Initialisation of Vibrations

[Szaxx]

Hi All,

This topic is aimed at all levels of projection from absolute beginners with no experience to the advanced old timers.
The subject of vibrations being necessary in order to project has come to light and an interesting theory by various authors on the subject claiming they are a necessary part of an exit technique.
The main point for now being what you did to get them in detail with the effects you experienced and the length of time approximately they lasted for.
A few including myself have never or on a few occasions had them.
It would be interesting to hear how these help or indicate an exit attempt.
Generally known and posted is at the onset there is a soft pulling sensation which if noticed allows an exit attempt to be very successful.
Anything read by names could be referenced with links if possible for further reading by all.
Thanks for reading.

[Lionheart]

 I find that the vibrations help you to realize you are close to succeeding with your real goals. I know they are just a "sign post", but sign posts are nice to have. When I first began having conscious OBE's the first area I went to had a wooden sign saying "Training Zone". I practiced in this zone of mine for quite a long time, before I finally moved on. I know it was of my own design, but it showed me some kind of progress was being made and that is important with this whole OBE challenge. 
The only times I haven't experienced vibrations is when I came across an OBE after a short blackout while attempting to project.

[LightBeam]

From mechanical point of view vibrations can be caused by imbalances in rotating parts, uneven friction, meshing of gear teeth, etc. The above example can very well be applied to energy as well. When two energy waves of different frequency interact, they can cause the same phenomena.  Or when the energy itself is adjusting from one frequency to another. The unevenness of two frequencies triggers the "inner vibrations" that many OBEers experience.

Why do some people can OBE without experiencing them? That may depend on the techniques they are using to achieve OBE. For example, if the practitioner does energy work frequently, meditates, uses phasing, etc, all these methods GRADUALLY adjust the frequency of present consciousness, until it equalizes with the one of the nearest astral area.
If an OBE is achieved from a lucid dream, the consciousness had drifted again gradually from sleep state, to a dream state, to lucidity.
Some people have naturally raised their energy frequency and are more attuned to the astral areas at all times, than others. And when they experience an OBE there is not much to adjust.

I personally prefer to experience strong vibrations, because as Lionheart said, they make you more aware of what you are about to experience, and to me it gives me a lot more control and focus, as well as vivid details recall afterwards. Actually I don't even make an effort to remember my experiences; they feel more real than the reality itself. It is like if you do something in the physical world today, will you forget or have foggy memories tomorrow?
My techniques are simple, do not require prolonged energy work and usually the vibrations do the job to wake me up sometime during the night. I do have quite often OBEs from lucid dreams as well, where I do not experience the vibrations.

Conclusion: Vibrations are not crucial for the achievement of AP. They accompany the so called "exits" or "separations" for lack of better terms, because the practitioner had suddenly shifted his energy from low to high frequency. For beginners they are beneficial to raise their awareness and give them a chance to realize what is happening, so that they can use their thoughts to navigate.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
The recall is interesting too. With or without vibrations there's a difference?
My recall is either non existant or excellent. I can still remember outings from 1969 quite clearly and what happned in them, still no vibrations at that time.
I've never had them while phasing. They appeaerd half way through the night when I was around 14 before the clairvoyant dreams started to manifest. Around 6 months ago they occurred twice in one week and the only thing different than normal was a stiff neck upon awakening.
They could be initiated with the physical not relaxed enough but the energy body has already started to exit. Its a possibility....
Thoughts on this?

[Lionheart]

Hi,
The recall is interesting too. With or without vibrations there's a difference?

Vibrations are noticeable enough to stick with you. They do help with recall for this reason alone.

[Volgerle]

I like Nick Newport's take on this. He explains it as the result of (ineffective) 'surplus energy' and thus 'energy waste' due to friction. It then also elaborates why you can have no vibrations at all and why they are even better, because they don't waste energy:

"Physical and nonphysical awarenesses are both types of signals that you focus on. During the middle stage of an OBE exit you're making the transition from one to the other and you experience both physical and nonphysical signals. These signals have energy. When you sum both of these signals together you pass through a phase where you're running double the amount of energy you normally would.
If this energy is more than your system can comfortably handle, you get distortion. The big fancy signal processing name for this is intermodulation distortion. The name is not so important as the fact that this energy hump does not go on forever, it comes and then goes and this is critical to understanding how to deal with vibrations.
(...)
Keep in mind that the vibrations only happen when the total energy goes beyond what your nonphysical body is capable of conducting. The more OBEs you do, the more energy you can run without problems and the less vibrations you'll have. Eventually almost all your OBEs will be vibration-free.
(...)
Why Vibrationless OBEs Are Brighter And Clearer:
- Chainsaw noise is friction
- Vibrations are noise
- Vibrations are friction
- Friction is a waste of energy
- Vibrations are a waste of energy
- Vibrations simply mean you're wasting energy"

