you are mentally ill?

[personalreality]

perhaps i should be more aware of my tone. 

you misunderstand my intention.

you are beyond your right in forcing your social experiments on others.

i'm a solitary person, but even i recognize the importance of community.

i find the world and it's inhabitants abhorrent in so many ways.  but individually, people have personal history, they have a life story.  each one of us, even you, have meaning.  i can't disregard the feelings of one because i dislike the whole.

let it be clear that beyond what i perceive as a transgression on the will of your fellow humans, i have no ill will toward you.

i did not intend to claim authority, merely a serious suggestion.  i have no authority other than what you give me.

[alfalfa]

I'm still waiting for the value (valuable?) contributions.

maybe you should stop waiting and start seeking then?

perhaps i should be more aware of my tone. 

you misunderstand my intention.

you are beyond your right in forcing your social experiments on others.

i'm a solitary person, but even i recognize the importance of community.

i find the world and it's inhabitants abhorrent in so many ways.  but individually, people have personal history, they have a life story.  each one of us, even you, have meaning.  i can't disregard the feelings of one because i dislike the whole.

let it be clear that beyond what i perceive as a transgression on the will of your fellow humans, i have no ill will toward you.

i did not intend to claim authority, merely a serious suggestion.  i have no authority other than what you give me.

oh your on to something with that life histroy, do you see the uselessness of judgeing an individual?
there i kinda feel like pointing out that i never judged a person in this topic, there i have been holding back, i only ask questions and look at reactions, i never claim that i am correct with my assumptions, i merely ask questions, ... for science :P (allways say that now cuz i played portal 2 lol)
so now i ask you how you come to the conclusion that i enforce something on someone?
oh man you make it seem like im a devil 

[Xanth]

You know the old addage: Don't feed the trolls.  LoL

[personalreality]

but it's fun to feed trolls.  eventually they eat too much and collapse under their own weight.

[alfalfa]

ah now i feel like u thinking u so cool talking about me but not to me, blabla feed trolls, this is very intresting
you like join together to try to increase the effect of your words
you seem like children to me?
hmmmm because u cant reason?
ye you seem to have lost your logic there and u dont wanna give up beeing tough boys

[Volgerle]

,,Most vocal non-believers and closed-minded skeptics are as wrapped up in their beliefs as those they ridicule or disagree with. The main difference is that they are more apt to deny that their beliefs are beliefs. (...) These folks are sure, that if they and their peer group have no direct experience of a larger reality, the larger reality must be the product of delusion. (The delusional always believe that they are non-delusional and that the non-delusional are delusional - such is the nature of delusion.)"

- T. Campbell, NASA nuclear physicist & consciousness researcher

[Fourthdimension]

alfalfa until i met u i didnt realise how delusional and how much people have there heads stuck up there butt.


now i know because you alfalfa are the most delusional person here and you have your head stuck so far up your butt you probally can practically taste your own excrement.

i mean you say nobody has logic and everyone is judemental but the thing is your the judgemental person and your the one with no logic and you have nothing worthy to say.

i agree with them all that you should be banned . in short your a head do'er . trying to convince yourself everyone is inferior to you. you have such a long way to go before you see beyond your ignorance.

alfalfa you should do your self a favor and delte your own account that way you can convince yourself you were too good for us and thats why you left lmao...blind ignorance lmao. rather than stookie banning your delusional butt.

[personalreality]

ah now i feel like u thinking u so cool talking about me but not to me, blabla feed trolls, this is very intresting
you like join together to try to increase the effect of your words
you seem like children to me?
hmmmm because u cant reason?
ye you seem to have lost your logic there and u dont wanna give up beeing tough boys

you got me.  i fancy myself some kind of "tough guy" and i think i'm super cool.

