so first rule of AP. you dont talk about ap hahah

[the8reader]

So you guys reckon if a form of therapy involving AP was developed, schizophrenics wouldn't benefit from it? Despite the materialistic view, science acknowledges OOBEs/AP to be a real phenomenon, albeit misunderstood. So my question is: why not test this thing that is so misunderstood in order to see if it works as therapy on the mentally ill?

Regardless of the New Age mumbo jumbo, of course. Beliefs on its nature here are not concerned, just whether it can function as a 'remedy' or not.

Or perhaps people are reluctant to do this altogether because they fear ridicule. For some, talking about this is academic suicide. What do you guys think?

agree with this 110% i think they dont want to try it cuz it could work and may give thoes people more power than they 1. can handle 2. maby it might make them worse. but how do you know till you try. and it wouldent be that hard to fine some one and try some home tests hahah. but waht if you do help them, were do you go from there if you do cure or make it a controlled skitzo. and what do you think he could tell you when he/she could controle it. sounds like it would be a good experiment.. but it may turn out bad all the same.

[Summerlander]

Yes... very!!

^^And lips and gums too when you rub the powder on them. It's an anaesthetic. By the way, where is this question coming from? Did someone make an association between cocaine and 'not talking about AP'?

were do you go from there if you do cure or make it a controlled skitzo.

I guess the skitzo would have to 'cure' himself. Perhaps curing entails facing many nightmares and the therapy may be too much for some...like 'mental chemo-therapy'...

[personalreality]

I think curing a schizophrenic (you need to say schizophrenic because there is a personality disorder called Schizoid Type Personality Disorder and they are often called schizos too.  well, not really, no one says schizo, it's kind of pejorative, offensive.) would be incredibly difficult because the problem isn't in their "disorder", the problem is that they have spent their entire lives (usually schizophrenia doesn't present until the early 20s) being programmed to view reality in the same way as everyone else.  Then suddenly everything changes and they don't know how to cope.  Perhaps if schizophrenia can be genetically identified at birth, proper perceptual training can be provided so that when the individual reaches maturity and presents with schizophrenic symptoms, their perception will already be suited to handle the schism in their mind.  This is actually exactly what a shaman does.  They go to the otherworlds where their guides help them identify the next apprentice (perhaps a child born with energetic markers for schizophrenia).  The child is then raised in the shamanic tradition so that when their visionary experience presents, they are prepared. 

This also raises and interesting insight.  Perhaps modern day schizophrenia is a genetic ghost of a lineage of shamans from the 'foretime', before our recorded history.  Naturally it has been mutated and transformed by pressures from society over the millenia, but the remnant still exists.

[Summerlander]

^^Perhaps but, in our society, such individuals are dysfunctional and need to get their head excrement sorted out.

[Stillwater]

Yeah, "curing" is also something that does not come up much in a discussion of schizophrenia. True schizophrenics generally have their condition for their entire lives; there are some cases where the symptoms level off over time, and in rare instances clear up completely, but most are generally not "cured".  The cases where symptoms do seem to disappear, it is not well understood why. I know for the longest time it is was just straight tranqulizers like thorazine for many schizophrenics, and they say that lowers symptom rates... but then it lowers thinking and all neural activity period... so I am not so sure that is treatment as much as it is a way to tune them down so the staff does not need to use as much force to compell them.

[the8reader]

Yeah, "curing" is also something that does not come up much in a discussion of schizophrenia. True schizophrenics generally have their condition for their entire lives; there are some cases where the symptoms level off over time, and in rare instances clear up completely, but most are generally not "cured".  The cases where symptoms do seem to disappear, it is not well understood why. I know for the longest time it is was just straight tranqulizers like thorazine for many schizophrenics, and they say that lowers symptom rates... but then it lowers thinking and all neural activity period... so I am not so sure that is treatment as much as it is a way to tune them down so the staff does not need to use as much force to compell them.

i like this! and when is a cure i ment as such so they could controle it. not so much acctully cure it. but cured in the sense that it dosent bother them. or they can use it. maby the gov. has already looked into this and its blacklisted. who knows. haha

[personalreality]

there is no such thing as a "cure" for anything, because nothing needs to be cured, merely understood and accepted.

physical ailment can be treated, but the truth underlying the condition must be understood or you're still just treating symptoms.

there are deeper concerns regarding illness that our science doesn't recognize, energetic considerations.