20+ Projections in 2 hours

[AstralBeginnings]

So until a couple of weeks ago I had never heard of Galantamine.  In fact I never knew supplements such as this existed.  Since I first heard of it, it kept appearing randomly to me.  So, taking this as a sign I bought some along with some Choline.  It arrived yesterday but I have a massive 13 hour photoshoot today (starting in like 2 hours time!) so I wasn't going to try it.  Anyway, I woke at 3am and felt that I was ready to phase so I decided I would see what the supplements would do.  I took them and lay in bed for probably 30 mins until I fell asleep.  During this time I wasn't attempting to phase.  Almost immediately I started dreaming and I became lucid within seconds.  What followed is what I can only describe as an orgy of projections which had me questioning reality on many occasions.  I had countless RTZ projections - every time I "woke up" (although most of them were false awakenings) all I had to do was focus on blackness and remaining still and I would literally SLIP into the RTZ.  I couldn't remain "in" my body, I would just flop out onto the floor.  One thing about the RTZ projections was that they were very dark and I had trouble moving, which never happened to me before.  On one occasion I was crawling around trying to stand up and someone grabbed my arm.  I said "get the f*** off" and I woke up immediately.  Then I heard a voice which sounded like the Sugar Puffs Honey Monster saying "fingers fingers gimme fingers" haha. 

I wont go into details about all the experience as I would be here all day.  After that I heard countless voices, babies crying, popping and fizzing noises every single time my consciousness shifted even the tiniest bit and experienced phasing into my hypnogics many times.  Also many times heard my sleeping wife talking. For the first time ever I experienced sleep paralysis.  During it I was merged between physical and RTZ and honestly, why people try to get it I will never know. Its a pain in the arse.  You don't need SP to project and to me experiencing it was akin to being stuck in a traffic jam when you need to pee.  I felt like I was stuck in slow motion!  During one of the SPs I kept drifting between physical reality, SP and RTZ.  I was trying to talk to my wife in one coherent sentence and she literally only heard the parts when I was drifting into the physical.  It was a complete sentence to me, but she only got the parts when I was physical.
 
Towards the end of the experience (which was about 30 mins ago!) I was freely and at will phasing into any locale I envisioned and when I was there it was 100% real but for some reason the reality kept fading after about 20 seconds, however I would immediately wake up and go right back.  Often times I was false awakening (I know because it wasn't my room for example) and then phasing straight from a false awakening.  It was truly bizarre.

I read alot about these supplements before I tried them.  Basically all they do is stimulate the creation of the chemical which is naturally produced during REM, essentially giving you more REM which means more chance for projection.  They are both perfectly legal supplements bought over the counter.  Good info can be found here if anyone is interested http://lucidallnight.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/galantamine-and-choline-a-guide/

I will say it isnt for the faint of heart as it was pretty intense, but I will also say that it does work!

[ArmyOfOne1911]

Holy Cr** man!!

Sounds like a monster of a supplement. It's funny what some things can do to the brain. I took melatonin once and it gave me hardcore nightmares. Other times it gave me sleep paralysis. I didn't know what that was at that point and it scared me... Now I love the feeling. Thanks for sharing that!
I am not going to take anything though to induce them. Heck I am having experiences every night now. Just focusing and really trying to OBE. I have hardwired the feeling in my brain so I think everytime I feel it I automatically wake up and can try the OBE process. It's good stuff! I am on Anxiety meds but they have NO effect on my experiences what so ever. I was having these sensations before I was on meds too. Also I would like to note I no longer have touretts in my OBE's. It's like I am free of it. Touretts in real life is a pain the a** I tell ya. That's why I enjoy having OBES. I just feel extremely happy while in them.

Thanks for sharing this man! It was a good read. I hope you been doing good.

-Cody

[Xanth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galantamine

Approximately 75% of a dose of galantamine is metabolised in the liver.

You want to be *VERY CAREFUL* taking stuff like this... that line shows that Galantamine is a toxin, as only the Liver can process toxins.
This means that, in the end, this stuff is not healthy for you.

[Orion-]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GalantamineYou want to be *VERY CAREFUL* taking stuff like this... that line shows that Galantamine is a toxin, as only the Liver can process toxins.
This means that, in the end, this stuff is not healthy for you.

That's false. The liver can only process toxins? That's very very far away from the truth. Toxins work in many ways, but a description for a form of toxin could be "something that, or something of which the products of liver processing are toxic".