[d3nd3]

If alfalfa is a troll, okay lets define troll as being someone who is looking for an argument, looking for trouble and negative emotions.  And that is a big IF statement ... because there is no certainty in it.  Right .. so we are about to discuss something which has no certainty ( for the sake of those people who love to SPEND TIME on if statements ( assumptions ) ) ... Then why are you giving the troll what he wants? Why are you letting the troll continually manipulate and control your behaviour and emotions? Do you feel okay with that??? Could it be Ego Maybe. Think about it ..

Okay now we are outside the if statement .. its not a troll CONDITION. Which is the condition you should all be on because you haven't certainty.  These guys talking about banning, what the hell haha, come on stop this foolishness, everyone is entitled to their opinion and nobody here is empty of problems, just because you cannot see a problem in yourself , it doesn't mean you are problem-free lol ( yes that does mean that me, the poster here has problems:D come on help me guys joking^^ i dont go looking for help, i have learnt that one by now )

Do you guys really think that you have this amazing "free will" , if i were you, i would not be so keen to believe that you do.  Not in this day of age anyway:P where there are xxx things from with the systems we live in.  Although alfalfa's lines might appear punchy and often rude, they have great deepness to them and allow you to detach yourself from yourself (lol).  And if alfalfa seems punchy, ask yourself why? what is it he is talkign about? a sensitive topic maybe? Bring down the shields guys and accept that there are very fundamentally wrong things in the way we behave.  And most of all, respect the efforts which he is has put into coming here and sharing his hard work.  I do not believe i can change anythign here , i just wanted to share my opinion, like always .. do as your will will desire you to do , my men of astral pusle 

[personalreality]

please, ask around the forum.  ask them if personalreality is an uptight, mild mannered, tight-lipped kind of guy.

in fact, i use a similar technique to alfalfa when speaking to people here.  i'm often rather blunt, some might even say cavalier with my statements.  this isn't the problem.

the problem is that this is forum about astral projection and little else.  we are here to share experiences, discuss technique and to some extent speculate on the nature of such experiences.  this is not what you or your buddy are doing.  you are not contributing to the community, you are not sharing personal experiences, you are not speculating on the nature of such phenomena from personal experience.  both of you have done nothing but preach the "good word", telling us how ego driven we all are and how chances are we are making all this up to soothe our repressed egos.  you're both full of $hit.  i'm a psychology major and I can tell you right now that you are throwing words around like you have any idea what you're talking about.  do you even understand what an ego is?  the ego is the result of tension between natural instincts and the demands of society (id and superego respectively).  EVERYONE has an ego, you would crumble into psychosis if you didn't.  the goal isn't to be rid of the ego, it is the cleanse the ego and find the proper balance between id and superego, which can only be done through the ego.  you're talking out of your butt about new age concepts that you obviously disapprove of, and i don't disagree.  but this isn't the place for your ranting and illumination.  we don't care, we don't want to hear it.  why can't both of you get it through your heads that you're not doing anything here but getting in the way of our growth and development.  you're not opening any eyes, you're not providing us with the great revelation that bring us to enlightenment.  the babbling crap that you are spouting is something i came upon all on my own when i was in high school, over 10 years ago.  i learned that knowledge, assimilated it and moved on to practice.  once upon a time i too felt it necessary to try to open the eyes of the zombies, to try to wake them all up, but it's not my responsibility.  they will find their truth when they are ready.  beyond that, it's none of my fuc*ing business what people do and neither is it yours.

bottom line, we are trying to do something here that is important to us and you're just trying to sh*t all over us for no apparent reason other than you think you know something that we don't and you are trying your damnedest to make sure we see the light.

well, let me enlighten you for a change, the light has been seen, thank you for your help, move on.

[d3nd3]

Why did you post that? EDIT :: the only reason i post is because i care about the emotional balance put on someone's shoulder, who's emotional balance are you looking out for?

EDIT2 : let the people speak for them self, forget your past experience in psychology, and your past experience on this forum, forget your post count and what ever else you want to bring into this post.  The world is a very big place , don't assume you have earnt a certain place above others.  And who excactly do you think you are, requesting our voices to be silenced?

