Just an idea on a way to help induce the vibrations....

[SkepticBoy]

K so I was thinking maybe there is a way to start the vibrations when one is asleep by attaching a device to the bottom of the feet perhaps each foot which would be set to go off around 3 hours before the person has gone to sleep then that way you can be reasonably sure they are asleep deeply in 3 hours. The device would start to ever so gently vibrate at that time then get stronger and stronger. It would of course be important to make sure it starts off very low then gets stronger as if it started strong it could be too strong so to wake the person up. It has to be subtle. So when this little gizmo is vibrating then the sleeping mind (I am hoping) would take this as a sign of the body vibrating which would (in theory so I hope) make the rest of the body vibrate gently from the feet upwards. Then when the whole body is vibrating, you can raise consciousness some and try exit into the astral (or RTZ).

So what you all think of this idea? trouble is I really don't know what to use for the device to make the vibrations and what I could use where it would start vibrating at a set time in the 3 hours. Anyone have an idea what can be used here?

Your views on this pls.

[Astral316]

I doubt physically vibrating will help a person induce vibrations any more than physically climbing a rope will assist one during the rope technique. The feelings need to be generated internally, that is why assisting tools are geared towards sound waves in the brain.

[Volgerle]

You just get a nice body (foot) massage, that's all.  It's got nothing to do with the metaphysical vibrational state and I cannot see any reason that it should help lead to it. Most likely is even that you are going to wake up from it.

[personalreality]

You all aren't considering the power of sense memory.

Say that you are the kind of projector who regularly experiences vibrations and it normally happens when you're in a non-ordinary state of consciousness.  There is a memory in your mind and or brain, related to said altered state, of vibration.  Now, even if the vibes aren't a physical sensation you feel them as if they were.  So for all intents and purposes you experiences physical vibration.

So, if you're asleep and begin feeling a vibration, it's not such a big leap for the brain and or mind to recognize that it is in a non-ordinary state of consciousness and feeling vibrations.  Your brain/mind remembers that in the past, this combination of sensation and perception was immediately followed by a separation from the body.  And it induces projection.

It may not work at all, but it seems plausible.  You'd just be tricking your brain.

[Astral316]

Say that you are the kind of projector who regularly experiences vibrations and it normally happens when you're in a non-ordinary state of consciousness.  There is a memory in your mind and or brain, related to said altered state, of vibration.  Now, even if the vibes aren't a physical sensation you feel them as if they were.  So for all intents and purposes you experiences physical vibration.

Do you experience vibes? I experience them most of the time I project. In my case, they can't be reproduced by any device that would physically vibrate my body. I *think* that's true for most people. Again, I would compare the feeling of pre-projection vibes to sound waves before I'd ever compare them to physical vibration.

[SkepticBoy]

It may not work at all, but it seems plausible.  You'd just be tricking your brain.

Yeh I see someone gets what I am trying to do I think I did not make that clear in my op but yes although I would not really be inducing real vibrations straight off, I would be "prompting" the body into vibrations from the feeling. So yes tricking the body so to speak.

Problem I have now is what can I use to do this? its hard to find something that starts to vibrate on a timer. Anyone have an idea what I could use here?

[Astral316]

I understand perfectly what you're trying to do.

I would be "prompting" the body into vibrations from the feeling.

That's where I disagree. If you aren't replicating the feeling to any degree (which I explained before isn't the case in your feet vibrating scenario) you aren't tricking the brain. Even if you did the quoted statement is still just an assumption as it oversimplifies the process of getting out of body.

If the above doesn't sink in, buy a vibrating recliner with a timer built in. Unless you want to manufacture the device yourself that may be as close as you'll get and at least it'll be vibrating the whole body and not just the feet. Good luck!

[CFTraveler]

I'm surprised that no one has addressed this one key point (other than indirectly by  Astral316)- you seem to believe feeling vibes will cause projection.  As far as my experience, vibrations don't cause anything, they're a side effect that happens sometimes when you're on your way to project.  So even if you can reproduce them perfectly, they ain't gonna shake you loose.

[Xanth]

That's how I see them too CFT.

