Proof for astral projection

[zareste]

It's all detectable with machines that detect electromagnetism of various kinds. Tesla made some devices for it, as well as some Eastern engineers.

[todd421757]

It's all detectable with machines that detect electromagnetism of various kinds. Tesla made some devices for it, as well as some Eastern engineers.

Thanks zareste for the information. I agree with you. The etheric body is electromagnetic in nature. It should be capable of being detectable. It is as objective as the physical body. It just follows a different vibratory frequency.

Repercussions of the physical body could be measured also. For example, when the etheric body comes back into alignment with the physical body very abruptly, and the physical body reacts with a sudden jolt. This has happened to me quite a few times. Vibrations and their repercussions on the physical body would be another great thing to try to measure. I have had two people feel my physical body vibrate that came from etheric vibrations.

I think these type of things should be researched and measured to show how the etheric field directly affects the physical plane. I would also like to find a way to measure the quantum template (Vehram energy system) that keeps our etheric body intact and also fuels it with electromagnetic energy.

[Boom]

We can not give objective proof of the non-physical. Astral Projection, Remote Viewing, Lucid Dreams are all subjective experiences that can not be validated with the current scientific method, at least not yet. Try not to worry about proving the reality of these experiences to anyone else but yourself. Often times we feel like we need to prove it to someone else in order to convince ourselves. Keep a healthy balance of open minded skepticism and enjoy.

It's not a case for me of proving Astral Projection.  I know it is possible, I've done it.  However it's more of a case of proving what Astral Projection really is?  Are we focussing our consciousness away from our physical bodies, interacting with spirits from other dimensions, and those passed?  Or are we simply having a very clear lucid dream?  I just want to be careful of having an experience then instantly jumping on a bandwagon of a belief system.  It would be rather life changing for me to prove that I am more than just a physical body and that my consciousness/soul will continue on after I die.  But Astral Projection has yet to prove that for me, and I would arguably state that it hasn't proven that for most other people on here either.

[desert-rat]

I posted this once , got mistaken for a  spammer , and the post got taken down . Any way one night I willed my self to give my phone number to any one that I might meet .   I cant consciously a.p. but I do get dreams of being out of body .   I got some dreams where only kids could see me and most were afraide of me .  I did get some out of state phone calls where no one spoke .  If I did get a phone call form some one that did not know me saying that they got the number from what they thought was a ghost , to me that would be proof .   Also there is a story of a British member of Parliment that while he was very sick in bed used a.p. to appear in Parliment and cast his vote ( late 1800-early 1900s some where ) I read it in a book on a.p. if I get his name I will post it .   desert rat 

[the8reader]

for proof the best i got was when i had a sexual encounter with my neighbor upstairs. i aped or she pulled me out. eather way i was out and there was a girl standing by me, then she jumped on me. so without going into detail. i had zipped back to my body at some point. i was able to get back to being out of body and there she was laying on the floor of my room. she was also out of body just to make things clear. i helped her up and asked if she was ok. nothign was said and she ziped back to hers.

i though nothing of it just an ap with a human urge. i left my apt. and bumped into her outside. she said thanks for the fun time. i looked puzzeled, she laughed and said thanx for helping me up. so who knows, makes me wonder. worst part about it i still feel a bit connected to her and i dont even know her last name haha.

[Lionheart]

 It sounds like you both had a subconscious intent to be together. Congratulations, that sounded like a good time!  

[the8reader]

ya was not bad at all. 

[catmeow]

Maybe you should subtly ask her for a bit more info next time you see her. After all, sounds interesting...

[the8reader]

ya i would but i moved and not sure if she still around were i used to live. will have to ask more if i see her.

[todd421757]

That was a great experience. Thanks for sharing.

[David Warner]

I definitely have to get in on this thread here..

I am going to sum it all up with a clear concise reply.

If you are serious about proving if OBE is real or not, it is... 

So now, that I have spoken the word take it for everything I write.....  but you have to prove it to yourself first before others. You are the *one* that has to go out and get it! Not by just a few random experiences, but running the whole marathon and pursuing.