[personalreality]

quit with the "make them think questions".

i posted it so that you might understand how i perceived yourself and your buddy.

also so that you might understand why what you're doing isn't what this forum is for, which makes you trolls.

it doesn't really matter much, but if you two were serious about having legit conversations with the members of the forum, i wanted you to participate.  but you refuse to tone it down and share honest opinions about the topics in this forum.  that's pretty much it.  i'd love for you both to stick around and share what you know, but you're not interested in much else than preaching your truth.  which is really what we're all doing in a way, but we try to be open to sharing truths, not just oppressing others with them.

and i would like you to stop assuming that you know who i am.  i'm quite aware of my emotional balance, i don't need your help.  though i thank you for your concern friend.

[d3nd3]

i'm glad you are valueing my efforts to make you think.  Okay, well I am seeing you do more than just perceive, I am seeing you trying to control things to a level which is beyond your ability to understand.  This forum is for Astral Projections, Discussing Out of Body Experiences and alfalfa clearly stated that he wanted to discuss a possibility that the cause of such a phenomenon was mental illness, sorry if that touches a nerves to some of you guys. But biological diseases, malfunctioning and other hinderences do happen, it would be naive for you to ignore this.

There was never a tone too high, thats just your opinion there, if anyone's tone is too high its the person who used the word troll first, but hey who he is going to worry about that guy who caused a knock on effect of high tones? who? tell me please...

What are you interested in ? I am interested in much much more than just preaching the truth :: because preaching just the truth would be so incredibly boring wouldn't it? I mean who here ever wants to know the truth ^^ they must be crazy !!!  I am open, so is alfalfa ::like i said already, its how you are judging him to be rude which is the problem.

I don't know who you are :: but you are so keen to try and produce an online profile of who others are supposed to see you as , that i can't help myself but think that you  " BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP " .. there .. is that how you like it ? a nice sweet clean bleeped out version ^^ . Ok you have a nice emotional balance , that is why your emotional balance is transcending other's balance to a state where they feel like dirt on the floor?

Ty friend for this fiery discussion

[alfalfa]

please, ask around the forum.  ask them if personalreality is an uptight, mild mannered, tight-lipped kind of guy.

in fact, i use a similar technique to alfalfa when speaking to people here.  i'm often rather blunt, some might even say cavalier with my statements.  this isn't the problem.

the problem is that this is forum about astral projection and little else.  we are here to share experiences, discuss technique and to some extent speculate on the nature of such experiences.  this is not what you or your buddy are doing.  you are not contributing to the community, you are not sharing personal experiences, you are not speculating on the nature of such phenomena from personal experience.  both of you have done nothing but preach the "good word", telling us how ego driven we all are and how chances are we are making all this up to soothe our repressed egos.  you're both full of $hit.  i'm a psychology major and I can tell you right now that you are throwing words around like you have any idea what you're talking about.  do you even understand what an ego is?  the ego is the result of tension between natural instincts and the demands of society (id and superego respectively).  EVERYONE has an ego, you would crumble into psychosis if you didn't.  the goal isn't to be rid of the ego, it is the cleanse the ego and find the proper balance between id and superego, which can only be done through the ego.  you're talking out of your butt about new age concepts that you obviously disapprove of, and i don't disagree.  but this isn't the place for your ranting and illumination.  we don't care, we don't want to hear it.  why can't both of you get it through your heads that you're not doing anything here but getting in the way of our growth and development.  you're not opening any eyes, you're not providing us with the great revelation that bring us to enlightenment.  the babbling crap that you are spouting is something i came upon all on my own when i was in high school, over 10 years ago.  i learned that knowledge, assimilated it and moved on to practice.  once upon a time i too felt it necessary to try to open the eyes of the zombies, to try to wake them all up, but it's not my responsibility.  they will find their truth when they are ready.  beyond that, it's none of my fuc*ing business what people do and neither is it yours.

