Observation of the Obvious

[Astral316]

Yeah right, like you're interested in my response.

Actually, I am... believe it or not. An interest of mine is understanding all perspectives no matter how ridiculous they are compared to my own. But I don't need to introduce my beliefs in this thread, just common logic. When someone tells me, "You're going to hell but you can change it." I'm going to ask, "Okay, how?" You beg us to keep this thread on topic, it doesn't get more on topic. So... your answer?

[Summerlander]

Godsproxy, if you believe you will go to hell then that's exactly what will happen. And this is an observation of the obvious. there you go, it's on topic now.

[Stookie_]

I know I've been begging from the start, but could we possibly discuss the content of what I am posting instead of why or whether I should be posting here?

That's what I've been trying to figure out. Before I decide to post (or stop posting) in this thread again, could you please summarize what the subject of this thread is? I really don't know. I keep looking for the content and can't find it.

[Summerlander]

Same here. I'm lost. I'm baffled. But I suspect it's the same thing again...Earth is hell and when you die you go to a another hell worse than this one unless you have Godsproxy's and ether2's knowledge.

Godsproxy and ether2, has it ever occurred to you to look at the town you live in from above rather than driving through it with a map and no destination?

Just when you think you know something, consider other perspectives...

[Astral316]

Yea, I keep posting in this thread trying to extract some sort of useful knowledge from it... wouldn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater ya know? Though the way he dances around logical questions that clearly back him into a corner... I think it's more a case of throwing the turd out with the toilet.

[Summerlander]

  ^^^

Now that is entertaining!

[NoY]

Are we the sort of tribe that needs an outsider or a victim,
I mean if you don't agree with it why post in a thread they started

I have seen lots of near arguments over the last two weeks and really its embarrassing
we should be bigger than this and more tolerant



:NoY:

[CFTraveler]

Are we the sort of tribe that needs an outsider or a victim,
I mean if you don't agree with it why post in a thread they started

I have seen lots of near arguments over the last two weeks and really its embarrassing
we should be bigger than this and more tolerant



:NoY:

I agree with you Nodes, but I still want to know what their proposed solution is- what can we do to avoid this hell? 

[Summerlander]

Yes but I believe people should be confronted about the way they come across. sometimes it's the only way they learn. It let's them know that perhaps they should change their approach. If they still don't take heed of the feedback then we should treat them with contempt.

[Astral316]

I'm all for being the picture perfect pacifist... but when someone comes on here promoting beliefs that inspire fear they deserve to be questioned. Who knows what naive kid will read his posts, see a bunch of comments collaborating his ideas and take them as fact? False prophets should be exposed, simple as that.

[Szaxx]

@ Noy
Best post on this one.
Nice to read an enlightened comment.
Keep it up and the world is saved, if the rest dont mind.

[Summerlander]

I'm all for being the picture perfect pacifist... but when someone comes on here promoting beliefs that inspire fear they deserve to be questioned. Who knows what naive kid will read his posts, see a bunch of comments collaborating his ideas and take them as fact? False prophets should be exposed, simple as that.

I believe in that too. In fact I don't think it's constructive at all to tiptoe around condescending people. Not constructive for us and not constructive for them either. They need to be exposed and find a thing called empathy rather than having their 'it's my view and no-one else's' attitude.

I believe it is the opposite of enlightening to just pretend their behaviour or beliefs are ok...ESPECIALLY when they incite fear (the whole demons thing) or promote offensive and discriminating beliefs about homosexuality...it's dangerous.

[Astral316]

^ Yup. People think enlightenment and think extreme pacifism... they act "enlightened", so they're automatically "enlightened." Buddha taught the middle way... and in this case I think we're doing a good job of that. We aren't sitting on our hands but we aren't straight bashing this guy either. I just want a few simple answers to a few simple questions. How that makes me intolerant I'm not really sure.

[GodsProxy]

We aren't sitting on our hands but we aren't straight bashing this guy either. I just want a few simple answers to a few simple questions. How that makes me intolerant I'm not really sure.

You wrote earlier:

I think it's more a case of throwing the turd out with the toilet.

How this doesn't make you intolerant, I don't know.

Look, I don't care about being backed into a corner. I'd like nothing more than to be proved incorrect, but that hasn't been done yet. I'm just trying to get some simple facts across.

I wrote in the beginning of this thread (anyone could easily go and have a look) exactly what I wanted to discuss:

Most of what is going on in this reality can be observed by Obnosis - observation of the obvious, and requires no special powers or skills.

All it requires is an open mind, a willingness to look at some unpleasant facts, and throwing away or disregarding preconceptions.

It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions.