Let me tell you a real story... Five years ago, I was about 225lbs way over-weight. So I wanted to lose weight by running and diet. So if I told you five years ago, I am going to lose x amount of pounds, run half marathon, 25k, and a full marathon in one year.. You would probably laugh.. But that is what happened and within 2-3 years I achieved that goal of a full marathon. Along the way, I learned how to run, breath, desire, and reach the goal of 26.2

It is the same way with projecting and with anything you do in life if you find a *way* to make it obtainable. Even thou it took me close to 20 years to obtain proof, it all came to me without trying to prove it. Weird as it might sound, that actually happened. When I stopped focusing on being hell bent on proving the reality of OBE, failing year after year. I gave up and when I surrendered to that - then the course changed.

Proving it to someone else is futile  - if they want to the proof, let them do the work, research, and training. It is all about energy and you are #1 to prove it to yourself. Just imagine if you did prove it to someone, then you would have to prove it to the next one, so on. And even *if so* you had hard core evidence, there still would be people that would say its a trick, hoax, and the list of excuses goes on and on.

Now, I am not saying never to do validations, or targets with images, cards, other people. Go for it!!  But be careful and realize that no matter what you say, or even if you did validate your own claims. People will want the proof.... and then still say its make believe hoax.

Hope this helps

DW

[rezaf]

I have also had quite a few accidental validations before and I guess for the most part AP is very real. In the future I won't talk about AP and other paranormal subjects to people who don't have enough knowledge about them so it is not necessary for me to prove anything to anyone anymore, however I am going to practice on targets like cards in order to train myself and dust off my skills. Who knows? Perhaps very soon there will be more powerful astral projection practitioners who can convince the mainstream science to do more research on AP by showing them such direct validations.

[David Warner]

Rezef,

You hit it right on the head!

Accidental validations vs. forced verification's. It is nice to have a controlled validation and I have had them, but
not like the accidentals.

I would strongly suggest that you put together when you project, document the date, time, experience, and break it down to controlled, accidental, precognitive obe, etc.. This data once collected over a period of time will give you the *proof* you need. Plus, it is documented by you and be honest when you are going about this.

The very first thing you will want to do is grab the notepad, audio recorder and dictate the date,time, nature of the OBE. Once that is completed, save it, archive it for later reference if needed. You don't want to contaminate the validation with altering the experience or twisting it to validate physical to astral to match.

I give you an example:

In one OBE, it was a false awakening. My wife came into the room, looked down at me, got into bed and we held each other. Minutes later as I broke out of the false awakening, the same event occurred note for note. I didn't say anything - it all happened just as it did in the false awakening. This was just not one time, we are talking multiple times with different variations.

I immediately documented everything so later I could review this data and not edit, enhance, or add to it later.

Another example: I was in OBE, saw a playing card and returned back to the body. Immediately, documented the whole experience. A day later I was jogging, I came up to a playing card at my place of work in this neighborhood on the sidewalk face down. Of all places yah know and WHY? So take a guess what the card face up was?..  

Here is the documented OBE journal back in 2005.


Date: 7/14/2005
Time: 3:45AM – 3:53AM
Subject:  Card Verification Experiment #1 – Conscious Projection


Author:  David A. Warner
© Copyright 2007
www.invisiblelight.us


OBE Journal (Validation)

This was the first time that I had setup the experiment with the cards. My wife placed one card on the bedroom door and another card on the door that leads to the mudroom and to the outside the house. Both cards were faced down taped at the top. I figured this would be a great experiment and not to hard to miss since I would be projecting into that path.

The cards were placed on the door about 3-4 weeks ago and it took me that long to finally wield the results.

Anyways, roughly around 3:30AM 7/14/2005 I awakened into the trance state after have gone to bed about a 1/2hr prior. I did feel the vibrations and realize that I was rather in a good stance to project. As always, I just rolled out off the bed and onto the floor. I knew exactly what I wanted to accomplish and that was to view the card on the door. I floated around the bed frame and pushed my way towards the door. I was able to pull the card off the door and view the number and suit. The card that I read was the King of Diamonds. After that, I lost control and was pulled back the way I traveled around the bed-frame.

The weird thing is that when I was on the bed, my astral body was upright and my legs were on the bed. Basically, sitting upright on the bed and during that time I was spinning around in circles. I felt the physical body trying to re-align my astral inside of my physical but just couldn't. I had to actually had to lay down and focus and could feel the alignment kick in.
I kinda of wonder if this would be a good technique to prevent from coming back into the physical if you want to stay out longer?