bottom line, we are trying to do something here that is important to us and you're just trying to sh*t all over us for no apparent reason other than you think you know something that we don't and you are trying your damnedest to make sure we see the light.

well, let me enlighten you for a change, the light has been seen, thank you for your help, move on.

oh wow thank you for that insight into your personality, i am guna go ahead and analyse you, yes , analysing is not topic of this forum but i have deep urges to do science, if you look at the topic start you see that i try to stay on topic, the conversation got led to another aspects because you people feel emotions

you do not seem like a mannerd person to me because you use things to get authority like saying your big psychologist and stuff
i kinda feel pitty that u so hard want to talk about yourself, those 2 first sentences causes pitty, i will follow the science so this might sounds like its hurting you , but you are an unimportant person, a test object, science is many people
i do not share experiences because i dont think that i experience somethinig from worth, im just dreaming about sexy girls lol
i will share my experience if it will do good for science, but untill then i have other intresting topics about out of body experiences
you talking with generalisations about me, you form judgements based on unstable logic, your judgements are to no worth to me, yes we maybe have different definitions of ego, i can explain u what i understand under it
i did something wrong in my logic, now someone tells me that, but i say that i did not use wrong logic because i want to be a good human makeing right things, but there i become ignorant
i see you are very confused
yes i am not smart enough to teach you, i will try to improve my teaching skills to make you understand more easily
you feel this emotion where you give up on people, you can have many reasons to why you want to help a person, i for my behalf am intrested in science, it is like one hand washes the other situaion, i too felt this emotion of giving up on zeh zombies, but rly you cant say that in general, it depends on your reasoning, do you want to live in an enviroment which you prefer? how strong u want to live in that enviroment u dreaming of? or do you think one should never try and help another person? because one never can know the right answers? i on my behalf have been teached by my idol d3nd3, and it was very nice of him for enlightening me and i will be thankfull for the rest of eternity

what can i say : / .. you would have to go back to when you created the judgement of me wanting to shush you and analyse again, if you do, tell us your travel in the past , the root of your emotion, ... for science

love & peace
alfalfa

quit with the "make them think questions".

i posted it so that you might understand how i perceived yourself and your buddy.

also so that you might understand why what you're doing isn't what this forum is for, which makes you trolls.

it doesn't really matter much, but if you two were serious about having legit conversations with the members of the forum, i wanted you to participate.  but you refuse to tone it down and share honest opinions about the topics in this forum.  that's pretty much it.  i'd love for you both to stick around and share what you know, but you're not interested in much else than preaching your truth.  which is really what we're all doing in a way, but we try to be open to sharing truths, not just oppressing others with them.

and i would like you to stop assuming that you know who i am.  i'm quite aware of my emotional balance, i don't need your help.  though i thank you for your concern friend.

oh , a new post,
thank you for telling us how you perceive, you are helping science with your brave step
i am in general a very honest person, if you want to help me u need to show me a situation where u think i am not honest
oh well preaching blabla , we have that coverd, it is probably ur confusion which makes you think that, i am very carefull about what i tell others, but anyway , if ur intend is really to help us, show me zeh situations

oh my , i found intresting
you belive that i am oppressing my opinions on others, there it is obviouse to see that i talk in "?" and "maybe" ' s^^
but yet you belive it, so maybe (!) you cannot accept that i talk about a logic here which goes against yours, so there ur ego comes in place and creates ignorance aroud u?
it would explain why you so determined to tell us your judgements and beliefs
who knows who knows (!)
i am doeing it for science, analysing... nothing opinionated and opressing

i never assumed that i know who you are, i merely analyse your behavior

ok now!
PEACE AAAND LOVE!
alfalfa

[personalreality]

you are quite welcome.  i too have enjoyed this exchange.

i have little interest in my online persona, or how i am perceived by others.  no one aside from me is capable of understanding my perception of reality, so why would i care?  

since it may not have been done yet, i will address alfalfa's seemingly neutral question that was only intended to ask a legit question, certainly not meant to rile people up with no end game.