Nick Newport / Lucidology: http://www.lucidology.com/101/pdf/lucidology-101-p10-vibrations-www-lucidology-com.pdf

[Szaxx]

Hi,
I'll read this today, thank you for it.
Intermodulation distortion aka spurious emissions and parasitic harmonic byproducts are typical of over driven active systems in transmission systems. I've never thought if the vibrations in relation to this. Like other electronic engineers have detailed  specifics relating to the oob experience, I can relate to these very well being in that same profession.
I'll think more on this, its like utilising a narrowband FM reciever to recieve wideband signals without necessary filtering.
Well at least my  intermediate frequency amplifiers, crystal filters match the required bandwidth for the oob transmission system, lol.
Nice thought too.

[Fourthdimension]

Hey

Firstly , I've only briefly read a few of the posts above as I need to go out now but I thought I'd just quickly post before I forget too.

From my own experience I get Vibrations most of the times I project but very rarely in the same way described in traditional books like that of Monroe's.

Usually they start at my thighs or just below my root charka.
They feel a bit like 'pins and needles' like when you sit on your foot for too long however when you focus on them you can make them stronger or weaker.
Gradually, they start making their way up my body without much effort from me the only real effort I have to make when I get these Vibrations is telling myself I am going to project so keep hold of that consciousness and dont drift off too sleep.

As they make their way up my body they increase with intensity and usually by the time they reach my solar plexus I only have focus on the vibrations and have forgotten about my body.

These vibrations come with what is called tinnitus like sound in my ears and the stronger the vibrations the stronger the noise however When I am about to project I have always always had that noise but sometimes I have projected without the vibrations so too me the noise is more important that the vibrations.

I cant even start to describe the noise but when the vibrations get to my neck the noise is soo loud and makes me feel like I am going too "pop" and just before the vibrations get too my chin I all of a sudden just "pop" out and that popping out is what I use to project cause soon as I go pop am out of my body.

I also use the noise for concentration and relaxation and much more I dont know what it is or how many people experience it but too me its amazing and the noise hasnt been there since childhood it only first came when I first projected

Does anyone else experience a noise like that?

[todd421757]

From my own experience I get Vibrations most of the times I project but very rarely in the same way described in traditional books like that of Monroe's.

Usually they start at my thighs or just below my root charka.
They feel a bit like 'pins and needles' like when you sit on your foot for too long however when you focus on them you can make them stronger or weaker.
Gradually, they start making their way up my body without much effort from me the only real effort I have to make when I get these Vibrations is telling myself I am going to project so keep hold of that consciousness and dont drift off too sleep.

These vibrations come with what is called tinnitus like sound in my ears and the stronger the vibrations the stronger the noise however When I am about to project I have always always had that noise but sometimes I have projected without the vibrations so too me the noise is more important that the vibrations.

Does anyone else experience a noise like that?

I strongly believe the noise which is contained in the center of the head is a higher frequency version of the vibrations. I believe many of my vibration episodes are actually kundalini vibrations of the main chakra pathway up the spine and into the head to where the noise originates (inside the center of the skull).

I also believe this noise is our connection to our higher self.

Focus on the noise in the center of the head and raise the volume and frequency as high as you can while your eyes are turned upwards. Focus all of your consciousness on the space between your eyes. Ignore all visual phenomena that may show up. Completely forget your physical body and all it's sensations. The noise should form into vibrations after a little while. Whether these vibrations are kundalini vibrations or are classic vibrations are a mystery to me.

Kundalini vibrations from what I have read travel up the spine and into the head region. This may happen instantaneously or it may take years in some people for the vibrations to completely reach the head region.

