who says relgion is sane? messed up society!!

[Fourthdimension]

Firstly , I am not a person who believes in conspiracy theories or David Icke nor do i believe in aliens are search the skies for flying saucers.
I do not dismiss these claims. I do toss those ideas around in my head but none of them really enters my mainstream belief of reality i prefer to seperate the two.

Today whilst tossing these ideas around i decided to ask my friend her belives and she looked at me as if i need sectioned and threw in a cage and locked away.

I dont understand how mainstream religons such as christianity can claim there is a manifestation of a man in the sky that created everything and some how find this literal idea sane whilst dismissing ideas of aliens and astral projection as insane.

How can they find this any less sane than there ideas and concepts of god.

another thing i wanna moan about is that christianity and most other relgions agree that i have a soul. if I HAVE a soul then my soul is in my posession which must mean i can use it however i want since i am it and it is me.

so if i am this soul how is it cray to belive that i can use this soul and experience the world and others as purely just a soul. Ok well maybe it would sound a bit insane to some people but considering that christians say that I HAVE a soul but a man in the clouds sitting on a throne decides wether it goes to heaven or not. if it does nt it will go to hell . a place below the earth engulfed in fire with demonic figures whom torture and rape my poor soul . so then really if this is the case and i cant use my soul at all and god controls what happens to it then i cant really say I HAVE a soul.

so how can christians and other religons judge us on our belief when they sound like the total crazy people whos belief is based totally on some fantasy book created by over exagerated stories and a millenia of killing and murder and war all in the name of that man who according to them sits in the clouds.

damn hypocrits if there beliefs correct i must be able to shoot lighten bolts from my butt and melt objects with my eyes.

no offense to anyone of a main stream religon unless your one of the hypocrits in which i mentioned above who think there belives are the only right way to so called f****n salvation and if you are you need to get a life and stop dreaming and stay away from magic mushrooms cause there what got you into this mess to start with


thanks for reading

[Astral316]

I think it's easy to believe in a western religion when you're tricked by the illusion (ie the physical world is what connects us, not a collective unconscious.) The illusion isn't removed in a day and not many do it in a lifetime... so people are generally left with two options: western religion (christianity, islam, etc.) or science (atheism, agnosticism, etc.)

The people who choose religion...

A) Want to feel protected and guided by a higher power

B) Want to feel special (ie. belief that humans are the most/only intelligent beings in the universe)

C) Want to feel there is inherent justice in the universe (ie. hell)

D) Want to feel like something big is waiting for them after death (ie. heaven)

[CFTraveler]

Whoa, 4D!  Deep breaths.  

Today whilst tossing these ideas around i decided to ask my friend her belives and she looked at me as if i need sectioned and threw in a cage and locked away.

I dont understand how mainstream religons such as christianity can claim there is a manifestation of a man in the sky that created everything and some how find this literal idea sane whilst dismissing ideas of aliens and astral projection as insane.

How can they find this any less sane than there ideas and concepts of god.

Because most people who have taken on the cultural construct of christianity don't really believe the stories they were taught as  children.  They use the label to become part of a 'club' that makes themselves special and an excuse to exclude or feel superior to others of other religions.  
I don't know many people from other religions that do this but I do know many 'christians' who adopt this attitude in life.  Usually for political purposes.  But when you pin them down about what they really believe, most of them don't believe in anything at all, souls, or anything else.

another thing i wanna moan about is that christianity and most other relgions agree that i have a soul. if I HAVE a soul then my soul is in my posession which must mean i can use it however i want since i am it and it is me.

so if i am this soul how is it cray to belive that i can use this soul and experience the world and others as purely just a soul. Ok well maybe it would sound a bit insane to some people but considering that christians say that I HAVE a soul but a man in the clouds sitting on a throne decides wether it goes to heaven or not. if it does nt it will go to hell . a place below the earth engulfed in fire with demonic figures whom torture and rape my poor soul . so then really if this is the case and i cant use my soul at all and god controls what happens to it then i cant really say I HAVE a soul.

The ones who believe in a soul don't know or understand what it is supposed to be.  But mostly, most cultural christians don't believe in a soul, and are not interested in finding out the history of what it's supposed to be, where the idea came from and why it is preached the way it is preached.

so how can christians and other religons judge us on our belief when they sound like the total crazy people whos belief is based totally on some fantasy book created by over exagerated stories and a millenia of killing and murder and war all in the name of that man who according to them sits in the clouds.

Because the ones that really believe the stories, (the myths) and believe we have souls, etc.  don't know the history of their own religion (or deny it) and get their beliefs from what they've been taught by their clergy, which includes the ideas that 'we shouldn't do this' or the other.  It's not about spiritual understanding, is about the 'historicization of mythology' and what happens after, which is essentially superstition.

damn hypocrits if there beliefs correct i must be able to shoot lighten bolts from my butt and melt objects with my eyes.

I wouldn't call them hypocrites, because they really believe what they believe- however, I would call them deluded.

no offense to anyone of a main stream religon unless your one of the hypocrits in which i mentioned above who think there belives are the only right way to so called f****n salvation and if you are you need to get a life and stop dreaming and stay away from magic mushrooms cause there what got you into this mess to start with

Hee hee.  Deep breaths.  There you go.

thanks for reading

You're welcome.  It was interesting.  