firstly, what is mental illness?  the problem with psychological pathology is that it is based out of one perspective, the modern scientific materialist perspective.  in the field of mental studies (psychology, psychiatry, sociology, social work, etc.) pathology is defined as being essentially any mental function that makes people incapable of functioning as any other normal civilized person.  to me that is biased and not valid.  like i said, i'm a psych major (bachelors degree within a few months, with the plan of continuing through phd) and i think about mental disorders a lot.  mostly because i'm disgusted by the label.  i don't believe in mental disorders, illness, pathology, whatever you want to call it.  i think the DSM is the biggest load of bull i've ever heard of.  people don't have mental disorders, they have unique lives that make them see the world in a unique way.  some of these people may not fit into the plan of society at large, that doesn't mean they are diseased.  a biological condition is perhaps a little different, but you mean to tell me that all of us in this forum and all of the people who believe in the reality of AP have biological brain damage?

the schism between the world of science and the world of spirituality has created monsters that are entirely shut off from one side or the other.  science and spirituality used to be the same thing, i'd like to see that come about again.  as it stands however, the two worlds are hard up to come together.  it seems fitting that science would like to see what we do and what we believe in as pathological.  that's the hard part about such a topic, it requires a little faith.  scientists (of the great church of scientism, ie the mainstream, science isn't inherently bad, the closed-minded people who preach the truths of science are) seem to be generally opposed to faith (though they sure do put a lot of faith in their science, which is little more than a new religion to me).  they want proof and nothing else.  it's a tough break, but the realm of the otherworlds is subtle, it's abstract, it's beyond the concrete reality that we focus on most of our lives.  if you are willing you let go and believe in all of this for just a little while, you might be surprised at the reality of it all.  when it comes down to it, we believe because we have experienced something profound and we're doing our best to explain it.

there are some "supposed mental illnesses" that can cause people to feel like they are out of their body, like schizophrenia.  but the implication is that unless we are all mentally ill, that we are intentionally inducing some kind of psychosis in order to experience these things.  that's a bit outlandish to me.  do you not dream?  if you do are you equally crazy?  or is you dream just random neural firing?  a natural function of the brain so it's ok.  to be honest, i don't know the nature of such experiences, but i don't claim to have those answers.  it may be entirely likely that these are imaginary journeys that we are undertaking.  that's fine with me really.  it's still impeccable control over our mind to be able to completely disconnect from the body and feel as if we are living in our imagination.  on the other hand, there is quite a bit of evidence supporting psi-phenomena (a great meta-analysis of psi research over the last 70 years can be found in a book called "Entangled Minds" by Dean Radin).  the reality of an interconnection between all minds isn't so far-fetched in the realm of science these days.  i wouldn't find it to be too big of a leap to apply the same findings to otherworld experiences.

i don't believe that we are all just delusional and mentally ill.  i have experienced the reality of these experiences first hand, and i feel that i have a pretty firm grasp on my sanity (or at least understand my insanity, lol).  like i said, i don't know exactly what they are and i don't really care.  i have felt it for myself and i intend to continue the practice.

now, if you and your buddy are serious (and not just trolls), then i except a serious response.  your move friend (and i mean that, i harbor no hard feelings, i consider you and alfalfa to be friends, fellow travelers).

[personalreality]

alfalfa, i posted a response to your question, but i still want to be clear about a few things. 

i didn't claim to be a "big psychologist" and i want to make sure that is clear to the forum.  i am a psychology student.  it would be irresponsible for me to say otherwise because someone may think that my opinion is a substitute for genuine medical assistance in a situation that may require consultation with a doctor.  i only shared that tidbit about myself so that you would both know that you weren't speaking to someone who had no idea what you were talking about.  so that you would know that i was familiar with the topics you were discussing.  not claiming any kind of superiority or greater knowledge than you. 

i shared personal information about myself so that you, i and d3nd3 would understand eachother's motivations a little better.  i want you both to know that i have no personal problem with you and neither of you have offended me.  i haven't made judgments about your character and i wouldn't dream of doing so based on internet forum posts.  my comments have been strictly based on your posts thus far. 

i enjoy the back and forth, i really do, which is why this thread has pretty much just turned into me you and d3nd3.  everyone else is over it.  but i'm still having fun.  so read my legitimate response to your post and we'll go from there.