Kundalini vibrations (Oliver Fox style vibrations):
--Travel upwards on the back side of the body and into the head
--Very high frequency
--Sounds intensify
--Feel energized afterwards
--These vibrations are an internal vibrational system

Classic vibrations (Robert Monroe style vibrations):
--These vibrations are localized in one part of the body or the vibrations are located in the entire body at once
--These vibrations come from pulling energy from the auric egg or Vehram energy system into your body
--These vibrations are coming from an external energy system
--These vibrations are sometimes more coarse and rough

[Szaxx]

Hi,
This is interesting on the level of the effect on you. The 3 occasions I had everyone of them was like a 30 HZ high voltage passing through me more noticeable in my back and chest region. I work with electricity and know its feel very well. The power if it was electric would have killed in less than 2 seconds Im sure. My whole body vibrated much like my bones were connected to the underside of a power float ( the large engine driven tool used to level ground before a concrete base is laid for a factory floor).
It was strange and I tried to make it stronger with little effect.
The noises too can be manipulated into beautiful music that you can alter or create. This is possible in F10 Ive read recently. Either Astral Dynamics or franks posts.
Very interesting.
More later...

[Lionheart]

Usually they start at my thighs or just below my root chakra.
They feel a bit like 'pins and needles' like when you sit on your foot for too long however when you focus on them you can make them stronger or weaker.
Gradually, they start making their way up my body without much effort from me the only real effort I have to make when I get these Vibrations is telling myself I am going to project so keep hold of that consciousness and dont drift off too sleep.
As they make their way up my body they increase with intensity and usually by the time they reach my solar plexus I only have focus on the vibrations and have forgotten about my body.
These vibrations come with what is called tinnitus like sound in my ears and the stronger the vibrations the stronger the noise however When I am about to project I have always always had that noise but sometimes I have projected without the vibrations so too me the noise is more important that the vibrations.

This is exactly what happens to me during my experiences. But, I don't always get the "Pop" sound at the end. Usually I have already successfully Phased by this point. The main "sign post" here that tells me that I am about to Phase is the "Tinnitus like sound" in my ears. When i hear this I begin strongly creating my intent for the session.

[todd421757]

I am liking this discussion 

[Szaxx]

Hi,
I'll make a point of listening for this sound. Normally there's odd noises like a digital playback thats corrupt, zingy sort of noise. On occasion music which is manipulated through thinking of changeing it. Voices non specific. If accompanied with visualisations these come and go followed by the darkness stage.
Im trying to find out the frequency of the vibrations too. Definately slower than the mains supply.
Is it the same freq for everyone?
When you get a dead arm from lying on it, as it comes back online theres a point if its banged it feels similar to the vibrations. Anyone think the buzzing feeling is the same as vibes regarding the speed of the buzz?
Im trying to find consistency with the physical system.

[Lionheart]

Hi,
When you get a dead arm from lying on it, as it comes back online theres a point if its banged it feels similar to the vibrations. Anyone think the buzzing feeling is the same as vibes regarding the speed of the buzz?
Im trying to find consistency with the physical system.

I think it may be the same frequency early on or when just beginning to consciously project. But it would change due to how much you practice or use this state. I myself have felt and am still feeling today different levels of vibrations all the time. My vibrations kick in about 2 minutes after I start my Session and gradually get stronger until I am no longer aware of my physical body.
It doesn't feel the same as a "dead arm" scenario. It's hard to describe, my entire body is just buzzing and then the vibrations will be felt in waves.

[todd421757]

Hi,
Im trying to find out the frequency of the vibrations too. Definately slower than the mains supply.
Is it the same freq for everyone?

Anyone think the buzzing feeling is the same as vibes regarding the speed of the buzz?
Im trying to find consistency with the physical system.

I believe there is consistency in this vibrational system. I would even say it is objective in nature. There are two types of vibrations (kundalini and the classic ones).

The classic vibrations can lead to OBE's more often than the kundalini vibrations can. But the kundalini vibrations can heal your body more effectively than the classic ones.

One word of caution: The kundalini vibrations can temporarily harm the body if you are careless. Never lower their descent and never lower their frequency. Always raise them up towards the head and always increase the frequency of them. You can read many side effects on the internet from kundalini that wasn't properly handled.

So the frequency would be different depending on the type of vibrations you have. Kundalini is an internal vibrational source while the classic type is an external vibration source. The internal would be a higher frequency while the external would be a lower frequency. The external vibrations could be made to be a higher frequency by focusing on them and using your will to raise the frequency higher.

The normal sound you hear in your head is a low frequency. So you need to use your will to increase the volume and frequency to a higher level. This will allow you to have the higher frequency vibrations come.