If you think that "inducing" vibrations is your end goal... you're gonna be stuck.
They're just a signpost... use them to guide you, but don't rely solely upon them.

[T.L.]

I am sure there are ways to trick your mind into the vibrational state. I experience them regularly and have before I even knew what projections were. Often times if I sit still and think about the buzzing/vibration that I experience strongly in the head and neck region I will end up hitting vibrations while physically sitting up... sometimes even walking around. So I don't think it's too far fetched to use a physical means to trick your brain and or mind into the vibrational state. But as someone else said that shouldn't be the only goal in mind either.

[blis]

I agree about vibrations not actually making anything happen.

But to me though, the OP's idea seems more like a reminder to your dreaming self to have a projection. We all know if you remember your body in the right way from an LD with the intention of projecting to the RTZ it can happen. Vibrating your feet seems worth a try if you associate vibrations with projecting.

Do you have a cell phone? You could set the alarm on it to vibrate and then strap it to your foot. Might be a bit too strong though and just wake you up.

Failing that I suppose you could get a vibrating controller for a game console and remove the vibrator. Then get an alarm clock that gets louder the longer the alarm goes on for. Remove the speaker from the alarm clock and connect the vibrator to the wire the speaker was connected to. You might also want to get a dimmer switch and put it between the alarm clock and the speaker so you can set how strongly it will vibrate.

[Highergoals]

I wouldn't hang on the vibrations personally because more often than not, such as in my case, there will be no metaphysical vibrations at all but instead just an instantaneous transition into the OBE,  Sometimes I get them and often not at all.

[astraladdict]

Grab an object that means alot to you, or think of someone that means alot to you. Fill yourself with love, that should help : )

[Highergoals]

Fill yourself with love, that should help : )
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Truer words could not be spoken

[astraladdict]

Love has a higher frequency

[personalreality]

I'm surprised that no one has addressed this one key point (other than indirectly by  Astral316)- you seem to believe feeling vibes will cause projection.  As far as my experience, vibrations don't cause anything, they're a side effect that happens sometimes when you're on your way to project.  So even if you can reproduce them perfectly, they ain't gonna shake you loose.

don't take my point too seriously.  i don't mean that you can have an artificial device that will perfectly replicate the feelings of vibrations that will in turn induce projection.  not gonna happen.  i'm just saying that you could potentially use some kind of physical vibration as a kind of memory trigger, just like if i were to use a particular essential oil everytime i meditated or projected.  in time, my brain would create a sense memory of my mind state when i smell that oil.  i know you're fully aware of that concept CFT, so i'm explaining it for others.  this is a very common trick in pretty much every spiritual tradition ever.  you create a habituated response to a stimulus that is designed to help you return to a particular state of mine quickly and easily, based on pairing a particular stimulus with the desired state of mind. 

now the vibrations (which i have felt Astral316, but don't normally), as i said, aren't physical sensations that are actually being perceived by your physical body.  there is no physical force that is actually acting on your body, producing vibrations and ejecting your consciousness from your body.  vibrations are (imo) the perception of the phase shift from physical to non-physical reality.  but in this situation, the nature of vibrations is absolutely irrelevant.  we don't care what they are and what they have to do with AP/OBE.  they are being invoked strictly as a conditioned stimulus paired with the experience of a conscious exit.  VIBRATIONS ARE NOT A CAUSE OF PROJECTION.  THEY ARE A SIDE EFFECT OF THE SHIFT IN PERCEPTION ONLY.  but that doesn't mean that we can't utilize them like we would a particular scent or sense of atmosphere.  so, if we could create a device that simulated vibrations similar to those experienced by projectors, it could, (in theory) replicate natural vibrations enough to activate the conditioned response that the brain has created relative to the vibes.  and what is that response?!  conscious exit (i know that not everyone feels the vibes, but if and when they do feel them, they are almost always paired with conscious exit.  so to address comments like Xanth's, that the vibes are a signpost and signposts are no good; the vibes aren't a signpost at all, they are natural secondary characteristics that people interpret as signposts, but in actuality they have only become signposts through simple classical conditioning, which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

so, again, in principle, an artificial vibration could trigger a conditioned response in the brain that brings about the proper state of mind conducive to conscious exit.