This thread is dedicated to Observation of the Obvious - what have we missed observing which could be valuable to us.

Please could we try to keep the thread on topic and keep from filling it with junk so that people won't read it and will be chased away from this forum

One obvious thing is that this is Hell on Earth.

A definition of obnosis:

Knowledge by Observation, experiential knowledge, waking up and looking, learning by going to look, learning by doing, learning by watching others, as opposed to theoretical learning.

@Stookie: Its not through evasion that I have not been able to actually discuss the topic. It is through the impolite behavior of certain members on this board who spoil it for everyone (sounds like school doesn't it?)

Astral316 immediately ignored my polite request to keep the thread on topic, and opened with this clincher:

"I have to drive 45 minutes to get to the nearest Popeye's Chicken. Hell on Earth? You're tellin me."

Sounds like a joke, but it set the tone for the ridicule which was to follow.

Astral316 took the lead with derisive comments, but after being confronted head on about them, and having some of his derisive questions answered, he had no choice but to pretend to ask intelligent questions. He then took the role of defender of innocent young kids as a cover to justify his blatantly impolite and hostile posts.

Stookie_ in the meantime had forgotten what I had posted as the topic (see above). Since you have to wade through derisive comments, it is impossible to have a sane discussion in this topic.

A few brave posters (names omitted, we know who they are), said basically, look guys, what is going on here? Why all the bullying?

Astral316, instead of researching and addressing the topic, took the time to post a full page of psychiatric text to prove I am deluded.

People with valid comments are not posting here because of the following posters who are ridiculing not having a serious discussion:

Xanth
Summerlander
SomeRandom
Astral316
Thread Killer

The majority of the replies (6 pages and counting) have been from the above hostile posters.

I wish to discuss this topic rationally not in a defensive fashion. I've already proven beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt, that I have a valid point, and a resoundingly interesting and relevant one, judging by the responses.

Anyone wishing to discuss this in a level headed way email me at godsproxy at gmail dot com.

[GodsProxy]

My answer is: I'm proving to you logically that you're in a death trap. Then I'm begging and pleading for your help to help us help us all to make sure we're going to get out of it. Then I'm trying to point out to you, that the conditions on this planet should make us suspicious, of the fact that we're in a death trap. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can put forward the proof I have. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can get you onto the same page as I am. Then I'm wanting to share with you everything I've learned so far, so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel, you can validate what I know and then help us from there.

Now, I am trying to tell you, that I need help in answering the question "how do we get out of a death trap?" I don't have the answers. I need your help.

Does that answer your question? How much more clearly can I answer it?

Rather say death trap than hell. It makes more sense in the context of the readership of this forum.

Actually, I am... believe it or not. An interest of mine is understanding all perspectives no matter how ridiculous they are compared to my own. But I don't need to introduce my beliefs in this thread, just common logic. When someone tells me, "You're going to hell but you can change it." I'm going to ask, "Okay, how?" You beg us to keep this thread on topic, it doesn't get more on topic. So... your answer?

[GodsProxy]

The body is a theta (spirit) trap to end all theta traps.

L. Ron Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course Lectures, 1952.
Now, don't throw the baby out with the baby water. Don't go and join Scientology. I am not a scientologist (tm). Do I really have to make these points over and over again? Don't let emotional responses and black PR ruin our chances. Scientology (tm) was suppressed and killed a long time ago, estimated 1984, ref David Miscavige. No need to comment on how insane we all believe Scn is, that's besides the point. The point is lets put aside our differences and see what each other can contribute to helping us.

[GodsProxy]

I'm re-posting this, because it is important, and people tend to only read the material on a new page

My answer is: I'm proving to you logically that you're in a death trap. Then I'm begging and pleading for your help to help us help us all to make sure we're going to get out of it. Then I'm trying to point out to you, that the conditions on this planet should make us suspicious, of the fact that we're in a death trap. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can put forward the proof I have. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can get you onto the same page as I am. Then I'm wanting to share with you everything I've learned so far, so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel, you can validate what I know and then help us from there.

Now, I am trying to tell you, that I need help in answering the question "how do we get out of a death trap?" I don't have the answers. I need your help.

Does that answer your question? How much more clearly can I answer it?

Rather say death trap than hell. It makes more sense in the context of the readership of this forum.

Actually, I am... believe it or not. An interest of mine is understanding all perspectives no matter how ridiculous they are compared to my own. But I don't need to introduce my beliefs in this thread, just common logic. When someone tells me, "You're going to hell but you can change it." I'm going to ask, "Okay, how?" You beg us to keep this thread on topic, it doesn't get more on topic. So... your answer?