The vibrations have very similar characteristics. I write down characteristics of each vibrational episode to help me learn from them. Once you find the underlying principles at work, you can get them more often. Plus I use the higher frequency vibrations to keep me healthy.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
I've tried the dead arm thing and can say the vibrations I had were definately lower in frequency than the buzzing feeling.
There's one condition I've come across where this frequency almost if not matches. Its when the edges or fortifications of a scintillating scotoma are plaguing my sight. This is a match, the question arising now is the production of vibrations due to some overload or interaction of neurons firing simultaneously in the brain? Anyone researched this? Vibrational state studied while being MRI scanned?
Looks interesting but very doubtful.
2 types of vibrations is new to me. If that 2 stroke engine ticking over we've all heard is a variant of this then familiarity already exists. This one led to a higher realm trip which colour and sound mixed with a utopian emotional state ensued after spinning that engine up to 3 MHZ. It was well out of audible range and I continued on as long as I could until I had a 3d awareness very strongly. I thought where will I end up this time? I never wanted to come back, it was that pleasurable.
Having so little experience with these vibrations, moving them around leaves me with the experience less than a newbie.. Its not annoying now after reading the above posts. It appears that some of us are not powered by steam or diesel engines, lol.
Back to work .......

[Lionheart]

 I just finished a Phase session and due to this conversation I was paying particular attention to the vibrational stage. This is what I found. The pins and needle effect took 2 minutes as usual until it was being felt. When the heavy vibrations occurred they seemed to be around my body instead of inside of it. I first concentrated on the vibrations on my arms and felt that they were at least 2-4 inches higher than my actual skin. I have never payed attention to this phenominom before, so I was shocked to find them outside of my body instead of inside. As they grew in intensity the vibrational field moved out even further from my physical body. Until I was at the point that my focus had completely left the physical, then I felt nothing.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Excellent work Lion, this suggests that the energy body aka that seen by a Kirlian photograph is somewhat activated. I've experience with this having built a machine back in the 1970's. This etheric field surrounding us all is intrtesting itself ad its linked to our physical bodies condition. Around 1979 during experimentation this field visible with the naked eye around my hand extended normally 1 inch or so, was getting larger. I went to the library for suggestionson this and found it increased in size when an impending illness was developing. Still not much info on diagnosing the problem, I watched it for a couple of days growing in size. Referencing it  to my friends, normal size aura proving the machine functionality,mine grew to a size where it was visible when my hand was 12 inches above the test plate. Later that day I suffered the most excruciating stomach pain which took me out. Waking up on the couch moments later my solar plexus region muscles were that clenched you could have parked a car on them.3 days in hospital with no real explanation they subsided. Now I watch what I eat for the above mentioned problem with sight.
Its strange how a comment helps you remember things from long ago.
So the vibrations form in the energy body whilst the physical is being disconnected but still active to some degree. Sound plausible and backs up many a read statement. To enable a test to this challenge may take a circuit similar to a geiger counter within close proximity to the body whilst connected to a data monitor. Nice thought but impractical to self test due to my lack of vibrations. Well another brick wall, but the theory could be tested in a large organisation dedicated to this research....
Has anyone else experienced this outside feeling?
Very interesting...

[todd421757]

Has anyone else experienced this outside feeling?
Very interesting...

I believe Lionheart was feeling the classic external vibrations that come from the auric field. Vessen Hopkins says there are six energy orbs around the body that these external vibrations come from. Here is a short video showing the locations of the six energy orbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_GPTSiJEDc

To amplify the external vibrations to make them more intense, you need to pull energy from one or all of the six orbs into your body at the same time. Monroe used just the top orb to pull from.

I have had more external vibrations (classic ones) versus internal ones (kundalini). Though, I prefer the internal ones more just because I have more control over them. I can also make the internal ones last longer than the external ones.

The type of vibrations you get is due to your projection methodology.

The external come from the outside aura and the internal come from the inside spinal and head chakras.

[Lionheart]

 Thank you for that link Todd. That looks exactly like the Tetrahedron Shield that I build around myself every day. I thought that was just something I did. My Tetrahedron Shield was taught to me in one of the first "Astral School" visits I had when I was first learning to Astral Travel. 

[todd421757]

You are welcome Lionheart.

[todd421757]

Hi,
[1] The question arising now is the production of vibrations due to some overload or interaction of neurons firing simultaneously in the brain? Anyone researched this? Vibrational state studied while being MRI scanned?

[2] This one led to a higher realm trip which color and sound mixed with a Utopian emotional state ensued after spinning that engine up to 3 MHZ. It was well out of audible range and I continued on as long as I could until I had a 3d awareness very strongly. I thought where will I end up this time? I never wanted to come back, it was that pleasurable.

[3] It appears that some of us are not powered by steam or diesel engines, lol.

1) I don't believe the vibrations have anything to do with a brain phenomena.