[Fourthdimension]

Hehe Your right CFT. Had problems with the girlfriend AGAIN!!! lmao and felt like breaking something so instead i decided to pick on religion because if i told my girlfriend who ticked off she is making me she will probally cut my gentials off

It is ashame though how religon is prob ally the furthest thing away from god. Mainstream religion anyways

The thing is apart from the increase in people believing in new age relgions which is mostly due to conspiracy theories and astral projection and mostly due to believe in magic and paranormal activity whichto me is not at all what the new age religons are about and which can easily lead youu down the wrong route just like main stream religons but other than that i dont see main stream relgion becoming any closer to the concept of god ever because there so washed up in constant bulls***t and brain washing lol

Thanks for replying  and your right to Astral316

[CFTraveler]

Unfortunately, we humans tend to like our power no matter how 'advanced' we think we are.  So no matter how it starts, religions (all of them, including mine) usually end up about one group power grabbing and passing dogma/laws designed to take people's rights and freedoms away.
The same as politics.  All about power.

[Volgerle]

another thing i wanna moan about is that christianity and most other relgions agree that i have a soul.

They are wrong. You don't "HAVE" a soul. You ARE it.

[personalreality]

spaghetti monster

[Stookie]

Who are we to judge the people who we assume judge us?

[NoY]

Who are we to judge the people who we assume judge us?

your supposed to have sound judgement not no judgement 

:NoY:

[Lexy]

I think they are scared to death of going to hell and fire eternal,etc.
They have been taught since they were babies.  They never look within.Too afraid to even do that. Even if they question it or don't really believe, they pretend to for the sake of their families or use it to keep their family together. Its their path.

But you are right..what is this incredible hold religion has?
I think its the only path to God they know..and they want
to believe in something. Makes them feel righteous & better &
gives them hope plus they get to damn the heathens & heretics! 

[Stookie]

I know a lot of christians that aren't like that. Just because a person is religious doesn't mean they view everyone with different beliefs as evil people. It can happen, but it's far from being a rule. It seems judgmental to me.

And it's not necessarily just religion that makes people judge others. It just gives them a reason to do something they would probably do anyways. We all do it.

When you come across someone you've never met and they do something you consider stupid, it's easy to think "that person is stupid". But when it's one of your friends who does the exact same thing, you just think, "well, that's ____ for ya!". It's easier to judge people we don't know anything about - the more different they are, the more natural it is. It's not a religious thing, it's a human-nature thing.

[Lexy]

My opinion is based on people I know personally. Its one thing to judge people,
its quite another to condemn them. Historically this religious mentality has caused
more harm with wars, discrimination, and hatred than anything else. Sometimes
the bad outweighs the good. Of course there exists sweet, harmless religious
people but I don't give religion the credit for that. I think it is in their nature to
be good people. Its the people who purposely use religion as a means of control
that give religion a bad name.

[Stookie]

I agree to a point. I'm playing devils advocate as their aren't any religious people here to argue their side. I'm a devil for the christians. 

[Astral316]

Here's a reason why religion is good... it makes most people believe in an afterlife or at the very least think about it. I imagine expecting something after death makes the transition a lot easier and the destination a lot more inviting even if it is a "hollow heaven." Then you got your hardcore atheists who expect non-existence after death... they have "one life, one shot" so they cling to the physical after death (ie. ghost) or they are confused and/or oblivious to what's going on. Sure we are taking the "high road" by dabbling in the afterlife before death, but if my only options were skepticism or religion in the long run I'd go with the latter.

[Xanth]

Here's a reason why religion is good... it makes most people believe in an afterlife or at the very least think about it. I imagine expecting something after death makes the transition a lot easier and the destination a lot more inviting even if it is a "hollow heaven." Then you got your hardcore atheists who expect non-existence after death... they have "one life, one shot" so they cling to the physical after death (ie. ghost) or they are confused and/or oblivious to what's going on. Sure we are taking the "high road" by dabbling in the afterlife before death, but if my only options were skepticism or religion in the long run I'd go with the latter.

It's funny... I read that, an immediately imagined what an atheist would experience when they died.
I imagined a dude dead, scrunching his face up tightly with his eyes closed, thinking... "HA!!  See!!  There's nothing here!! Nothing at... hey... how am I still talking... where am I!?"  Then opening their eyes to whatever new reality frame they now find themselves.  hehe

[personalreality]

It seems to be protestants that suck.  The really Americanized ones.  There are a lot of cross-overs between Catholicism and Paganism though.  I have quite a few customers that call themselves Christo-pagans and others that call themselves things like Christian Witches.  Not to mention the central and south american latin folks and indians (indigenous peoples) took the catholic saints and whatnot and just added them to their own pantheon so to say.  They are often catholics that are heavily influenced by pagan traditions.  And on the whole, these people are down-to-earth and have a much greater (larger, expanded) perspective than their protestant counter-parts (who seem to often be very closed off and dogmatic).

I have a friend who is a Wiccan Priest but he calls himself a Christo-Pagan because he really loves the ritualistic side of catholicism and attends a catholic church regularly.  He says that he is christian in many ways, but he also worships the goddess (which is painfully absent from christian traditions, even though she existed in early christian teachings as Sophia, wisdom) and nature. 

[CFTraveler]

I grew up spanish-catholic, and when I moved here and went to an irish-catholic church found it to be a completely different animal.
When I was working at my Unity church we used to get two Methodist ministers who practiced in their own church somewhere up north (North US), but when they came south they went to our church, because they didn't like the Southern Methodist churches here.
So I'm not sure that the problem is with a whole culture or even branch of religion, but with regional entrenched mentalities, if you know what I mean.