How To Have An Out Of Body Experience composed by Summerlander

[mels8780]

Are you implying dreams do not start until like 2 hours in ? If so I don't think most people need that amount of time. Sigh, my main problem is fighting dream images. Which when I get relaxed start bombarding me in seconds. I'm pretty chill right now. If I laid down and closed my eyes I would probably be fighting them within 30 seconds (and that's kind of a generous number), seriously. <.<

[Bran]

@ Bran

That was definitely the start of a potential OOBE.  I have got stuck at the head before while my limbs floated.  This tends to lead to a Mode 1 OOBE but intent must be strong in order for the barrier to be broken.  I think the stuck at the head part is a subconscious barrier.

the whooshing and squeaking can be interpreted as SP hallucinations, and the strange feeling one gets could possibly be due to unusual (but natural) activity in the thalamus.  The head rush is usually experienced when one makes an attempt at separation, where vision may appear to pop out of the eye sockets (or out of the head) to be yanked back immediately.  

You are on the right track.  If trying to empty your mind and then letting it go where it may works best for you then go for it.  It is all about finding out what works and what you think has yielded results for you the most.  

Yeah, once I manage to clear my mind, I'm best off trying to hang on to that... what happens for me is I will try to focus on one thing and it does come alive, so I get that far pretty much no problem. Problem is, other things take over and I lose that focus completely. So, what I have learned is that if I can clear my head and slowly get up to that stage, I focus on it better and other thoughts don't start taking over as badly. Clarifying on the head rush thing the other night: I did just that, and my mind went to a meadow with slender, tall grass(bahaya?), flowers and a stream trickling down the middle. Behind the stream were tall pine trees and, for some reason, mountains in the background which made little sense on the otherwise flat landscape. I was starting to feel like I was getting to that place and I head rushed and I guess it jarred me cause as soon as it ended, I lost the meadow.  

Which brings me to my next question... so, uh, sounds like I definitely had something there, what could I have done differently? I'm plenty determined to have an AP- I'm certainly not afraid of it. And the one Saturday night where I distinctly felt my legs hovering: I tried to kind of "worm wiggle", for lack of a better term, my way out, but I don't think I moved at all, corporeally or physically.

[Summerlander]

Are you implying dreams do not start until like 2 hours in ? If so I don't think most people need that amount of time. Sigh, my main problem is fighting dream images. Which when I get relaxed start bombarding me in seconds. I'm pretty chill right now. If I laid down and closed my eyes I would probably be fighting them within 30 seconds (and that's kind of a generous number), seriously. <.<

Actually, I believe we dream all the time, even in the waking state.  At night, however, when we go to bed, our focus on that state of consciousness is at its best once the REM stage is reached.

Btw, do not fight the potential dreams.  Watch them panoramically. Do not focus too much on a particular detail and don't try to erase them straight away either. If you don't wish to enter certain scenes just wean yourself out of them, and, likewise, if you wish to enter them in your lucid state, wean yourself in...remember, you are in another state of consciousness that requires you to be calm but confident in that what you want will be met.  No fighting.

Once you have entered a Phase environment of your choosing, you can then start performing deepening techniques in order to anchor yourself there.  That is essential for prolonging your stay in the Phase.  

Yeah, once I manage to clear my mind, I'm best off trying to hang on to that... what happens for me is I will try to focus on one thing and it does come alive, so I get that far pretty much no problem. Problem is, other things take over and I lose that focus completely. So, what I have learned is that if I can clear my head and slowly get up to that stage, I focus on it better and other thoughts don't start taking over as badly. Clarifying on the head rush thing the other night: I did just that, and my mind went to a meadow with slender, tall grass(bahaya?), flowers and a stream trickling down the middle. Behind the stream were tall pine trees and, for some reason, mountains in the background which made little sense on the otherwise flat landscape. I was starting to feel like I was getting to that place and I head rushed and I guess it jarred me cause as soon as it ended, I lost the meadow. 

Which brings me to my next question... so, uh, sounds like I definitely had something there, what could I have done differently? I'm plenty determined to have an AP- I'm certainly not afraid of it. And the one Saturday night where I distinctly felt my legs hovering: I tried to kind of "worm wiggle", for lack of a better term, my way out, but I don't think I moved at all, corporeally or physically.

Ahhh...damn...that meadow sounded interesting!  I wish you could have held on to that for longer enabling you to explore it.  That was already AP!  Next time you land in another landscape like that, try rubbing your hands or touching nearby objects.  Engrossing yourself is a good way to anchor to the immediate surroundings.  Deepening techniques are paramount before exploration.  You'll find more at obe4u.com.

