you believe.

I was responding to something else with a thought I had that I felt might help some people... sue me. 

Experience... yeah.
While camping, I had a non-physical lucid awareness experience I was back at home.  This was, I believe, a summer before I joined the Astral Pulse and was introduced to Phasing.

Although, I don't believe I have "more" lucid experiences away from my usual place of rest than I do normally.  I'm pretty comfortable sleeping wherever I am.  LoL

Not that belief can't play a part, but there is so much more to projecting than belief. And who is the "we" you keep referring to lately?

Figure of speech.

[blis]

The prison lets me spend every fourth week on home leave at my mums house to help my transition back into the outside world.

On my first night or two here it's common for me to have LD's and spontaneous OBE's. Same goes when I get back to the prison but to a lesser extent. I have a different sleeping pattern for both places and eat at different times too - dont know if that could have anything to to with it.

On dream recall - I've always associated it to be associated with disruption of sleep. I think it has to do with how much we wake up between dreams. A night of broken sleep will always leave me with more memories of dreams. If I actually get up between dreams every night to write in my journal I start to remember much larger portions of them.

[Xanth]

The prison lets me spend every fourth week on home leave at my mums house to help my transition back into the outside world.

On my first night or two here it's common for me to have LD's and spontaneous OBE's. Same goes when I get back to the prison but to a lesser extent. I have a different sleeping pattern for both places and eat at different times too - dont know if that could have anything to to with it.

On dream recall - I've always associated it to be associated with disruption of sleep. I think it has to do with how much we wake up between dreams. A night of broken sleep will always leave me with more memories of dreams. If I actually get up between dreams every night to write in my journal I start to remember much larger portions of them.

It's funny you mention broken sleep.
From time to time I'll have nights where I go in and out of sleep and I can't seem to determine where the non-physical ends and the physical begins.  >_<

[ange.connell]

blis, you do have a point if I think about it. When I was away I did wake up several times during the night coz I wrote down just one word in my dream diary about the dream Id just had so that I could recall it in full in the morning. And since Ive been home Ive slept straight through and as I said Ive not been able to recall any dreams as all. And Ive taken choline bitartrate for the last two nights. I also told my personal trainer (the one who introduced me to AP, LD's etc) about choline but I don't yet know it hes any success with it. Any one else tried it? What results did you have?

Ange x

[blis]

Havent tried it but I'll give it a go.

On my last home leave I tried B12 on the reccomendation of omcasey. It did seem to work but it might have been the placebo effect. I'm back home with access to B12 again so I'm about to try it again.

She reports a big difference in lucidity but she's getting it from raw milk which is full of so much other stuff that it could be something else entirely causing it.

- Just checked. Raw milk is full of choline and pasteurised isnt. Going to go to the health shop tommorow and get some choline. I'm a lacto-vegetarian(no meat fish or egg) so I'll be deficient in a lot things. Even if it doesnt aid lucidity my body will probably still be happy for it. I just wish you could buy raw milk here(it's illegal in Scotland).

[ange.connell]

Hey, guess what, last night I had several dreams and I recalled all but one of them this morning. Wrote them all down in my dream diary and felt good again. One of my dreams was so vivid, very detailed. Now I don't know whether it was the choline tablets (third night of taking them), the bottle of red wine or the knowledge that I didn't have to get up early for work. But whatever it was it worked, not that I propose to drink a bottle of red wine every night that would just be mad. Hopefully I can carry on now!!!

Ange

[personalreality]

Hi all

Got a question that Im hoping somebody can answer coz I carnt think of any reason. OK, I started my dream journal just over a week ago whist I was on holiday in Scotland (makes no diff that I was in Scotland) and I could remember several dreams and wrote them down in my journal. Im now back at home, back at work and have been unable to recall any dreams. How and why is this?

Cheers

Ange x

just keep going.  everything waxes and wanes.  keep at it and remain disciplined and dedicated.  it all works out eventually. 

i know that sounds like a half-assed response but it's really not.  that's the one thing i've taken away from months and years of trying to improve dream recall.  as long as you just keep trying every day and go to sleep with the intent to remember your dreams, it all comes together eventually.

[ange.connell]

Thanks for the moral support personalreality, i appreciate it. Thought it was just me but i guess im not the first going through this stage and wont be the last but like you said i am going to stick at it and every night i go to bed convinced that i will remember my dreams.

Ange x

[blidge]

Tried Choline Bithartrate for the last 2 nights and no joy as of yet, dreams don't seem to be really lucid at the moment but maybe intime. I do recall them no problem and have had many lucid dreamss over the years. Just thinking would taking these tablets have to take time to work as they reportably do?

[ange.connell]

Blidge - as you know Ive taken them for the last three nights and it was only on the third night that I could remember my dreams. So like I said Id stick with them for the time being. And as for enabling a lucid dream I carnt comment coz I've only had a tiny one and just onece. But good luck anyway, let me know how you go on eh

Ange x

[Egar]

It's funny you mention broken sleep.
From time to time I'll have nights where I go in and out of sleep and I can't seem to determine where the non-physical ends and the physical begins.  >_<

That just happened to me last night, I would wake up almost every hour and fall back asleep right away and I was extremly confused between physical and non-physical since I visualize a lot of things even if im not dreaming so I was wondering, was it a dream or something I just had fun visualizing.
Anyway one that was a dream for sure is a was on ice skating and was going at an incredible speed towards the board, check down and noticed I had no skates, only shoes, and thought, oh god I'll lose control and right after I fell on the ice and before crashing on the board I think I woke up but very smoothly