At What Time Do You AP ?

[M4RT1N]

I usually attempt to AP at around 3 pm. if i try to do it after i wake up i don't move or open my eyes and nothing happens, then i get in a different position and relax and do some technique but nothing ever happens, if i wake up at about 4am i get up for about 40 min and then go back to bed relax and then i just instantly fall asleep. the only time when i get any results its around 3pm. when do you AP ?

[Bedeekin]

Mainly after midnight.. .before I go to sleep.

Sometimes in the morning after I wake up.

Sometimes at lunchtime at work when I can find quiet space.

[M4RT1N]

Mainly after midnight.. .before I go to sleep.

how can you stay awake ? any tips ?

[Bedeekin]

I have a short nap a few hours before for about 30 mins.

[Lionheart]

how can you stay awake ? any tips ?

Solely by a focused will and determination! 

[Astralsuzy]

What Lionheart said is very true.  I would like to say it is not a good idea to try to ap if you had not had any sleep.  If you are tired to start with it makes it a lot harder to concentrate and to stay awake.
It is preferable if you do not ap in bed as we are conditioned to sleep when we are in bed.
It is a good idea not to get too comfortable otherwise you have a higher chance of falling asleep.
You must believe you can ap.  You may think what has that got to do with it.  If you do not believe that you will ap you will not concentrate that well and you are likely to fall asleep.  That happens to me.  I loose confidence and I think I am not going to ap.  I do not concentrate and I fall asleep.  I fell asleep this morning.  When I keep saying to myself I can ap and I can concentrate, I ap a lot more often.  Sometimes every morning.  You have to believe you can ap and stay focused.  If you do all that, it should help you a lot.  Do not be discouraged if it does not work straight away.  With practice it will work.

[AstralCody]

I have a short nap a few hours before for about 30 mins.

I'm.trying this tonight actually however I didn't fall asleep during my nap but I feel rested. We will see what happens!

[Bedeekin]

I'm.trying this tonight actually however I didn't fall asleep during my nap but I feel rested. We will see what happens!

This can work also. 

[M4RT1N]

i tried to AP 2 hours ago and now i just woke up WTF ? i got up from bed at 10am today. and i fell asleep after about 10 min of trying to AP. i didn't even do much today so i wasn't tired. 

[Lionheart]

i tried to AP 2 hours ago and now i just woke up WTF ? i got up from bed at 10am today. and i fell asleep after about 10 min of trying to AP. i didn't even do much today so i wasn't tired. 

Martin, it seems to me you are reading what we are saying, but not understanding it. When you put a focused will and determination into a project you do achieve it, failure is not an option. You don't allow yourself to fall asleep. Unfortuantely, that's as simple and plain as I can explain it. No tips, nothing like that. You just don't ALLOW yourself to fall asleep. I am not tryng to be harsh, just truthful! 

[M4RT1N]

Martin, it seems to me you are reading what we are saying, but not understanding it. When you put a focused will and determination into a project you do achieve it, failure is not an option. You don't allow yourself to fall asleep. Unfortuantely, that's as simple and plain as I can explain it. No tips, nothing like that. You just don't ALLOW yourself to fall asleep. I am not tryng to be harsh, just truthful! 

but how can i completely mentally relax if i keep not letting myself to not fall asleep. what do you concentrate on ?

[Bedeekin]

Give yourself a task... some sort of passive but mental task that requires you to cut out conscious noise but maintains focus.

Some use a visual task.. like noticing images or actively trying to visualise a simple object like an apple...etc

Some use a tactile task... like trying to feel an imagined object in the hand...

Some use auditory task.. like repeating a mantra...

When you find your mind beginning to wander off... you return your focus to the 'task'... when it wanders off again... bring it back. it is usually the re-tasking that flips your awareness over to the nonphysical.

[M4RT1N]

Give yourself a task... some sort of passive but mental task that requires you to cut out conscious noise but maintains focus.

Some use a visual task.. like noticing images or actively trying to visualise a simple object like an apple...etc

Some use a tactile task... like trying to feel an imagined object in the hand...

Some use auditory task.. like repeating a mantra...

When you find your mind beginning to wander off... you return your focus to the 'task'... when it wanders off again... bring it back. it is usually the re-tasking that flips your awareness over to the nonphysical.

hmmm i will try a mantra tonight ill probably use "mind awake, body asleep" again any better ones you know ?