[Astral316]

Thanks for the synopsis... but try to think beyond your own subjectivity. Not everyone who opposes your stance is a villain. Also please don't take my light hearted metaphors seriously, I don't think you're a turd.

Now, I am trying to tell you, that I need help in answering the question "how do we get out of a death trap?" I don't have the answers. I need your help.

That's easy... death!

[GodsProxy]

Sorry, too late, that is when your chances are over, and you find out for sure. Note: death trap. When you die, you may or may not be granted another chance. Religions have noted the same point. Incarne is your only chance.

That's easy... death!

[Astral316]

Sorry, too late, that is when your chances are over, and you find out for sure.

Okay so if you don't have the answers then it's fair to say you don't have the incorrect answers, yes? So I revert back to mind/emotion/desire control and being an overall good human being to your fellow man. I don't think it has to be more complex than that. What are the other possibilities? I mean besides excepting "prophet xyz" as our lord and savior.

BTW... I edited out the delusional disorder quotes as I agree, in retrospect, that they aren't in good taste.

[Thread Killer]

Hey God's Proxy,
                       I apologise. I'm sorry if you feel I've been hostile. I guess I'm amused at your earnestness. Another guess is you're under twenty five. I used to feel the type of certainty with which you conduct yourself. My age has taken that away. Your voracity impresses me. In the face of overwhelming opposition, you persist. At my age though, it's just an exercise in ego. That's cool. Just don't be too disappointed when people don't see it your way. It's hearts and minds, G.P., hearts and minds.
                                                                                                                  Shine On, You Crazy Diamond,
                                                                                                                                                             -Jim-

[ether2]

Same here. I'm lost. I'm baffled. But I suspect it's the same thing again...Earth is hell and when you die you go to a another hell worse than this one unless you have Godsproxy's and ether2's knowledge.

Godsproxy and ether2, has it ever occurred to you to look at the town you live in from above rather than driving through it with a map and no destination?

Just when you think you know something, consider other perspectives...

hay that is a really nice avatar ya got their ...

for the record i do not believe in a hell in after life and dont not know where ya go that assumption of me from...

i believe/know that life is all scripted look at Nostradamus predicting world towers collapse, it's scripted from centuries ago...

theirs plenty of speculation about Bush flying OBL family out of USA that day...

thats it was all to do with producing fear...

ya heard OBL was trained by USA military...

the discretion of what air craft was used...

the unexplained puffs of dust/smoke below the actuall crashing into the world towers...

look at what a pro lucid dreamer use to be able to do, influence a situation, i know of one death through this practise...

heard the saying lifes a dream...

Aborigines here in Aussie call now, dream time...they are a real smarties this lot when it comes to things talked about on sites as this, masters...

all scripted man being saying this for ages...

we get these scattered bits of info so when the time comes (soon before, 2012) we can all look at what all we percieved as the evil was all scripted prior to us in this body existing excepting a few areas, i know of one lucid death a decade ago and of course their are a few situations since late 2009 that will/need to be addressed...
so no-one guilty except a few of noth'n...that amounts to no hell
they above guides may show ya visions of hell but that all it is is just a mirage, not their man...

so as ya can see i do not believe in hell in after life, when one leaves thats it man for given so to speak we are all just instruments of the system, the strings have been of in a few areas especially of late but not many aresa before that...

good luck

love all

[SomeRandom]

Hey God's Proxy,
                       I apologise. I'm sorry if you feel I've been hostile. I guess I'm amused at your earnestness. Another guess is you're under twenty five. I used to feel the type of certainty with which you conduct yourself. My age has taken that away. Your voracity impresses me. In the face of overwhelming opposition, you persist. At my age though, it's just an exercise in ego. That's cool. Just don't be too disappointed when people don't see it your way. It's hearts and minds, G.P., hearts and minds.
                                                                                                                  Shine On, You Crazy Diamond,
                                                                                                                                                             -Jim-

Good song! 

[GodsProxy]

@Astral316: Thank you for the gesture of removing the crazy stuff, it is appreciated.

@Thread Killer, Jim: I'm 39 and my conviction is only growing stronger. Its the truth you see. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? My given name is Neil.

This thread is going to be locked soon. I'm going to give it a new incarnation

[Summerlander]

for the record i do not believe in a hell in after life and dont not know where ya go that assumption of me from...

Actually, you have just shown yourself to be really self-centred here. It's like for you, everything has to be about you. The belief in hell is about Godsproxy. The homosexuality issue is about you. I was killing two birds with one stone.

@Godsproxy:

Look back and read the posts by the people you listed and you might learn something. They are actually quite constructive. Only the ignorant will not take such statements onboard.