Illuminati?

[HiRes]

Well my point actually was that I don't think they can't do it at all... not even in the slightest.
People will naturally awaken at their own pace, and I really don't believe anyone can stop or even slow it down.

A "one world government" is a necessity though.  It's going to happen... it won't happen due to "a group forcing control" upon us though.

Yes, We are slowly progressing on the spiritual evolutionary chain. It CANNOT be stopped, it can be reduced, and already has been, but it was for all good reason.

A one world government should not be obtained under a left brained group of people. When religion and science come together, and all the chaos is gone, only then can their be a one governed planet.

The pole shift, will kill off any one who is not spiritually adept, because that is the way it is meant. After this pole shift the world will be a more pure place, where we control our reality, and evil is gone. (for the most part) it will return at some point in time, where we will defeat it! and cast it back into "hell"

[Xanth]

Yes, We are slowly progressing on the spiritual evolutionary chain. It CANNOT be stopped, it can be reduced, and already has been, but it was for all good reason.

Well see... what evidence do you have that it "can (or has) been reduced"?  Can you really gauge it in such a manner?

A one world government should not be obtained under a left brained group of people. When religion and science come together, and all the chaos is gone, only then can their be a one governed planet.

Why?  I think it would work just fine... but people want to have to have it work fine.

The pole shift, will kill off any one who is not spiritually adept, because that is the way it is meant. After this pole shift the world will be a more pure place, where we control our reality, and evil is gone. (for the most part) it will return at some point in time, where we will defeat it! and cast it back into "hell"

What?  O_o

You seem to have your own set of beliefs here...

[astraladdict]

Ryan take a look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis

~astraladdict

[HiRes]

Well see... what evidence do you have that it "can (or has) been reduced"?  Can you really gauge it in such a manner?

Well, for starters look at our past civilizations, that knew things they should not have known because they did not have the technology to do it.

This proves we had a higher sense of being, and for some reason it caved in on us, and we are having to start over in the evolutionary process of spirituality.

What?  O_o

You seem to have your own set of beliefs here...

Honestly, not really. It is basically what the bible says
I think the pole shift will kill everyone, but the spiritually adept, because it will be a massive movement of the earths crust, where our electromagnetic field is gone for a period of time.

The spiritually adept being the "indigo children" and "super psychics".. and the other ones that I cannot remember >.>

more than that may live, but I think these people will have the highest chance, as they are young, and still thriving with life.
As for the "evil" side of things, well that is the "devil" or Lucifer. Which was just another way consciousness created itself. Anything that is created under the "Lucifer experiment" has ended in failure. The current "Lucifer experiment" is the "illuminati" and they are going to fail, without a doubt. God, or consciousness, will make sure of it :]

[HiRes]

Why?  I think it would work just fine... but people want to have to have it work fine.

and as for a one world government, it has to be controlled by only the purest of hearts. If any corruption is present, some type of revolution will occur and we would be back to square one.

Only beings, that have the purity of god, can govern a unitary government.

[Xanth]

Ryan take a look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_shift_hypothesis

~astraladdict

Oh, I know full well what it is.  I also know it has about as much theory behind it happening next year as Nibiru does of entering our Solar System. 

[astraladdict]

Oh, I know full well what it is.  I also know it has about as much theory behind it happening next year as Nibiru does of entering our Solar System. 

A lot of what's being said here is similar to what i said in a post i made about 2012. Honestly, i think that's going to be a big year, if you are not ready than it's going to be difficult. I am anxious for that year. The pole shift, to me, does seem like a possible outcome. We will not know for sure what will happen though, until the time comes.

~astraladdict

[Xanth]

Well, for starters look at our past civilizations, that knew things they should not have known because they did not have the technology to do it.

This proves we had a higher sense of being, and for some reason it caved in on us, and we are having to start over in the evolutionary process of spirituality.

That's not evidence of a "higher sense of being".
You're making some huge assumptions.

Honestly, not really. It is basically what the bible says
I think the pole shift will kill everyone, but the spiritually adept, because it will be a massive movement of the earths crust, where our electromagnetic field is gone for a period of time.

The spiritually adept being the "indigo children" and "super psychics".. and the other ones that I cannot remember >.>

more than that may live, but I think these people will have the highest chance, as they are young, and still thriving with life.
As for the "evil" side of things, well that is the "devil" or Lucifer. Which was just another way consciousness created itself. Anything that is created under the "Lucifer experiment" has ended in failure. The current "Lucifer experiment" is the "illuminati" and they are going to fail, without a doubt. God, or consciousness, will make sure of it :]

If "something" happens within the near future, people like you are simply going to point fingers and yell, "see!!  told ya so!"... so it really doesn't matter.  In any case, if something happens and most or all humans die, what REALLY happens?  We all move onto another incarnation somewhere else... if you survive, that doesn't automatically make you "more spiritual" than Bob down the street who died.  

