Are we in a Death Trap?

[Xanth]

Suffice to say... this world is what you make it to be.

It's certainly not a literal hell, unless you CHOOSE to view it in that way.

Open your eyes... open your perception to something better... and you will see your Earth change before your very eyes.

But don't be fooled, because the change has to start within.  Until you change yourself, you will continually live in a hell.

[GodsProxy]

Children starving to death while we debate is literal not figurative hell and the child cannot decide to exit hell based on attitude alone. Trust obnosis first up against obfustication. This further proves a hell beyond since this world is a reflection of those above or below it.

[Xanth]

Children starving to death while we debate is literal not figurative hell and the child cannot decide to exit hell based on attitude alone. Trust obnosis first up against obfustication. This further proves a hell beyond since this world is a reflection of those above or below it.

I'm not debating that "children starving to death" isn't a bad thing.  Stop with the straw-man arguments... they won't win you any points.
I'm saying that you need to change your own perception of reality before anything else will change.

You do a lot of talking for having nothing to say. 

[Summerlander]

Oh...go away, GodsProxy. Some of us happen to be born into more unfortunate situations. That is the nature of things. But you are solely focusing on misery and disregarding the joys. As Xanth pointed out, it is all about perspective. Extreme weather, tsunamis, earthquakes and disease around the world might have killed many and devastated entire nations. While some view it as some sort of punishment from God, others view it as the inevitable cause of nature's algorithms and possibly a necessity to cut down population which will in turn contribute to the survival of future generations as contradictory as it may sound.

You may call it "hell" while others examine the bigger picture. The truth is that what occurs is nothing until someone labels it something. The truth is that the unfortunate course of events or the miserable situation some find themselves in only becomes a hell to them. Today, a teenager who is banned from using Facebook may feel like they've gone to hell, but, the truth is, if they had been born decades ago when there was no Internet available, they would have coped just fine as they wouldn't have known any better. For some, living in the gutter becomes the norm because they don't know any better and it might not even be as bad as you think. It's like a billionaire coming up to you and saying "how can you live in that house of yours, it's so small...you must be unhappy...it must be hell for you!" when in fact you might be happy living there and the thought of living in a large mansion might even scare you as it may be a potential target for burglars.

The mind decides what the experience is...period. Without the mind input, everything is as useful as meaningless data in a computer system. If you want to believe this world is hell, fine! But don't expect everyone to view it in the same way you do and stop saying that people are blind or that they don't understand. It's very condescending.

[GodsProxy]

You are very cruel and unkind.

These people are experiencing living day by day torture. I am raising awareness for them, what are you doing?

From starvation.net:

Why are we letting at least 30,273 of the most beautiful children die the worst possible death everyday?

Sir your attitude is despicable.

Oh...go away, GodsProxy. Some of us happen to be born into more unfortunate situations.

[Summerlander]

Oh yeah!

Sure, sure..

Like it's my fault and everyone else's who is supposedly blind! We all know crap happens everywhere. You don't have to raise any awareness. You have just shown me what kind of person you are.

You are not doing this to raise awareness. You are doing this because you want to be viewed as the do-gooder, the hero, the one who cares about everyone.

Tell me something...what is so despicable about what I've said? Be my guest! Go on. Name calling because you didn't like something I said? Why don't you raise your "awareness" to the perpetrators of crimes against humanity. Why don't you tell those corrupt African governments to think about what they are doing instead of calling the innocent fortunate people "unkind", "cold", "blind" and "despicable"? I will enjoy everything I've got for myself and for the people who are unfortunate because I can and they would have done the same in my position. I don't feel guilty for being fortunate one bit. Some of us humans have to be...otherwise it would really be hell if everyone suffered. Open your eyes, Godsproxy!!

[ether2]

at the supreme level of consciousnesses at the dimension we live in is to be more one with all than most, to be more one is to feel what others feel (like mothers intuition) meaning you care for those in need because you feel their needs, at each level of consciusnesses meaning their are many levels of consciousnesses in each dimension we live in, the higher your consciousnesses the more minds abilities ya acquire each level of consciousness brings you closer to being more one consciously with all feeling others needs and ya better be working towards erradicating the problems or you will be a wreck...
Studying the Mind helps this, not a cure but helps...

this gains you the more feeling you have for others in need because of what you feel from people being one (mothers intuition=careing), is the higher of ones consciousnesses being more one with all because you care, this is where the supreme minds abilities lay whether you know you got them or not is two different things...studying the mind you soon learn how high you are in the plains/realms with your abilities, it's one thing haveing PUL towards others, but it's another thing generating/creating it for those in need to experience it for themselfes, so as they too can have PUL towards others...thats where the supreme minds abilities lay """liveing for other people and to love all"""
thats why i was able to gain the minds abilities to erradicate peadophilia ...

this is the leading cause of mentall illness depression, problem being more one with all you feel others needs and wants don't have to tell ya the state of what those are feeling in extreme poverty/war torn etc...to erradicate depression work in the area when ya can to erradicate poverty etc...help those in need, ya wont find a better cure anywhere...any leading psych's will tell ya the same thing...show these people the mind "depressed" from being one (not depression from misses leaving ya etc) and watch them take off, safely of course...they dont know what they got, being more/one is of a higher consciousness in the dimension we live in, higher consciousnesses is where the best of the minds abilities are, all day everyday

i'm sure many here are already doing their bit to better our world...