[Astral316]

So how do we go about creating a conditioned response (projecting with the use of artificial vibes) when you can't pair the target conditioned stimulus (artificial vibes) with the unconditioned stimulus (whatever naturally triggers vibes in the pre-projection state)? Classical conditioning only works if you're already getting vibes and projecting. This defeats the purpose.

[personalreality]

you misunderstood.

You don't need to create a conditioned relationship with the artificial vibrations.  I'm saying that by sheer virtue of being a similar sensation (you know, like little albert and white furry things), artificial vibrations could trigger a response in the brain that would normally arise at the presence of natural vibrations.

i want to make sure this is clear because i don't know how the new breed of AP/OBE-ers here at the pulse understand what vibrations are and do.  they don't do anything and they are nothing.  feeling vibes is not a definite sign that you are going to have a conscious exit.  some people feel them and some dont.  vibrations do not cause or induce anything.  they're just there.  but, many people do feel them every time they project, so it would stand to reason that the brain naturally creates a conditioned relationship (in this context that really just implies an expectation that when vibes happen, conscious exit is soon to follow).  so, it makes sense that if you were to apply a similar artificial vibration that it could trigger that expectation of conscious exit being imminent, which could bring about the right state of mind to project.

with that said, i'm not saying this is a legit exit technique.  i'm not even saying that it will work or that anyone should try it.  if someone did try it, the only way that it could really work is if you were able to identify the common point in your practice that vibrations occur, say they usually come after 30minutes of meditation, or you always wake up around 4am vibrating.  you would then have to find something that vibrates that you could put on a timer that would turn on as close to those times as possible.  even then, it's a long shot.  but in principle, the idea is sound. 

[Highergoals]

Love has a higher frequency

If people would take a breather from being too technical and analyze your few words, they would realize that practicing unconditional love makes OBE's far easier and more lasting.

[astraladdict]

If people would take a breather from being too technical and analyze your few words, they would realize that practicing unconditional love makes OBE's far easier and more lasting.

Thank you! Ever since i started dating my girl my OBE's have increased greatly!

[Highergoals]

Thank you! Ever since i started dating my girl my OBE's have increased greatly!

I can attest to the fact that if one is interested in Astral Projection, aside from the numerous ways to achieve it, practicing unconditional love has a huge advantage.  It removes all the energy blocks one has and more or less loosens everything up to make it really simple to "go out".

[urshebear]

When I wake up during the night I dont move not even an inch, this is the only way to trick your brain because your brain then thinks your still asleep therefore it paralyses your body to prevent you acting out in your dreams and that is when the vibrations start up.
If you had something on your foot vibrating, it would move you therefore I dont believe you could trick your brain this way.

I know what someone could invent to induce vibrations tho....

a quiet alarm that goes off after 3-5 hours of sleep and that would only go off for about 10 seconds and then turn off without you having to physically turn it off...
If you wake up to a short and quiet noise you can then lay there for a few seconds without even moving even an eyelid and your body will fall back asleep leaving you in a vibrational state....
I know this works because my son sleeps in my room and I can always induce OBEs when he makes noises in the night.

[personalreality]

I know what someone could invent to induce vibrations tho....

a quiet alarm that goes off after 3-5 hours of sleep and that would only go off for about 10 seconds and then turn off without you having to physically turn it off...
If you wake up to a short and quiet noise you can then lay there for a few seconds without even moving even an eyelid and your body will fall back asleep leaving you in a vibrational state....
I know this works because my son sleeps in my room and I can always induce OBEs when he makes noises in the night.

Myself and others on this forum (as well as many LD/AP instructors online such as Saltcube or Lucidology) have made mp3 tracks and computer software to function as a LD/AP alarm clock that wakes you up in odd increments early in the morning.  The principle is the same as what you describe.

[Lexy]

There is a phone app called sleep cycle clock but I don't know how well it works. I also saw a sleep cycle watch that has an alarm at amazon.