New member here, astral projecting. :Dy

[Anonymouse]

Hi everyone, from Spain here.

I've been reading this site for a couple of months now, and have been trying to archieve an OBE ever since I discovered it. First times I was just attemping, to see how it goes ( I haver never tried any sort of meditation, or anything like that). I almost instantly got the falling sensation as if I was falling down, and spinning at the same time. It amazed me, of course I got too excited and my body got a little tense, since those sensations were new to me.

I can't say I have archieved one. But I think I'm getting pretty close.

I want to ask a couple of things though; Every time I try it, I get the feeling as if my body is far far away from me, below my own self. I also got the heart chakras racing madness. The problem is that I get too excited when this things occurr (Excuse my english). I know is a matter of patience, and patience is a thing I have (eaven though I'm 22, and I'm pretty mentally active).

I have found some answeres to this nervous feeling I get any time I feel those weird but pleasant sensations, one of them is to do regular energy work to stabilize my Energy Body. It has helped me so far, eaven last night, I was doing some energy work, and I started to feel that "getting farther away from my body", I managed to stay calmed and keep up with the energy work. After that, I started to feel as If my head was really turning red (as If you do some heavy heavy strength exercises). That sensation came down to my shoulders as well, and chest. I can't say it was surely vibrations, since I never had those, but I surely felt something powerful there). Again, I got excited and everything stoped.

Just wanted to tell here my experiences, ad see if anyone else have been in my state before, or is at the moment.

Appart from that, thank you to everyone for keeping this place as it is. So much great information here, and pretty nice people. All I can say is that my biggest goal in life right now, is to get as much knowledge as possible I can  before I leave this place. I take this life as an opportunity to learn, feel, and share.

Thank you everyone, and enjoy this big travel called life



P.D.   Also I want to add, that I'm not alone in this. Three of my closest friends are moving towards getting out of body. We share experiences, thoughts, and information. I can surely tell you human kind will fully awake, no longer this material world can fill our lifes. I'm sure we all have learned enough in our past living experiences. I get the feeling that important things will happen to us in this life, in this period of time. We are all together in it, we are all walking towards the same path.

[Boom]

Buenas Anonymouse, 

Just replying to give you a shout also from Spain Where in Spain are you? I'm one of those horrible English people on the Costa Del Sol near Gibraltar

Its small steps each time.. The first time I felt the woosh feeling going into a projection. It was exciting, and my excitement brought me out of it.   I'm still very very novice at this as well.

[Anonymouse]

Hello to costa del sol . I'm from Madrid actually. Weather is sweet ins't it??.

Thanks for the response, will surely stick around here more often.

[Contenteo]

Good deal. You are doing great! Bravo. 

What you doing is directly on track with what you should. Congrats to you and your friends. This is a tough road to walk and maintain your sanity in this day and age.

I think you are ready for an OBE.

You need the night attempts to get the 'body far below you feeling', it should almost be like someone threw a large blanket on your body and it feels like it is being pushed down by that 'softness'. Alongside this sensation, comes the feeling of vastness and then hyperventilation/energy problems start to arise. This is what happens when you get to a mature F12. What you have been getting stopped at is the very common place. The 'heart chakra' is the 4th Chakra and if you could imagine the eye of a storm, the winds get faster as you come to the eye. It takes mastery to break through this. Don't pressure yourself or beat yourself up, you need a little help for your first time exit.

Once you are comfortable getting to this F12 stage and pretty confident you can get there if you tried, give a drowsy exit a shot. Remember it's the pleasant 'screw this I am going back to bed for another hour' feeling you are waiting for. Then just try to get to an F12 state. This is where all that practice come in. Don't try and project, just focus on the visualizations. Whatever happens, projection or not, the experience will be vivid and amazing. You will learn a great deal by doing this.

Best to you and your friends on your travels.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Anonymouse]

Thank you for that response Centeneo. I will try that method, I've read about it actually, and was going to give it a host some time soon. Tomorrow morning will be the day.