Btw, here's a plan for you and I'll do the same tonight.  Let's go to bed around 11 pm or midnight (we must be tired).  Then we just sleep - don't worry about anything - just sleep.  Aim to wake up around 4 am.  Use the toilet if necessary.  Stay up for about 15 minutes.  Go back down and induce an OOBE.

Start by relaxing.  Don't fall asleep.  That's your body's job.  You consciously wait for your body to 'switch' off.  Your mind is relaxed too, but alert at the same time.  Never mind the weirdness that may hit you as your awareness shifts to another state.  Don't be afraid. Let the rushing noises come. If you experience vibrations, even if mild, or like your vibrating or being shaken at an atomic level, let it peak, and, as it dwindles, separate by rolling over and out.  Movement is not imagined.  Move as you would physically.  Be gentle at first...if there is resistance...aggressively pull yourself out of body.

[Bran]

Sure, I'm game for that! It's actually an interesting idea because the times I have intentionally tried for an OOBE, it was when I first when to bed. The timing on that works out well because I generally go to bed at about that time, unless a work day prohibits it, and wake up around 4:30 to use the toilet or get a drink, etc. But the times I've had my most vivid APs(the accidental ones, ha), were generally later at night to near morning. The "flying" ones I had as a child happened close to morning.

I'm not so sure the meadow was an AP though: I didn't "land there" so much as I saw it in my head... my brain's capable of generating some pretty elaborate stuff sometimes, woo ADHD! But I did feel like I was getting to that place though, because other things were fading. I wasn't at the point of paralysis though, so I'm not sure I was ready to reach out and grab a blade of grass, for example. But now that I know that headrush feeling can happen, it shouldn't catch me off-guard again. We'll see. Maybe we will meet in the meadow tonight, that'd be a trip, huh? 

[Summerlander]

Morning is good to enter the Phase too.  We don't have to do it at the same time and we can still meet.  I think physical realm time is irrelevant there.  The Phase worlds have their own time systems. 

By the way, meeting in the meadow sounds like a great idea. 

I'll attempt entering my wife's dreams tonight,  try to make her lucid, take her to your meadow using translocation and meet you there.  Bring your partner along too if you've got one.  That way we can all have a double date in that beautiful meadow.  It'll be romantic!

Before posting your experience, make sure I've had mine by PMing me.  Remember, if you happen to do it first, don't tell me about it or you might be telling me about my Phase "future" and it might not happen for me that way if I know too much about it.  I'm starting to sound like Doc Emmett Brown! 

[Bran]

Unfortunately, don't have anything to report at all for last night... Did end up waking up at 4:29, but when I went back to bed, it didn't feel right and I gave up after about 30 minutes and just went to sleep normally. I probably won't be able to make an attempt tonight, since I may be working early tomorrow... we'll see.

[Summerlander]

That's ok.  I haven't been having any experiences lately either.  I've been making the mistake of working out in the evening and, although it makes my muscles tired, it also gets my adrenaline (big no-no) going which makes it difficult for me to fall asleep.  Eventually, when I fall asleep, it is late and I end up waking up around 7.30 am which is no good because I gotta get ready to go to work.

On certain days, the morning is brilliant for entering the Phase though.  I will certainly try tonight.  I did my exercise at 5 pm so it shouldn't be a problem to sleep around midnight.  I'll aim to wake up between 4 - 6 am, stay up for a while and then go down to induce.

Yes, we'll see how this goes.

[jensilver3]

Hello summerlander. I am new to trying to induce AP but I do believe that I have naturally started to AP without trying while I was asleep although I never got very far but often linger in a stage of audio dreams, vibrations and being able to see with my eyes closed. I'm not sure if I've fully seperated but I have definitely felt myself start to seperate. So I tried the 4AM technique the other night, I woke up and then imagined I was standing somewhere in my room. I immediately started to feel "floaty" and I think I did hear a voice or something. Then I felt like I was vibrating sort of and I could feel my head jolting and vibrating every other minute. I'm guessing my head was trying to seperate but kept getting jolted back? Later I think I was getting further but I think I was more asleep than awake as it was hard to keep towards my aim of getting out. I felt like I was getting up but then my legs felt very heavy and I couldn't fully seperate. After trying a few times I seemed to drift off to full sleep and then dreamt I astral projected. In my dream I walked into my kitchen and met a boy on my couch. I remember being in the kitchen and feeling excited that I had gotten out and I jumped around the kitchen excited. But I think this part was a dream since it's not very clear and the ending of the dream was definitely a regular dream. Any advice, explanations?