[Bedeekin]

No... not at all

The noise, name, word or phrase you use is completely unimportant... as long as it's something that helps you keep focus on the task. It could be "cheescake and rye" if you wanted... or "floppy goose" it really doesn't matter. 

Just to be clear... you are to imagine the sound... not actually say it aloud. You repeat it clearly in your mind.

[Lionheart]

hmmm i will try a mantra tonight ill probably use "mind awake, body asleep" again any better ones you know ?

How about this one, "I am AWARE". You can try to visualize the letters too as fading into the darkness behind your eyelids. You could also try to create a visual of a sport or hobby. Lately i have been using the a "Yo-Yo". It's actually a great visual aide. Start with just the yo-yo in front of you, then watch as it goes up and down. Feel your etheric hand as it tenses and loosens due to the action of the yo-yo. Then get creative and try some tricks. Don't think about what you are doing, just do it. Pretty soon you will start to sense a shift and find that "you are not in Kansas anymore"!  

[M4RT1N]

Ok i will try the I am AWARE mantra right now.


i tried it for about an hour, i just felt very numb, i was completely relaxed, i even  meditated before doing it, don't know what i did wrong

[AstralCody]

Good luck M4RT1N. I was in the same boat as you a while back. Trying to find techniques etc... Once you do this often you will find these experiences kind of start coming to you naturally. Everyone here has already given great advice. Good luck!

[M4RT1N]

Cody do you use a mantra ?

[Bedeekin]

Martin... The mantra idea was a suggestion not a recommendation.

You didn't do anything wrong... there is no wrong. You either succeed or you don't. not succeeding isn't 'wrong'.

Look at it this way... If you couldn't draw and you were given advice on how to draw. given techniques and methods... the best tools and paper... the way to look at an object and draw what you see. Then you went away and 'had a go' at drawing a picture but weren't satisfied with the results... you wouldn't come back and say "What did I do Wrong?"... you would surely know that you maybe had to practice drawing using the information you were given. Persevere using the information provided... don't just give us blow by blow attempts. That will get you nowhere.

This isn't like most things that are handed to us.. this isn't something you can get by simply wanting it and downloading it.

You need to practice and stick to one thing.. not just try it once then move onto the next method.

Do you see what I/we are saying?

[M4RT1N]

yer i guess i'll keep practising. i've been practising for about 4 months and i still cant do it, i think it's just because i can't find time to do it, and if i do it before going to sleep i just keep falling asleep, ill try to AP on the floor.

[Anonymouse]

Good luck my friend. Even you could try putting some pillows in your back, so you are kind of sitting down in your bed. That keeps me awake.

[Bedeekin]

yer i guess i'll keep practising. i've been practising for about 4 months and i still cant do it, i think it's just because i can't find time to do it, and if i do it before going to sleep i just keep falling asleep, ill try to AP on the floor.

Yes... you need to give it time. Try more often with less expectation. Maybe you are trying too hard but not often enough.

But more often than not... when people get sick of trying and give up, it suddenly happens. 

[M4RT1N]

Yes... you need to give it time. Try more often with less expectation. Maybe you are trying too hard but not often enough.

But more often than not... when people get sick of trying and give up, it suddenly happens. 

lol

[Astralsuzy]

yer i guess i'll keep practising. i've been practising for about 4 months and i still cant do it, i think it's just because i can't find time to do it, and if i do it before going to sleep i just keep falling asleep, ill try to AP on the floor.

I would advise you not to make yourself extremely uncomfortable as that can prevent you from aping.  I lie on a very thin mattress on the floor and that is not very comfortable.  I still have to concentrate not to fall asleep.  I always get some sleep first.  If I get myself more uncomfortable I do not ap.  All you can do is try things and see what works for you.  Perhaps it will work for you.  I try different things and I alter things as it is not the best for me.

[M4RT1N]

I would advise you not to make yourself extremely uncomfortable as that can prevent you from aping.  I lie on a very thin mattress on the floor and that is not very comfortable.  I still have to concentrate not to fall asleep.  I always get some sleep first.  If I get myself more uncomfortable I do not ap.  All you can do is try things and see what works for you.  Perhaps it will work for you.  I try different things and I alter things as it is not the best for me.

ok thanks i'll try different positions to AP, tonight i'll put some pillows under my back like Anonymouse suggested. also i dont have any thin mattresses so ill try using a blanket instead