Also, wanted to say, at some point at night (today) I have dreamed as if I were sleeping at my friends house, and I was trying to have an OBE. But I remember I couldn't manage to do it (I was too tired in that dream) and suddenly I woke up at my home, in my bed. It was 6 in the morning ( I went to sleep late yesterday). I looked out the window, saw it was night out there, and actually thought I've slept  more than 16 hours ( I wasn't feeling tired eaten though I've only slept for 3 hours).

About the visualizations, I lately have been day dreaming while I'm on that state. And it helps, since I get to that F12 state pretty fast. The problem is still being to control my self, since when I get fully there (I have heard some things, as known people screaming at me, and once saw a meteorite (not sure that is how you call them)Coming across to me. Again this was daydreaming, I haven't see those things in my room, I was imagine them, but very very clear, and fully conscious. So I'll stick to that.

Also, I never beat my self up about getting those energy problems. I actually end up laughing at my self. Mainly because I see everything about this is really there. It's not in someone's imagination. I wouldn't get excited if I were only "imagining" feelings.

Thank you for the advices .

Cheers!

[embrace]

Good luck!

[Anonymouse]

Well, these days I've been trying to wake up earlier, and it seems that my body does it by itself. I usually get up 1 hour earlier the alarm goes off.

Yesterday I woke up two times in the middle of the night. I woke up, drunk some water, and laid down to relax. Soon enough the "the hell with it, I'm going to sleep!!" kicked in. I let it surround me, and stay focus with my mind. I felt many many strange but awsome things.

I decided to just relax my mind, and enjoy the relaxation. I felt the lift up pretty soon, a couple of times. After a little while, I asked for help to pull out of my body, I wanted to see, know my self, know everything around me, and help as much as I could. It's weird because I wasn't thinking it per se, there weren't words in my mind, just feels.   After a little while (1 minute or so) I felt as if a big big spinning wheel (horizontal) full with lights, took me up.  It was a great great feeling, so I just let it took me up.

After a while though, I felt some strange strange feelings, bad feelings. As if someone was in the room with me, and I started to see images I didn't like. I focused, and said to my self (get the hell out of my room), still, the feeling didn't get away. So I concentrate on my chest, and focused all my energy in there, once It started to feel full I imagine as if an explosion of white light came out of my chest and surrounded my entire house, and everything around me. Those feelings went away, it was a pretty cool sensation.

I then thought, that those bad feelings were probably just my mind playing tricks. I thought of every movie, every little "excrement" (hehe nice alternative to what I wrote )  I've read in my life, and realized it all came from there. I said to my self not to let my mind do that again.

After that, just for fun, I imagined a white being pulling me up, holding my hand. Soon enough I started to get away from my body again. But not for long, I was way too tired (I woke up at 7 am, it was 8;30), so I just let my self go back to my body and fall asleep.

[Anonymouse]

Hey!.

Tried again this afternoon, before and after a nap. I can tell I have made great progress already .

Today I decided to do the method of a fellow poster here, Cosmic.iron. I have tried the cycles he mention right before sleeping. And quickly started to feel those familiar and pleasant sensations (I still have a little "tingle" (sorry for my english) in my arms and center of the chest).

After doing those cycles, I went to sleep (eaven though I wasn't tired at all). The thing, is that I though I haven't sletp. But I dreamed for a very short while that I covered my self with a blanket. It's a shame I wasn't lucid enough to notice I was dreaming it!!! Cause I could have start doing any of the phase methods right there .

I woke up minutes later, and realized I dreamed about covering my self (since I wasn't covered). I decided to just stay in that position a little while, and enjoy my self. I started to hear a "zzzzmmm" in my right hear, and for some reason I thought it was a mosquito! so I found my self trying to get it away from my ear... seconds later I realized it wasn't a mosquito.

One thing that never happened to me before, is feeling those sensations after any of my sesions, but right now, I'm still there. My legs, armas are very light, and seems like my chest is having a little party inside. Also I was very calmed today, and I'm still calmed. Eaven during any of the feelings.

See you around

[Contenteo]

Awesome!