[Summerlander]

You are there already!! Defo on the right track!  You also seemed to have experience the 'radio effect'!  The pineal gland contains crystals that seem to have piezoelectric properties similar to that of the sonar.  You might have tapped into electromagnetic frequencies but this is speculative. 

When it comes to separation...all you need to do is be more aggressive in getting yourself out when you get stuck.  Movement, of course, is not imagined.

The dream about "astral projection" can be classified as a Mode 2 OOBE, but, rather than having wake-induced it, you entered the Phase during your sleep.  You knew your physical body was lying asleep in the physical realm while your mind perambulated in the metaphysical.  That is an out-of-body experience in itself.

OOBEs always have a tendency to turn into dreams because your unconscious mind starts to take over as your awareness gradually returns to the sleeping body.  If you sense that subconscious elements are starting to cloud your lucidity in the OOBE-state, simply perform techniques that will keep you anchored in that state.  Rubbing hands and blowing on them, spinning, touching objects etc.  With practice, you'll be making your experiences last.  The more conscious actions you perform in that state, the longer your stay in the Phase. 

[Bran]

I have managed to AP while dreaming two times from what I can remember. Both times I was having a bad dream and wanted to get away. I remember on both events actually coming out of my body, and seeing myself having the dream still. It was quite weird. I don't recall what I actually did during either AP, but on the most recent I distinctively remember finding my bed/body in some room. I climbed into it and then I woke up. So, yeah, I agree thY it sounds like an AP you had.

In other news: might have achieved partial, momentary separation last night, but not a lot of luck overall.

[jensilver3]

Thanks summerlander! I'm hoping to really get the hang of all this! Very interesting what you said about the radio effect. I might want to research this because audio dreams are a relatively new phenomena to me, as I got my first one about 2 years ago. It's a very strange sensation. A few times I have had audio dreams where I hear more than one thing going on at once like one man speaking like a lecture to students and at the same time I could hear a womans voice talking seemingly from a different direction. Another time I heard what sounded like a newscast. I was home alone and was so convinced that someone had entered my house, turned on the tv and was watching the news that I forced myself to wake up only to hear silence!

[Summerlander]

^^ yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about.  Sometimes the voices can seem so close as though there are people talking in your room.  It's funny that you mentioned experiencing as though a man was lecturing students!  Here's an excerpt from my journal:

"...soon I entered a familiar state of clarity and the hissing pulsation returned. I remember thinking that perhaps the 'pineal engine' had ignited and was revving up to a rollercoaster of rushing sounds. What followed was a sensation of detachment from everything but I was still conscious of lying in bed without visibility. Suddenly, I could hear voices as though a radio had been switched on in my head. I couldn't understand what they said but somehow the audio focused on a particular female voice who spoke as though it was delivering a lecture. The subject appeared to be consciousness and a sentence stuck out to me: "The I is the centre of consciousness therefore we are all centres of consciousness." The voice then proceeded to divulge a deep secret about reality which made me experience an epiphany and yet I don't recall what was said. The voice turned surd and was drowned by orchestral music and clapping. This was followed by a vibrational surge and subsequently I appeared to have separated from my body solely by willing myself out. Vision was hazy but I could distinguish my bedroom environment..."

[Mark85]

Cool post thanks, needed some more images maybe.

[samirah77]

I like this forum...excellent info. discovered it on yahoo. will save it as a favorite.

[Summerlander]

Thanks guys!  I'm glad you like it and more pictures are on the way.

[SirMike]

Do we do any breath counting? Because I find that helps me ALOT!

[Summerlander]

Refer back to the guide.  You only do this as a way to progressively relax the body if you think it helps.  It is not, however, used to directly induce an OOBE.

[maundrell]

hi i just want to ask if someone can control you in the astral world? coz when i try it it feels like it's not me who control my self..like hurting someone i do not know and without any reason. And when i wake up i feel guilt about it.

[Summerlander]

No one can control you but yourself.  All you need is confidence and belief that you are in charge.  Like Neo from the Matrix.  Free your mind of constraints.

[Xanth]

hi i just want to ask if someone can control you in the astral world? coz when i try it it feels like it's not me who control my self..like hurting someone i do not know and without any reason. And when i wake up i feel guilt about it.

Are these consciously aware projections you're having in which you're consciously making the decision to "hurt people"?
Or are these dream awareness experiences (aka a "normal dream") where you're "hurting people"?

The difference is if you're consciously doing it or subconsciously doing it.