So in fact, there are many things that the body does not like (unnatural), but that are not toxic. Those are broken down by the liver. Of course I don't recommend taking a lot of galantamine, but saying that it is a toxin is just fear mongering. A beer is probably more harmful to your liver than 2-4mg galantamine. To get more accurate information you would have to search for it and/or ask doctors.

[Xanth]

I'm not getting into the comparison game...

I'm just telling you to be wary of what you put in your body in the effort to do something you can fully do yourself without the need to damage your body in the process.  Use common sense... if people are so NEEDY for results NAO NAO NAO (which is a MASSIVE problem in our culture today), then perhaps you need to ask yourself HONESTLY why you want this NOW, instead of putting in the time to learn it properly.

Personally, I HIGHLY SUGGEST not using any chemical.  There's nothing that can replace dedicated hard work.

[AstralBeginnings]

I'm just telling you to be wary of what you put in your body in the effort to do something you can fully do yourself

I CAN do it myself and have done so many times in the past and also recently.  I tried this simply to see what it did, not to replace my current practices.  I would NEVER recommend artificial means to someone to get their first experience, however I have already had mine and many more so this is not something that will be my only way to experience the non-physical and therefore will never NEED to have it.  I wanted to try it, and I did. 

I'm pretty sure its not specifically good for you, but the quantities taken are tiny so I really doubt the occasional Galantamine cap is anything to worry about.  I do know alcohol takes longer to be filtered through the liver though. 

Anyway, I didnt intend this to be a question of health or anything else - I am someone who already can project and who decided to see what happened with this - people have experimented with worse!  I just wanted to relay my experience.  I would always recommend people research fully the effect of ANY kind of supplement and decide for themselves (which I did  )

[Xanth]

Anyway, I didnt intend this to be a question of health or anything else - I am someone who already can project and who decided to see what happened with this - people have experimented with worse!  I just wanted to relay my experience.  I would always recommend people research fully the effect of ANY kind of supplement and decide for themselves (which I did  )

Oh definitely.  I just needed to add in a slight warning just in case... can't let the Astral Pulse become liable for any information people find here. 

[Greytraveller]

Hallo AstralBeginnings
VERY impressive ! Isn't it strange that sometimes it seems harder to stay IN the physical body then to get out. And no doubt you have had those experiences when you were SSOOoo close to getting OOB yet just couldn't quite manage to leave the body ! 
I too have had multiple OBEs in one night yet my top 'performance' was 6 OBEs.
btw I think that all/most of your experiences were OBEs (or phases if you prefer). Yet being unable to put any real distance away from the physical body probably accounts for the hazy consciousness and lack of focus.

Cheers 
Grey

[AstralBeginnings]

Hi Greytraveller,

I dont mean "phase" as the way the Michael Raduga means, I was referring to the technique of phasing as per Frank Kepple

I know I used a supplement to aid this but throughout all of the projections I honestly felt I learned sooo much.  Like I said I will not be replacing my current practices, I mean I love meditation and I love the feeling of achievement when I succeed and ultimately I am doing this because I want to learn and I fully agree that supplements arent the end goal, but this was a very interesting experiment.  Ive said this in other posts recently but I REALLY feel like learning to project is like riding a bike - people can tell you how to do it, but you need to find the mental understanding for the techniques to work.  I have projected without aid many times and I feel like I am getting the knack, however when I projected so much (albeit aided) this morning I honestly kind of clicked into the understanding part of it more than ever.  Things like (and I know I may not be verbalising these feelings well) focusing on the blackness and sinking into it, like learning to separate the physical environment from the non-physical when phasing and being able to remain passive whilst also being aware of both physical and non and knowledgeably moving from one to the other.  Also that sleep paralysis is not required to project and that I fricken hated it!  Not sure if you can relate to these descriptions but i'm trying to convey that these multiple projections helped me take a crash course.  Normally I project.  Then its a few days or a week (or more!) til I do it again.  I feel like I learn something every time but the gap in between experiences seems to lessen the impact of the learning I made previously.  Today I had at least 20 separate experiences all grouped together and the lessons I learned are much more deeply embedded and I am 100% sure that this experience will aid my natural projections.  

I completely agree with Xanths (sorry the _Ryan is new to me as ive been away ) post creating a disclaimer and I do not encourage anyone to do this, especially for someone trying to do this for the first time and to be honest, even I was a bit blown away by this so its definitely not something I would suggest for a first timer.  But for me, personally I am glad I did it.  I honestly dont know if I will do it again any time soon or maybe even again using supplements but I am glad I did it this once.