A brilliant experience. Great work. That first one my friend sounds like a full fledged drowsy exit F18 experience. F21 come when you finally bounce around the environment. The person in the room with yourself is you. Yeah, I'll repeat. It's you. The self is a resonant entity of sorts. It's your brain activity, viewed from a different angle. Feels weird at first. But trust me, becoming familiar with this and digging deep into it will give you the autonomy to travel and do what you want with ease.

Remember the rules now:
Intent is King
Emotions and thoughts instantly manifest. 

Over time you'll get used to the person in the room with you. In fact, understanding will make you a better person all around. You'll become hyper observant of the world and beings around you.

Here's a good example to help you relate: You feel like someone is watching you. You hair goes up. You get goosebumps.  You become very aware. At the point you are focusing back on you mind. Bingo. Same feeling.

In this scenario you slip into your right brain, the parallel processor, to crush all the data streaming from the left, the serial processor. Here, you notice the information streaming from the left brain, personified as another entity, simply because you are removing "yourself" from the situation in order to see more.

You are doing great, keep us posted.


Cheers,
Contenteo

P.S. 

It's weird because I wasn't thinking it per se, there weren't words in my mind, just feels.

You just know, what is going on. It's downloaded right into your psyche. This is a main method in which communication occurs throughout the "astral planes."

[Rudolph]

Emotions and thoughts instantly manifest. 

I am pretty sure this isn't really true.
I have been in lots of OBEs where thoughts did not manifest at all and others when the thought manifested as a delayed action.

One LD I was thinking this is my dream so I can do whatever I want. I walked over to a guy sitting at a table working on a laptop. I said, "I can make you disappear" and then I thought, "wait... that's no good, then he won't be here to see what I did". I looked down and saw a ping pong paddle and I picked it up and said, "Watch, I will make this disappear" and I waved my hand over it abracadabra style but nothing happened. I thought "Huh!" and I put down on the table and asked myself, "why didn't it disappear? and then I looked down again and it was gone.

[Anonymouse]

Well, one way or another, the thing actually disappeared. Maybe not instantly though.

Still, thoughts/emotions do manifest pretty quickly as they come. We can all agree about that. I think it depends on the complex of the though/emotion itself, and how you were thinking before that.

IF you are fill with anger, you realize it, and consequently try to think in a positive/loving way; that anger wont fade away instantly, and you wont irradiate happiness right after you thought about it. It takes some time but it will happen eventually.

Guessing from it, there are different levels of thoughts/emotions, consequently; different timing for those two to manifest.

[Rudolph]

I was specifically talking about thoughts because I have experimented with emotion and I can manifest "ecstasy" of a sort at will and it is instantaneous.

But many types of thoughts do not manifest at all half the time for me. Two "personal servants" were introduced to me several years ago in an OBE and I have called upon them several times and they have not ever shown up. Most of the time when I think about the Akashic Records they do not "immediately" manifest.

Lots of thoughts do not manifest at all.

[Anonymouse]

Well, for me what you are describing aren't really thoughts, but desires or things you will to happen. I think there is a difference between, a thought and a desire. Based on my experience of course

[Xanth]

Well, for me what you are describing aren't really thoughts, but desires or things you will to happen. I think there is a difference between, a thought and a desire. Based on my experience of course

That's the point I was just about to make.  lol

"Thoughts" are one thing... "Intent" is another altogether.

That saying should probably be "Emotions and Thoughts through INTENT instantly manifest."
At least, from my experience, that's how it is.

[Rudolph]

That saying should probably be "Emotions and Thoughts through INTENT instantly manifest."
At least, from my experience, that's how it is.

Even with that edit/rephrase it still isn't true.

Lots of people Think the Thought and formulate intent to go somewhere like the Akashic Records for example, but they do not go there. Many people can't go through closed doors or walls, despite thought and intent to do so.

[Contenteo]

Be careful on definitions here. Remember we are dealing with a completely intangible realm.

Manifesting is that act of becoming palpable.

Remember that your entire astral experience is 'thought energy.'
We are intangible beings having a physical experience, not physical beings having an intangible experience."
- Thomas Campbell

Your emotions and intents are as palpable as the air you feel around you right now.
Or better yet, the body you can touch right now.