[d3nd3]

I value your post which was on topic :: My opinion is that the topic raises a possibility, which shouldn't be dismissed because there is no evidence for it to be dismissed.  The evidence you supplied is very minor, and it can easily be cancelled out to the other side with no effort at all.  So the OP produces open-mindness , open-mindness to calm down the esoteric spiritualists.


I was just thinking about how this forum seems to be working ... considering myself and alfalfa are newcomers, we aren't familiar with the style ( culture / operating system ) that the forum community runs under.  From my analysis I see that t you have a fixed topic at the start :: and you are expected to stay on that topic, else seen as a troll for bringing other problems into the topic.  

I have to accept that :: because i am by no means going to challenge a culture ^^ .. hard enough trying to do that here in my life now with my family and country you know what i mean?!

So yea .. to sum it up : this ain't an open forum to discussion about people and life in general, as much as i wish it would be , because the nature of the curiosity which exists inside us all, which drove us here, is often related to life its self, and all the other branches which come out of that.

Personally, i rather dislike subjects , walls, divisions .. but if thats how you folks want it to be . With rules, laws, control and regulations. It don't seem too much different from my home country The United Kingdom.  Are you passing over a culture onto a virtual world? ^^ Its ok if you are : Again i have no power here ... A free naked culture-less man .  

PS : I won't be causing any more out of topic posts, aiming at anyone in particular OR caring about your problems etcetc.. its all too much of a "playing with fire" situation for my likes. Thank you all.

Peace & Love
d3nd3
xxx

[CFTraveler]

...Retracted.

[personalreality]

i saw it before you retracted it CFT.
lol.

d3nd3,
i agree, i too dislike labels and definitions.  unfortunately the rest of the world seems to enjoy them.

[alfalfa]

you are quite welcome.  i too have enjoyed this exchange.

i have little interest in my online persona, or how i am perceived by others.  no one aside from me is capable of understanding my perception of reality, so why would i care? 

since it may not have been done yet, i will address alfalfa's seemingly neutral question that was only intended to ask a legit question, certainly not meant to rile people up with no end game.

firstly, what is mental illness?  the problem with psychological pathology is that it is based out of one perspective, the modern scientific materialist perspective.  in the field of mental studies (psychology, psychiatry, sociology, social work, etc.) pathology is defined as being essentially any mental function that makes people incapable of functioning as any other normal civilized person.  to me that is biased and not valid.  like i said, i'm a psych major (bachelors degree within a few months, with the plan of continuing through phd) and i think about mental disorders a lot.  mostly because i'm disgusted by the label.  i don't believe in mental disorders, illness, pathology, whatever you want to call it.  i think the DSM is the biggest load of bull i've ever heard of.  people don't have mental disorders, they have unique lives that make them see the world in a unique way.  some of these people may not fit into the plan of society at large, that doesn't mean they are diseased.  a biological condition is perhaps a little different, but you mean to tell me that all of us in this forum and all of the people who believe in the reality of AP have biological brain damage?

the schism between the world of science and the world of spirituality has created monsters that are entirely shut off from one side or the other.  science and spirituality used to be the same thing, i'd like to see that come about again.  as it stands however, the two worlds are hard up to come together.  it seems fitting that science would like to see what we do and what we believe in as pathological.  that's the hard part about such a topic, it requires a little faith.  scientists (of the great church of scientism, ie the mainstream, science isn't inherently bad, the closed-minded people who preach the truths of science are) seem to be generally opposed to faith (though they sure do put a lot of faith in their science, which is little more than a new religion to me).  they want proof and nothing else.  it's a tough break, but the realm of the otherworlds is subtle, it's abstract, it's beyond the concrete reality that we focus on most of our lives.  if you are willing you let go and believe in all of this for just a little while, you might be surprised at the reality of it all.  when it comes down to it, we believe because we have experienced something profound and we're doing our best to explain it.