*i live by the rule only better myself if and only if allows me to better help others*

good luck

love all

[Wi11iam]

Name calling because you didn't like something I said?
Do-gooder! 
Hero!
The one who cares about everyone!


...distraction...

[Summerlander]

Distraction from what?

[GodsProxy]

Sorry, don't take it personally. Look I don't mind being the do-gooder. We need more of those, we can never get enough. These are just signs. You see, you don't know how it feels to starve to death. It is minute by minute torture. Someone in that position would like to be thought of kindly. So its not really your fault.
All I'm pointing at, is the signs and symptoms that we are in a death trap. Nothing personal. Many of us, including myself, have been desensitized to the suffering around us.
Look, torture is unacceptable, right? Well, all I'm saying, is that conditions around us, there are people being tortured day in and day out. Yes, literal torture. We're numbed to it because we can't hear their screams.
Spiritually I know better. We all deserve better, and much, much, much better.
Hence, we're in a death trap. That's my only point. We need to make this point stronger, clearer, louder and more often. I will not tolerate torture in my own back yard, let alone in the after life. I've taken flak for this. I stood up and confronted evil on my own, and said, I will not tolerate this.
I'm saying, lets stop being numbed to the world's torture, say it for what it is. I have to be a bit blunt sometimes, sorry it is nothing personal to you, SummerLander.
One more day spent in a death trap is one too many.
If you were a being in a normal reality, you would be too terrified to step foot in this reality.
I'm pointing out some pretty far out but what should be very obvious points, but they never have been, because we don't have any other context. That's the only reason.
Am I being so disruptive by advocating lets be kind to each other, and lets stand up to evil?
Evil wins by default! Hardly any one even acknowledges it exists.... and believe you me... I've got the scars to prove... it certainly does.
So no-one acknowledges it even exists? Yet it is all around us... Then who is going to stand up to it? No-one, that's who. You must hear the glee when you speak to someone really evil, they know this. It is really funny to them.

I'm trying to make you aware, don't you see? Its not a soft and gentle process.

You are not doing this to raise awareness. You are doing this because you want to be viewed as the do-gooder, the hero, the one who cares about everyone.

[Summerlander]

Look I don't mind being the do-gooder

But you are not, though, are you? That how you want to be seen. Didn't you get the sarcasm from my previous statement?

you don't know how it feels to starve to death.

How do you know? Do you know what I've been through?

Spiritually I know better.

Yes, of course you do.

[GodsProxy]

But you are not, though, are you? That how you want to be seen. Didn't you get the sarcasm from my previous statement?

No Sir, and I do not even remotely judge you. I myself have often made the same assumptions. We are all in the same boat.

Do you know what I've been through?

True.

We all have our crosses to bear.

The older we get the heavier they get.

[Summerlander]

If you were a being in a normal reality, you would be too terrified to step foot in this reality.

If the deities are scared of this world, then they are cowards and don't deserve the cushdie realm they are in.

[Stookie_]

Godsproxy, the death-trap does exist, because you're creating it. You're choosing to live in it. It's your own limitations and perspective that put you there. Trying to convince others that they are experiencing it to is just spreading your death-trap. I don't see where spreading this unverifiable information as a fact can be beneficial to anyone. It's the exact same thing politicians and religious leaders do to sway people to their side.

Many of us, including myself, have been desensitized to the suffering around us.

It sounds like you've also been desensitized to the beauty and joy and amazing things that can be experienced as a physical being. Yes, there is suffering, but there's the flip side to that coin. You have to take the bad with the good and appreciate what you can.

Spirit is more real and tangible than physical.

If spirit were tangible, we would be able to comprehend it. It wouldn't be illusive. I believe you need to think through your philosophy a bit deeper. How did you come to this way of thinking anyways?

[GodsProxy]

I am reporting facts and observing the obvious.
I know that I have a valid point to make. I'm reaching the people who need to hear about it.
Death traps aside, I have a high standard. I refuse to blind myself to the facts of reality.
It looks like people want to hear about this.
High time as well.
I decided last year October to take personal responsibility for those who cannot speak for themselves.

"We who have heard that,
Love that."

So say the ones sitting presently in eternal hell death torture.

I am fighting for you who is reading this.

I will never cease the fight. I am fighting for those I love and for those they love.