I'm sorry, but all this smacks of ego... "I'm more spiritual than you are!!!"

and as for a one world government, it has to be controlled by only the purest of hearts. If any corruption is present, some type of revolution will occur and we would be back to square one.

Only beings, that have the purity of god, can govern a unitary government.

There will always be corruption in humanity.

A lot of what's being said here is similar to what i said in a post i made about 2012. Honestly, i think that's going to be a big year, if you are not ready than it's going to be difficult. I am anxious for that year. The pole shift, to me, does seem like a possible outcome. We will not know for sure what will happen though, until the time comes.

December 22nd, 2012 is gonna roll around... and life will continue.  The rich will keep getting richer... the poor will keep getting poorer... and people will continue along the same spiritual path that they were on December 21st, 2012.

[HiRes]

That's not evidence of a "higher sense of being".
You're making some huge assumptions.

explain how they new things about the universe they couldn't have according to science?

If "something" happens within the near future, people like you are simply going to point fingers and yell, "see!!  told ya so!"... so it really doesn't matter.  In any case, if something happens and most or all humans die, what REALLY happens?  We all move onto another incarnation somewhere else... if you survive, that doesn't automatically make you "more spiritual" than Bob down the street who died. 


I'm sorry, but all this smacks of ego... "I'm more spiritual than you are!!!"

Ahh, but you are wrong. Everyone that was born within about 20 years ago has more DNA than the rest of us. We are moving up the evolutionary chain. This extra DNA gives us a greater tap into our spirituality. Not saying more spiritual, just more adept in the spiritual world. Bob down the street is just older, and has not evolved as much as us. (us being the younger group of people in the world). Yes, we will incarnate somewhere else, but that does not mean we will remember our past lives and what happened during them

its not a sense of Ego, as I see all human beings having godly powers. Everyone is equal in my eyes.

There will always be corruption in humanity.
December 22nd, 2012 is gonna roll around... and life will continue.  The rich will keep getting richer... the poor will keep getting poorer... and people will continue along the same spiritual path that they were on December 21st, 2012.

Ill respond later >.> got stuff to do today. in a hurry ;P

[Xanth]

Sorry bud, but you're making huge assumptions.

Now I remember why I usually stay outta these discussions...

[HiRes]

Sorry bud, but you're making huge assumptions.

Now I remember why I usually stay outta these discussions...

Ahh but isn't religion just a huge assumption?

And don't you think it is about time we moved forward in evolution?
We came from monkeys, and now it is time to move forward even more

[DayTripper]

There's far too many theories and confusion to hear one and rule it out, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if the least expected things happen. @Ryan, in regards to what you have said about the illuminati, I found it quite interesting. I do believe our purpose here is to grow spiritually and regardless of what the illuminati do that will not change, if they want money, power, destruction, you're right... they can have it... because that's not why I am here. But I DO think that the illuminati has the ability to suppress our spiritual growth, one of their main goals is to keep people from reaching their destiny. I mean yeah everyone will have their awakening on their own terms but without the influence of the illuminati I feel like it would come much sooner.

I think the pole shift is extremely unlikely, but I'm not ruling anything out. I'm just learning as much as I can so I can at least be knowledgeable on that day. I'm rather excited for things to change, even if it turns out to be full of pain and suffering I know it will lead to something profound. 

[Xanth]

But I DO think that the illuminati has the ability to suppress our spiritual growth, one of their main goals is to keep people from reaching their destiny.

Then let me ask how you think they can suppress it?  That's probably a better direction to take this. 

I, for one, can't think of a single way that can suppress our spirituality.

Some people might not realize that they have a spiritual side yet... some people might be on the brink of noticing it... some (like us here) have full embraced it.  Of the people in the middle ground (on the brink), "how long" it takes them to find their spirituality is meaningless.  They will get there... that's what I believe is the whole point of this reality.

[HiRes]

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I, for one, can't think of a single way that can suppress our spirituality.
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Science my friend. Science is what has suppressed our spirituality, as their is no way to prove anything we experience is true.
Science claims astral projection as a form of mental illness >.> and does not condone practicing it.