there are some "supposed mental illnesses" that can cause people to feel like they are out of their body, like schizophrenia.  but the implication is that unless we are all mentally ill, that we are intentionally inducing some kind of psychosis in order to experience these things.  that's a bit outlandish to me.  do you not dream?  if you do are you equally crazy?  or is you dream just random neural firing?  a natural function of the brain so it's ok.  to be honest, i don't know the nature of such experiences, but i don't claim to have those answers.  it may be entirely likely that these are imaginary journeys that we are undertaking.  that's fine with me really.  it's still impeccable control over our mind to be able to completely disconnect from the body and feel as if we are living in our imagination.  on the other hand, there is quite a bit of evidence supporting psi-phenomena (a great meta-analysis of psi research over the last 70 years can be found in a book called "Entangled Minds" by Dean Radin).  the reality of an interconnection between all minds isn't so far-fetched in the realm of science these days.  i wouldn't find it to be too big of a leap to apply the same findings to otherworld experiences.

i don't believe that we are all just delusional and mentally ill.  i have experienced the reality of these experiences first hand, and i feel that i have a pretty firm grasp on my sanity (or at least understand my insanity, lol).  like i said, i don't know exactly what they are and i don't really care.  i have felt it for myself and i intend to continue the practice.

now, if you and your buddy are serious (and not just trolls), then i except a serious response.  your move friend (and i mean that, i harbor no hard feelings, i consider you and alfalfa to be friends, fellow travelers).

oh wow such an intrested person, science must he his number one priority

i have little interest in my online persona, or how i am perceived by others.  no one aside from me is capable of understanding my perception of reality, so why would i care?

ah u dont care what others think of u, confidence? why do you feel the need of telling us that? could it be that u had this realisation and now trying here to show off your personality? lol then u would be ignorant, its kind of a rat trap , thats intresting, one found valuable information but is not able to to get use out of it because he is not on the mentally deep and honest level required to use it


again showing off your psych major stuff , do you like feel you get humiliated by science?
i see you falling into the same traps again, u try to judge me, u cant do that bro :/

talking about stuff from humans : / sorry that has no worth to my type of science, people step into the foodsteps from people before them without questioning it : /
u talkin of stereotypes : / those have no use either, science is very picky theese days

i seek definate answers yes, that does not mean i will ignorantly ignore certain aspects i see in this life, i have a formd a grounded view from what i perceive in this world i find myself suddenly in

with mentally ill i mean that people do stuff which hurts their own system, i do apologize for i am not very familiar with ur human words

maybe you should go in the woods all by your self and live there for a year, create your own perspectives and your own opinions and analysis and systems and ideas, getting free from the worlds controling stereotypes and thinking structures

[CFTraveler]

C'mon Xanth, I am sure that Stookie would ban alfalfa!  Dende's ok, but alfalfa is clearly a troll.

[personalreality]

*sigh*

well, that's it.  i'm done.  i tried to address the topic you posted, but you still just want to make this personal.

good day sir.

[alfalfa]

*sigh*

well, that's it.  i'm done.  i tried to address the topic you posted, but you still just want to make this personal.

good day sir.

oh from my view we are right on topic there talking about stereo type thinking ( for me mental illness aswell since it hurts  the own system )
haha funny how different people can see such huge difference in things

edit: from my view i think that nothing is personal here since we dont know each other

[Xanth]

C'mon Xanth, I am sure that Stookie would ban alfalfa!  Dende's ok, but alfalfa is clearly a troll.

At this point, I completely agree. 

[Fourthdimension]

CFT and PR i am confused lmao.....what is retracted? and why?