You make 'change' with your body through intent, it is simply constrained by the physical. Such a constraint does not exist in the astral. The constraint is now rather Intent itself.
Xanth made a brilliant amendment to add additional clarity, but intent is not necessary, such as in the case of a nightmare. Your thoughts and emotions become your body.

This is why in a F21 experience (a experience that happens within you) is wholly what you make it. This F21 state becomes you astral body when you enter higher levels. Thus the rules change slightly.


Cheers,
Contenteo

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

[Rudolph]

Xanth made a brilliant amendment to add additional clarity, but intent is not necessary, ...

  "Brilliant" as long as you invalidate the only significant addition he introduced?!

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

[Stookie_]

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.

This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

Yeah, I gotta go with Rudolph on this one. IMO this is where it's important to have very clear thinking and intent, because it's extremely easy to be deceived and get caught up in deception/illusion and never get beyond the astral. I question just about everything I encounter and look at it in terms of symbolism or being relative to something else.

[Anonymouse]

Hi everyone again.

I have done some attemps lately. Things are going better since I don't rush it anymore. I mostly get deep deep breaths, and feel all the air inside me. I usually see my self (not see, but I feel my self) being at high hill, by a tree, feeling the air mostly. Which is a great sensation. While in this state, my vision started to change, and I started to see clearer in that darkness of eyes closed. It's hard to describe.

Also, I don't know if it's my mind playing tricks on me but I have had some LD in the past. But since I got them, all my dreams are very simple and ordinary, so there is basically nothing I can recall as part of a dream, ergo I can't wake up in that dream. It's pretty funny how mind works, now that I know I can wake up on my dreams, my dreams get as linear as waking up, drinking up some coffee, and going back to bed  .

Last night, after realxing my self, and getting into that awake dreaming state, I decided to just go to sleep, so I laid in my side to get to sleep. But right when I got in my side, I started to spin madness, more than ever, I was seeing tat wheel again, fill with lights. I let my self go, and the spins got faster and faster and faster, to a point I was feeling very very dizzy. It was pretty cool, but I was so exhausted (I stayed in bed, doing energy work and realxing my self for over an hour), that the feeling faded away, and I fall asleep.


My way of seing life is chaning. I'm seeing everything more clear, and I can see now how my way of thinking was before I actually awake. I usually get this urge to go outside, and just enjoy the sun, the sand, the wind and I actually follow it pretty often. I've seen "eyes" when I close my own, or a single eye sometime, very very very clear. It's pretty amazing.

I play music, and my way of playing it has also changed, I can let my self go, and I can tell you it goes smooth. I used to get this "god I'm not doing this right" before, that has disappeared now.

I can say I'm happy, in a very different way I thought happiness was all about.


Thanks for reading, replying, or anything. And excuse my english, I still mess the verbs quite a lot.

Take care!

[Lionheart]

 Congratulations my friend, it looks like you are truly finding your "inner peace". Conscious Astral travel changes you and your beliefs in many ways. But it is all a personal thing. That is the reason time and time again I tell people not to undertake this until they feel they are ready for this change in their lives. I read about people that just want to try it for fun and that's there choice. But when you open yourself up to it 100% and really focus on it, it will become you! 

[Anonymouse]

You couldn't be more right. Thanks you for the kind words

[Contenteo]

Congrats. 

It is so cool how that occurs. I can remember the days when I was going through that change. Sleeping is never just sleeping anymore. And it only gets better.

P.S.  This explains why things like lying, cheating, and deception are not possible in the astral, but that's for another thread.


This is not true either. Not even a little bit. The Astral plane is a realm of nearly pure illusion. The BST alone are a clear demonstration of that. Complete deception and communal self delusion.
If you accept the notion that the astral is a precursor to the physical then all lying, cheating, and deception, etc. must exist in firm etheric reality before it coalesces here.

Ok, illusion, disolution and perception are all the same thing. What I was addressing was entities lying to one another. It can't happen. You are what you intend. You wear your intent like a scarlet letter in the astral. In addition, there is no scarcity. There is no material. There is no materialism. There is no reason to decieve or lie to one another.