The writing is on the walls.

"You who have read this,
and who love this,
I love you too."

[Astral316]

Just want to say... the people who are making contributions to world hunger are out there getting their hands dirty. They're the volunteers, the activists, and the philanthropists. Those are the people who are fighting... not the authors of wikidot pages that most likely get 5 hits on a busy day. You get a cookie for "raising awareness" though.

[Wi11iam]

  Distraction from what?


  From seeing the TEAM

In this case the distraction is "GodsProxy" – Question:  "Why is GodsProxy being allowed to distract you?"
Do you have something to prove to GP?
Is GP not hearing you?
Others  are hearing you – the TEAM hears you.  The TEAM sees you.

[ether2]

Just want to say... the people who are making contributions to world hunger are out there getting their hands dirty. They're the volunteers, the activists, and the philanthropists. Those are the people who are fighting... not the authors of wikidot pages that most likely get 5 hits on a busy day. You get a cookie for "raising awareness" though.

their are that many people doing the hands dirty thing, but i got to say maybe it's time for a new approach...

when involved with the minds abilities and takeing $**t from many directions and ya keep going showing ya strength to those above Guides etc that ya mean business gets ya foot in the door so to speak as into what the mind can do and then be shown by those above Guides etc what ya can do because careing is of a higher consciousnesses (which is wisdom=knowing) in the dimension we live in, as thier are many levels of consciousness in the dimension we live in, because ya gain a higher consciousness which is the reward for careing because careing brings ya more one with all and the ladder of one is determined by the height of consciousnesses which one recieves the more care ya have brings ya more one with all which is the more higher of the consciousness which is the minds abilities...
thats how i got the minds abilities to knock those peadophilies on the head (so to speak)...no give up for careing, and of course my topic in 2012 forum got my hand in that in a big way...
i was just lucky, it had to be someone though

EDIT posted again without me clickling the button to post

take a successful businessman that made it by themselfes a billionaire, ya think they get their by giveing up on their goals they take heaps of knocks, man...
ya right though cookie for best foot forward though...

good luck

love all

[GodsProxy]

How would you know how many hits I'm getting? Its actually a lot more
My point is not world hunger. My point is showing you what things are like out there for the majority.
We have a rare opportunity to dismantle this device.
As far as W1lliam is concerned with the team, we have a team as well, a team of beings of Love and Light, and every well-intentioned man and women on this planet.
"We will be righteous once again."
Much Love,

Just want to say... the people who are making contributions to world hunger are out there getting their hands dirty. They're the volunteers, the activists, and the philanthropists. Those are the people who are fighting... not the authors of wikidot pages that most likely get 5 hits on a busy day. You get a cookie for "raising awareness" though.

[GodsProxy]

their are that many people doing the hands dirty thing, but i got to say maybe it's time for a new approach...

Agreed. Ether you're a legend man!

(Carefully avoids giving Ether a hug. That pit bull (?) on your Avatar looks a bit serious )

[AndrewTheSinger]

Isn't believing that our set of beliefs will shape our afterlife condition also a belief system?

[Xanth]

Isn't believing that our set of beliefs will shape our afterlife condition also a belief system?

It sure is!

[ether2]

if i understand what ya say'n is that like shapeing ya next life so to speak and if say as ya claim wouldnt that mean that all that done well done the right thing/good would have a better life in the next life, being that that would mean that would mean over 2 million people done really bad in their previous lifes as this life they are haveing/liveing is not as good as some is no good, numbers don't way up...maybe i misinterpreted whats ya's are saying

good luck

love all

[Wi11iam]

Isn't believing that our set of beliefs will shape our afterlife condition also a belief system?

Yes – I understand that non belief is also a belief and acts in the same way.
Here is one version of information on the subject:




All beliefs have energy systems that act like birthing rooms for the manifestation of the belief. Within these energy systems are currents that direct your life experience. You are aware of these currents either consciously or subconsciously, and you allow them to carry you into the realm of experience that best exemplifies your true belief system.  – WingMakers Materials

[Szaxx]

Hi All,
After a little thought, its our belief that the afterlife holds all the pleasantries and it is this that shapes the future therein. A bad person who expects retribution may create exactly that unknowingly. An excellent proposition, a self made hell.
A person with remorse however may find it more appealing as they have 'corrected' their errors.
A good person should create a good environment as long as they have not over-thought bad things and expect some return from this.
A knowledgeable and enlightened person already knows their position as they have done their 'homework'.
If a death trap is then feared then a condition must have been created by this person.
It seems a plausible theory, if all things do interact then this may create a hierarchical system based on the whole. This in effect could create a heaven and hell scenario.
Its an enigmatic postulate in thought and as such it may not exist in this fashion.
Fascinating thread this one, you open one door and find many more.
Some delightful replies here too.
Onward we go.