[HiRes]

I agree DayTripper, the illuminati's goal is to suppress our spirituality. They are doing this with a pure left brained way of thinking. NOW I also believe as a species, we needed the illuminati's way of thinking, to progress, but it is only as a tool of progression. We need a balance of the Sciences that the illuminati have spawned, and of religion, to progress further on the evolutionary chain. GOD did not put them on earth for no reason, he did not allow all of this to happen without cause.
The suppression of spirituality is seen everywhere, more and more people do not believe religion simply because science cannot explain it.

@Ryan - I do believe that everyone will grow spiritually and that cannot be stopped. IT can be hindered and digressed though. This has already happened, and now we are on our way out of this digression and back into what we once used to be, well greater than we used to be. One day we will all be super humans, that are giant and have adept spiritual powers

Yes all of this is a huge assumption, but it does make more sense than science can put together, and it makes sense of all the past cultures that have left traces on our planet.

[HiRes]

I have been doing research on the Illuminati since I was 13 Something has always pulled me towards them, and that something is what lead me to the spiritual side of things. As if it was destiny.

[Xanth]

Science my friend. Science is what has suppressed our spirituality, as their is no way to prove anything we experience is true.
Science claims astral projection as a form of mental illness >.> and does not condone practicing it.

It hasn't stopped mine.
It hasn't stopped yours.

It's not the "science" that is actively slowing anything.  It's just everyone's individual progress.  Once you get to a certain level of "knowing", it begins to snowball.  Nothing can stop or slow down the beginning of that snowballing.

I do see where you're going though.
You see the individuals spiritual progress and think that they're being slowed by some outside force...
I see the individuals spiritual progress and think, that's just how they are right now.  It's all internal... and I don't see anything that can change that.

Well, let me get to the root of this really... I don't believe any of these organizations/groups even exist.  So meh.  This is all a moot point as far as I'm concerned.  LoL

As with any conspiracy theory of this kind... people mostly see only what they want to see.  So meh. 
I'm kind of just repeating myself at this point though, so I'll just let this one go.  LoL

[DayTripper]

I see what you're saying, that the amount of time it takes someone to find their spirituality is meaningless, therefore, unable to be suppressed.

[HiRes]

It hasn't stopped mine.
It hasn't stopped yours.

It's not the "science" that is actively slowing anything.  It's just everyone's individual progress.  Once you get to a certain level of "knowing", it begins to snowball.  Nothing can stop or slow down the beginning of that snowballing.

I do see where you're going though.
You see the individuals spiritual progress and think that they're being slowed by some outside force...
I see the individuals spiritual progress and think, that's just how they are right now.  It's all internal... and I don't see anything that can change that.

Well, let me get to the root of this really... I don't believe any of these organizations/groups even exist.  So meh.  This is all a moot point as far as I'm concerned.  LoL

As with any conspiracy theory of this kind... people mostly see only what they want to see.  So meh. 
I'm kind of just repeating myself at this point though, so I'll just let this one go.  LoL

I see what you mean, everyone is spiritually progressing as nature intended for it.
I guess you could say I see it as being slowed, but rather it has been moved to another force, or way of thinking.

Right brained individuals, are more adept to the spiritualism of things. Left brained ones are more adept to sciences and such.
I my self, feel I am a balanced individual, I excel in science and math, yet I am still capable of comprehending a spiritual aspect of things.

I'd say my argument is coming to a slow, and I am running out of ideas to give forth

All I am saying about my ideas, and beliefs is, that it should be something that is talked about. EVEN if it is not true, it should still be a topic that is socialized in society now a days.

[Stookie_]

When things aren't going your way,
Blame the Illumina-tay!

[astraladdict]

Makes you wonder that maybe the "Elite" have things set up so they can feed off of our energy whenever we talk about them. Energy vamps they are 

~astraladdict

[Stookie_]

The worst thing that you can combine with AP is superstition and paranoia. It'll hold you back.

[HiRes]

Makes you wonder that maybe the "Elite" have things set up so they can feed off of our energy whenever we talk about them. Energy vamps they are 

~astraladdict

Love it
Probably true >.> they dont exactly have the energies we do, since they lack emotions they have to get their power from somewhere xD

[HiRes]

The worst thing that you can combine with AP is superstition and paranoia. It'll hold you back.

mhmm I believe they exists, but they have no power over me because I know they exists and they cannot influence me
I honestly used to dream about becoming a super hacker and getting proof they exist >.> but that doesnt matter anymore because 2012 will be there demise.. or so I hope ;P

[astraladdict]

I'll bring this back... I HATE the move insidious, the way they make people believe AP is. Just horrible 

~astraladdict