Now, the next part is interesting because I thought I had awakened in the physical. I could see my wife Katie and she said to me "Wow, that was fast for you to verify the card". So we both went over to the door, pulled the card off and this time it was 8 of hearts.

Finally, I physically awakened and realized what had just occurred. So I grabbed my notepad, and removed the physical card off the door and went into the kitchen were there was light. I would be able to write the notes and see the actual card. To my surprise the physical card in the bedroom was 2 of hearts. Even though it wasn't the 8 at least I got the suit correct.

I decided not to remove the card on the front door leading to the mud room because I would again try to project later.


Date: 7/14/2005
Time: 10:30AM – 10:37AM
Subject:  Card Verification Experiment #2  God is the Famous One


Well, at 10:46AM I was able to project and this time no vibes were present. I did hear music from this astral projection subliminal tape I listen to physically and imagined myself rolling inside my physical like a log quickly turning.

Getting out of the body was a breeze and I moved quickly to the front door with the objective of reveling the second card. At the time, I was able to see the card and make out the number, contents BUT the problem that occurred which wasn't really a problem. I was able to stay out of body for 10-15mins exploring everything around me. I knew at the time if I was to abort the projection and come back that the experience would be cut short. So I decided to put the card in my pocket for when I would lose consciousness I could quickly look at the card upon returning and have a better memory.

Well, never a less I didn't realize this experience would be very beautiful, moving, and so inspirational that I forgot about the card details. During the experience I ran into two teenagers that I had asked if there were deceased and they both laughed at me. After that, I saw 3 black people, 2 men and 1 woman. I had asked them specifically if they were deceased and the black woman said "yes and that God is her savior and glory to be" I told her that I was sorry to hear that and agreed with her about her statement.

The other elements of the projection is that I was in a backyard which to be believed by me I was located at my mom and dads in the astral. When I was on the back deck, there were many flowers growing. Red, Pink and White in one flower petal. so I decided to pull the flower off and smell it. I could sense the texture, winkle touch and smell the scent of the flower. After that I turned to the sky and said "God, I love you and Thank You for this gift". Also, I asked help from a higher source like a angel or something from God. When I looked at the sky I could see a shimmer of a ray of light beam thru this pine tree and out from no where was this bird. The bird was a size of a watermelon, almost like a blown up puffer fish. I asked this bird at the time if you/it/he/her was my helper and it nodded back to me gracefully shaking his head up and down.

There's more to this experience and probably would take another 2-3 pages to detail, but I picked out the beautiful highlights of the experience. Imagine if I had aborted the projection upon verifying the card what I would have lost...!

When I finally returned back to my physical body, I went to the kitchen room and removed the card off of the mud room door. The physical playing card was the Jack of Diamonds.

What is truly interesting about this experiment is that the first projection and the false awakening the both times that cards matched the suit.

Astral Bedroom - card I read was King of Diamonds
Physical Front Room Door - card is Jack of Diamonds

Physical Bedroom - card was 2 of hearts
False Awaking Astral Bedroom - card I read with my wife was 8 of Hearts

What I think happened is that in the first projection and false awakening I had already read both cards. So if I was reading the card in the bedroom, I would have been actually reading it in the front room kitchen door and vice verse. I know that the card in the astral that I tried reading on the second attempt was not suit or the number on the physical cards. I am going by gut instinct and vague memory.

The odds of having the same suit in one astral projection and false awakening attempt is 416 to 1. I still have more experiments with the cards but for a first time shot - pretty dam good!!!


Date: 7/14/2005 [/b]
Later that day I was on my break jogging. I've been jogging at work for 15Min's a day for the last couple of months. Along my travels there was a playing card face down on the cement. I did not pick the card up because I wanted to finish my jog.

Date: 7/15/2005
Anyways, I came up to the card again on my daily jog this evening and still faced down.
Out of curiosity I picked the card up.. To my surprise it was the Jack of Diamonds.

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So what I am trying to say is that these experiences do offer proof. Maybe not right away in this case, but it happens. So be diligent and active in documenting.. The more data you can obtain - the picture will paint itself to knowing it is real!

All the best,

DW