About the distance from my physical body thing - ive never experienced this before.  The only possible reason I can suggest is that when I project naturally, my energy levels are correct for projection.  When I did this using supplements, I did it (in a way) artificially.  Yes the lessons were good but maybe I wasnt energetically "topped up" for it.

EDIT TO ADD: I know they arent a substance you ingest and therefore not physically harmful, but people regularly "supplement" their projection efforts with Binaurals. 

[ArmyOfOne1911]

Astralbeginnings, have you learned how to fly yet in OBES? I know this is a little off topic but just curious!

[AstralBeginnings]

Astralbeginnings, have you learned how to fly yet in OBES? I know this is a little off topic but just curious!

I flew on my 1st attempt (which wasnt my first OBE btw).  Before I did it I had no pre-conceptions of NOT being able to do it so I just assumed (i.e. knew) that I could, and I did.  I guess its just a matter of belief. 

Plus, I used to have OBE's all the time when I was a kid, and I used to fly all the time - I just didnt know they were OBEs at the time!  Sorry for the overuse of the word time - this will be the last time

[ArmyOfOne1911]

No prob! I use the word time, time after time. lol


That's cool man I was just curious.

[predatoo]

  unfortunately it seems like you need a prescription to get galantamine in australia, and they are expensive! but, in all honesty, i'm sure people occasionally indulge in some alcohol, or purchase a fatty treat from the store.. everything is okay in moderation. safe dosage is 3 times a week or less, and i'm sure that is too regular for most people to wish to endure. excess consumption results in dizziness, nauseousness, and potentially, lack of sleep. of course, no one should accept anything like this blindly
  i am jealous though! i am familiar with having consecutive projections, but that sounds like it would be pretty crazy!

[AstralBeginnings]

  unfortunately it seems like you need a prescription to get galantamine in australia, and they are expensive! but, in all honesty, i'm sure people occasionally indulge in some alcohol, or purchase a fatty treat from the store.. everything is okay in moderation. safe dosage is 3 times a week or less, and i'm sure that is too regular for most people to wish to endure. excess consumption results in dizziness, nauseousness, and potentially, lack of sleep. of course, no one should accept anything like this blindly
  i am jealous though! i am familiar with having consecutive projections, but that sounds like it would be pretty crazy!

Hi Predatoo, I live in the United Arab Emirates and could not find it here at all!  I bought online from the USA - its crazy cheap there!

[predatoo]

oh true! i assumed there would be problems with customs but was that not the case?

[bluremi]

AstralBeginnings, can you please post back to this thread in a week or so and let us know if what you learned during that experience has actually helped you to project more reliably?

I have occasionally meditated on psychotropics and it seemed to come very easily to me, and I always felt afterwards that I had learned a new technique or approach that would make it very easy to reach the same deep state later on. It usually didn't work that way, although it is difficult to tell because these things are very subjective.

Anyway, I'd be very interested to know if this was indeed a useful experience for your long-term aspirations or if it was just a nice foray.

[AstralBeginnings]

oh true! i assumed there would be problems with customs but was that not the case?

No not at all, its not illegal here its just nowhere to be found!

[AstralBeginnings]

AstralBeginnings, can you please post back to this thread in a week or so and let us know if what you learned during that experience has actually helped you to project more reliably?

Its funny you should ask that because one of the things I mentioned earlier in this thread about "focusing on the blackness" was something I tried last night (un-aided). 

I woke up around 2am and felt restless and for some reason felt like trying the "focusing on the blackness" that I had discovered when projecting using Galantamine.  It took a few minutes for me to get "into the zone" - kinda like looking at a magic eye picture - but it worked and I had an RTZ OBE.  This time it was much clearer than when using Galantamine and I could move and fly like usual.  It didnt last long but I was extremely happy that something I learned when using supplements actually helped me project naturally.

I wish I could describe the process better but its literally like focusing on the blackness in my mind and drawing myself, or my focus, into it using what I can only describe as intent.  The blackness than envelops my focus and I get a sinking and rolling sensation and then I get a moment when I know I am non-physical.

[Greytraveller]

Hi AstralBeginnings
Spiritual progress, specifically advancing 'skills' out of body, does not follow a linear time line. At least not for myself and, apparently, most people. Sometimes it takes weeks or months to process and 'integrate' a new astral experience ( here are a few past OBEs and APs that I'm still trying to fit into my 'scheme of things'). Other times the learning curve is very short and multiple OBEs/APs occur, and are vividly recalled, over a very short time. If this is true (and I strongly believe that it is) then you have just passed (aced?) some type of astral exam by showing obvious skills and ability to transition FAs into LDs and exit into an OBE at will.

Regards 
Grey