Meditation and AP

[Regal]

Hi people!

Im a newbie to meditation and AP. Started Meditation a month ago, and been doing it regularly for 20mins a day. What im confused about is are meditation and AP two SEPARATE things? Previously I thought that the sages and saints meditated to be with the Divine, which can mean the astral. But after finding about astral projection and how you dont need to meditate to have a projection makes me confused about why we meditate?

Is meditation there to be in a state from where one can start to project? or the first step for projecting? Because the steps for projecting such as physical relaxation and silencing the mind are exactly what meditation is right?

Also, when should i meditate and when should i try to project?

[rezaf]

I think meditation is a general term and can refer to many different methods. Going out of the body can happen in many different situations. It can happen accidentally, because of being tired or sick and consciously through meditation.

For planned OBE I don't really know any way other than meditation(stoping my inner conversation, focusing on a high pitched sound,etc), so I don't understand why you say meditation is not necessary.

Also doing meditation methods like qigong regularly can help us in gathering the energy and focus needed for better and more stable out of body experiences and can help us to avoid going to the lower realms and dealing with all kinds of scary beings.

[Regal]

So would it be right to say that the main purpose of meditation was and is astral projection? So the goal is astral projection and you get there through meditation? That after a certain stage during meditation, AP can be conciously tried?

[rezaf]

Meditation is a tool that can be used for astral projection. It can also be used for other goals like health, martial arts, ...

[Barnowl]

Hi people!

Im a newbie to meditation and AP. Started Meditation a month ago, and been doing it regularly for 20mins a day. What im confused about is are meditation and AP two SEPARATE things? Previously I thought that the sages and saints meditated to be with the Divine, which can mean the astral. But after finding about astral projection and how you dont need to meditate to have a projection makes me confused about why we meditate?

Is meditation there to be in a state from where one can start to project? or the first step for projecting? Because the steps for projecting such as physical relaxation and silencing the mind are exactly what meditation is right?

Also, when should i meditate and when should i try to project?

They are both different, but they do compliment each other perfectly. When you meditate, you increase the vibratory rate of your body. If you know what you're doing, you can AP in the middle of a good meditation session, but you have to be very mentally disciplined.

On the other side of the coin, I've been able to feel the Chi in my body after an AP, and the meditation session was amazing, as I felt like the whole room was lifting, as I was breathing...I somehow, 'felt' my etheric body. It was quite an experience

[Stookie_]

There are many forms of meditation with many different goals. Some forms of meditation you are NOT supposed to AP and it is considered another illusion/distraction on the path to enlightenment. Though for the most part, meditation is a tool to shift your state of consciousness, which will obviously help you AP.

I think a lot of people just want to have a quick AP with as little effort needed, which is possible with a lot of the techniques out there, but if you want to do it consistently and with quality, learning to meditate will definitely help hone those skills.

[Xanth]

My understanding is that Meditation is the practice of focusing your consciousness towards a single Intent... then holding that focus for extended periods of time.

What that "Intent" is, is entirely up to you.  Astral Projection could be your Intention.

There are as many goals to meditation as there are grains of sand on a beach. 

[roman67]

Meditation is very necessary for getting an AP experiences. Both are different. But you can AP in the middle of the meditation. It is very interesting. 

[Xanth]

Meditation is very necessary for getting an AP experiences. Both are different. But you can AP in the middle of the meditation. It is very interesting. 

That statement needs qualifying I think.

Meditation is very necessary if you intend to attempt conscious exit projections.
What meditation teaches you is what you need to know in order to attempt a conscious exit projection.

If you're aiming for projections through sleep or lucid awareness experiences... in which you spontaneously become aware while in the non-physical, then you don't need to learn to meditate, but in the long run it will help. 

[todd421757]

What im confused about is are meditation and AP two SEPARATE things? Previously I thought that the sages and saints meditated to be with the Divine, which can mean the astral. But after finding about astral projection and how you dont need to meditate to have a projection makes me confused about why we meditate?

Based upon my experiences, meditation is necessary for an inner body experience, and meditation is optional for an out of body experience.

[personalreality]

Hi people!

Im a newbie to meditation and AP. Started Meditation a month ago, and been doing it regularly for 20mins a day. What im confused about is are meditation and AP two SEPARATE things? Previously I thought that the sages and saints meditated to be with the Divine, which can mean the astral. But after finding about astral projection and how you dont need to meditate to have a projection makes me confused about why we meditate?

Is meditation there to be in a state from where one can start to project? or the first step for projecting? Because the steps for projecting such as physical relaxation and silencing the mind are exactly what meditation is right?

Also, when should i meditate and when should i try to project?