I believe the vibrations are objective in nature and not subjective. I believe the vibrations are independent of the physical brain.

I believe the external vibrations a.k.a. auric egg (the 6 energy orbs) is our higher spiritual etheric template. This higher spiritual etheric template continues to survive after death of the physical body.

The internal vibrations (kundalini) form our spiritual ego and this spiritual ego also survives death.

The only part of the energy body that dies off is the lower etheric body of the cellular structure of the brain and nervous system.

2) In this experience, you were able to increase the frequency of the vibrations. This will usually lead to a very intense and pleasurable experience. The people who say the vibrations are nothing special are the ones who forgot to raise the frequency. The most pleasurable experiences were the internal vibrations that I was very fortunate enough to raise them to a very high frequency level. There is nothing greater than these. You will feel energized for the entire day after these experiences.

3) All of us are powered by the vibrations at least on a low frequency level. This is how we are able to achieve motion on the physical plane. With some work, dedication, and will, I believe many can achieve the higher frequency vibrations. The first step is to understand the underlying principles, then consciously strive to raise their intensity and frequency.

I feel there is so much more to learn about this phenomena. Science doesn't seem to want to research them. So it is up to people like us to learn the intricate details of them.

I love both OBE's and vibrations. They are actually the same thing.  

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Thank you for this response.
The reason why I used the brain as part of the interface is neurons are electrically conductive (assuming neurons are the correct term). The aura is also reactive to emf with short angular velocity and the scintillating scotoma has appeared in my vision while out of body. This snatched me to the physical and the distortion was identical indicating there exist some interface within the brain. Its an assumption as broken bones etc have absolutely no effect while oob.
Agreed on 2, again only audible nothing else apart from that typical when concious projection attempt was initiated. Yes, the trip is exhilarating by doing this frequency shifting exercise.
If someone knows how to produce the 2 stroke engine sound at will, please post it. That would enable a massive boost to this subject by default. If its part of kundalini then post this with your experiences. Theres got to be a link with the primary or secondary energy centres and vibrations, either type.
On 3 above,
I have and I hope others, heard a ticking sound at times while in the blackness and this is at the start around 4HZ. At differing levels of the astral planes this appears to have a higher frequency the higher you go. This tone is not changeable and lasts for a second or so when your intent is set and you are on your way to wherever your thoughts take you. On arrival it dissipates but the outing is far more important at that time. Its not that apparent either but has been noticed a few times. A totally empty mind is required as when occupied by thoughts its not apparently audible.
There's so little we know and hopefully a link with some anomaly will come to light so this can be beyond doubt worthy of full scientific investigation.
Until then we are the pioneers.....

[todd421757]

Hi,
If someone knows how to produce the 2 stroke engine sound at will, please post it. That would enable a massive boost to this subject by default. If its part of kundalini then post this with your experiences. Theres got to be a link with the primary or secondary energy centres and vibrations, either type.

The link below contains a technique that has gotten me 100% kundalini vibrations when I was successful at it. The technique isn't easy to perform. It took me awhile to become successful. I am currently trying to perform the technique without any fan sounds. I am starting to become successful this way also.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/obe_technique_that_uses_sound_from_a_portable_heater_or_fan-t36507.0.html;msg301092

I currently focus on the Cerebellum chakra to induce the kundalini vibrations while performing the above linked technique. The Cerebellum chakra is not widely known. The Cerebellum chakra is located on the back of the head and is positioned at the base. This centre enables the individual to achieve advanced out-of-body projection, etheric projection, and kundalini vibrations.

[Pauli2]

Later that day I suffered the most excruciating stomach pain which took me out. Waking up on the couch moments later my solar plexus region muscles were that clenched you could have parked a car on them.3 days in hospital with no real explanation they subsided.

So the vibrations form in the energy body whilst the physical is being disconnected but still active to some degree.

Monroe too had a severe stomach pain, as described in the first half of his first book.
I think Monroe's cramp lasted for more than 12 hours and he tried to find a doctor.

The vibrations and the pain is probably some kind of development and change of
our non-physical parts. One question is why it hurts? What function does the pain
serve?

It certainly doesn't fit well into some models, like Campbell's AUM-all-physical-is-only-digital-software,
as I would have expected a self developing program to stop from causing pain in the
physical from something related to the non-physical. It just doesn't make sense in
terms of everything being a digital computer.

Such "bugs" should have been taken care of over time of evolution.

Also, people who directly go into "developing their chakras", usually report a lot of
pain, mental problems, depressions and other not well motivated problems.

That's so strange.