The only deception I have ever witnessed was other entities playing practical jokes on me because they realized I was some n00b human projector. No ill intent, just fun. We are talking about a realm of PUL here. Personifying human nature into this realm is not sound logic. It's causal reasoning and has it's fair set of fallacies.

Much PUL,
Contenteo

[3toedsloth]

I started to hear a "zzzzmmm"

Sounds to me like you're reaching the vibration stage without much difficulty. You should know just reaching this stage is generally one of the hardest parts!

The next step is for you to relax and let go. Try to be happy about reaching that stage, it's a major accomplishment! You need to be able to let go of any fear you have when you're in that stage. It WILL prevent you from advancing. Think of it this way- the WORST that can happen is you wake up. That being the case, what is their to fear?

For me, once i realized this was the gateway to projection, I no longer felt any fear. Now when I hear the buzzing I generally have to try and quell my excitement because that will snap me back. I've actually woke myself up laughing and smiling with excitement once while I was in this stage!

You're doing fantastic, and you're SO CLOSE! Keep working at it and keep us posted!

[Rudolph]

Ok, illusion, disolution and perception are all the same thing.

That is not true.

Perception from the Atmic position beyond duality is outside of the realm of Illusion. But most APers do not even know what this is much less have any experience of it.

What I was addressing was entities lying to one another. It can't happen.

Yes, it can. It happens all the time in the astral.
This is one of the reasons there are so many pseudo-teachers out there all spouting contradictory theories and stories. Some Trikster met them in the Astral and fed them a line of BS and pretended to be spreading Truth. They lace their load of nonsense with sprinkles of the sort of stuff the Astral Seeker wants to hear and the noobs swallow it whole. They go back to their bodies and write books and voila' -- mass confusion.

In addition, there is no scarcity. There is no material. There is no materialism. There is no reason to decieve or lie to one another.

Well, there is definitely a scarcity of Truth. And there is plenty of "material" and plenty of materialism. The astral material is much 'finer' than physical but it is still astral 'material'. There are all sorts of reasons to deceive and it goes on practically non-stop in the astral realm.

Personifying human nature into this realm is not sound logic. It's causal reasoning and has it's fair set of fallacies.

That is like saying "a pitcher throwing a ball to the first baseman is not sound logic". Of course it is sound logic. APers project their human nature all the time. It is exceedingly common. It is all part of the game.


(maybe this should be moved to the 'philosophy' section?)

[Xanth]

Even with that edit/rephrase it still isn't true.

Lots of people Think the Thought and formulate intent to go somewhere like the Akashic Records for example, but they do not go there. Many people can't go through closed doors or walls, despite thought and intent to do so.

You're not understanding what "Intent" is then.

Intent...
It's the difference between intending to move your hand, and actually moving your hand.
You can intend to move your hand as much as you want, but it won't do anything until you actually MOVE your hand.  The act of moving your hand is you placing the Intent.  It's what occurs a fraction before the action. 

I hope that made some sense.  LoL

Yes, it can. It happens all the time in the astral.
This is one of the reasons there are so many pseudo-teachers out there all spouting contradictory theories and stories. Some Trikster met them in the Astral and fed them a line of BS and pretended to be spreading Truth. They lace their load of nonsense with sprinkles of the sort of stuff the Astral Seeker wants to hear and the noobs swallow it whole. They go back to their bodies and write books and voila' -- mass confusion.

Let's consider for a second the possibility of "why" people get "deceived" in the non-physical in this manner.

I think they choose to be deceived, whether consciously or subconsciously, because they're hoping for something greater for themselves (EGO).

If you're really "open" and gearing towards a lower entropy position for yourself, I'm in full agreement with Contenteo, you can't be deceived in the non-physical.   
His assessment that you "wear your intent like a scarlet letter in the astral" is, in my experience, most accurate.  It's the energy you put out that tells all about your Intent. 

Although, I will give you that it could potentially take someone some time and experience to figure that out first.  A lot of newbies have a couple or a few experiences then begin to base truths off those miniscule events.  Hence you end up with the noobs swallowing it whole phenomenon you mentioned.  Those "noobs" are choosing to be deceived... they're not being objective because they're letting their ego get in the way.