Meditation is inwardly focused and is used to find the "divine spark" within.  It is the greatest psychological tool we actually posses, though it doesn't receive enough credit in the field.  Through meditation you can speak to the part of God in you and learn to heal your habitual nature and balance yourself.

Astral Projection is a projection of consciousness outward instead of inward to explore the realms outside one's self.  Here you can meet with others, and become a member of the universal culture.  You can learn about the fundamental aspects of reality as it pertains to your perception (because reality is unique to each person, imo). 

Both in and out are infinite dimensions of reality that are mirrors of each other.  You learn a great deal about each from the other.

You can meditate or project at anytime.  It's really about trial and error, discovering what times work best for you.

[Regal]

I think I understand them both better now Thanks! Meditation focuses inwards whereas AP is outwards simply.

The first 2 times i tried to project, i meditated about 20 mins in the usual sitting position, and then slept on my bed and tried the rope exit technique after like 15 mins of laying down and relaxing and silencing the mind. Did not feel anything during the technique, BUT after i gave up and said "screw it im going to sleep now" and turned over to sleep on my stomach which is my usual sleeping position, i felt vibrations coming from the head. Should i have tried another exit technique right then? I only got to vibrations the first 2 attempts, which was a few days ago, after those tries i didnt have any good meditation sessions.

The second time i had vibrations, i tried to move the vibrations from the top of my head to my hands and other parts of the body but couldnt, and then suddenly i lost track and my mind wandered somewhere else, losing the vibrations. hehe. Any tips?

[Szaxx]

Hi,
When the vibrations have ended is the best time for an exit. This is posted on here and in some books too.

[voyager13]

My understanding is that Meditation is the practice of focusing your consciousness towards a single Intent... then holding that focus for extended periods of time.

"Focusing your consciousness towards a single Intent" is called concentration not meditation. Meditation is about observing everything that is going on (without judging), I think.

[Xanth]

"Focusing your consciousness towards a single Intent" is called concentration not meditation. Meditation is about observing everything that is going on (without judging), I think.

My definition is my experience interpreted into the words I used.  My experience could very well be much different than yours.  Just go with your gut instinct.  What you define things really doesn't matter in the greater scheme of things.

My experience tells me that meditation is many things and comes in many forms.
The single basis behind all of them is a focus (focus, concentration, etc..) of some kind towards either a single thing (focusing upon a cube in your mind) or many things (a mental rundown where you're visualizing an entire scene).

Perhaps that clarifies what I was talking about.

[Lionheart]

 I believe Meditation simply teaches you how to slow down yourself enough so you can really listen to what your heart and consciousness are saying.

It gives us the ability to get out of the constant distractions of our physical life and see what's really important towards our personal development! 

[Xanth]

I believe Meditation simply teaches you how to slow down yourself enough so you can really listen to what your heart and consciousness are saying.

It gives us the ability to get out of the constant distractions of our physical life and see what's really important towards our personal development! 

Yup, that's definitely one, very solid, definition!

Gives you a chance to experience yourself in your true state: that of pure consciousness and ONLY consciousness. 

[Mystiquemushroom]

I think meditation is a general term and can refer to many different methods. Going out of the body can happen in many different situations. It can happen accidentally, because of being tired or sick and consciously through meditation.

For planned OBE I don't really know any way other than meditation(stoping my inner conversation, focusing on a high pitched sound,etc), so I don't understand why you say meditation is not necessary.

Also doing meditation methods like qigong regularly can help us in gathering the energy and focus needed for better and more stable out of body experiences and can help us to avoid going to the lower realms and dealing with all kinds of scary beings.

I'm really interested in the high pitch sound, can anyone direct me to more information on meditating on it or anything, thx!

[Lionheart]

I'm really interested in the high pitch sound, can anyone direct me to more information on meditating on it or anything, thx!

He means using his Astral hearing.

Many times when you are meditating you will find that a high pitch sound may become noticeable. When or if it does, you just passively observe that sound and let it bring you deeper into a NPR (Non Physical Reality) focus and away from your physical focus.

[Mystiquemushroom]

Astral hearing?

I seem to be able to hear that high pitch sound
anytime I focus on trying to hear it.
Will try meditating on it next time I try to project.

[Lionheart]

Astral hearing?

I seem to be able to hear that high pitch sound
anytime I focus on trying to hear it.
Will try meditating on it next time I try to project.

Astral Hearing=Sounds of the Astral.
Many people use this as a focus target. One method that can be found on this site uses 15-20 seconds of noticing, 15-20 seconds of listening to the Astral and 15-20 seconds of focus on bodily sensations. All this done in repetition for a period of time.

Here is the link to that sticky: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/lding_for_idiots_senses_initiated_lucid_dream_ssild-t36757.0.html

[Mystiquemushroom]

Thanks Lionheart