At What Time Do You AP ?

LoLmart · November 19, 2012, 10:10:07

I AP in the morning. I wake up, perform a technique if I haven't moved and I can exit my body within seconds. It's that easy. Of course, it doesn't always happen but there is so little effort, unlike trying to AP from a direct technique (from totally awake ->relax and AP). Indirect mornging techniques rule!

Anonymouse · November 19, 2012, 11:46:57

Quote from: LoLmart on November 19, 2012, 10:10:07
I AP in the morning. I wake up, perform a technique if I haven't moved and I can exit my body within seconds. It's that easy. Of course, it doesn't always happen but there is so little effort, unlike trying to AP from a direct technique (from totally awake ->relax and AP). Indirect mornging techniques rule!

I agree the only few times I got to that strong vibrational state was right I woke up, not moving nor opening my physical eyes. I couldn't ignore the vibrations but that is another matter

M4RT1N · November 19, 2012, 15:27:58

Quote from: LoLmart on November 19, 2012, 10:10:07
I AP in the morning. I wake up, perform a technique if I haven't moved and I can exit my body within seconds. It's that easy. Of course, it doesn't always happen but there is so little effort, unlike trying to AP from a direct technique (from totally awake ->relax and AP). Indirect mornging techniques rule!

when i wake up and don't open my eyes or move i never get SP, i tried it about 5 times and nothing. and also when i get in a different position after waking up and do a technique nothing ever happens, no numbness no weird sensation like i get when i do it any other time i do it.

Astralsuzy · November 19, 2012, 16:42:21

Martin what helps me to stay awake and it helps enormously. During the day, I say to myself I can concentrate and ap. It really works. If I did not do that I would probably fall asleep a lot more often. I ap nearly every morning when I make an effort. By saying that it stays in the mind. It is important to say you can ap as well otherwise you think it is not going to happen and you fall asleep. That is how it is for me.

M4RT1N · November 19, 2012, 16:54:20

Quote from: Astralsuzy on November 19, 2012, 16:42:21
Martin what helps me to stay awake and it helps enormously. During the day, I say to myself I can concentrate and ap. It really works. If I did not do that I would probably fall asleep a lot more often. I ap nearly every morning when I make an effort. By saying that it stays in the mind. It is important to say you can ap as well otherwise you think it is not going to happen and you fall asleep. That is how it is for me.

thanks i'll do that, does it matter if i say it in my head or say it out loud ?

Astralsuzy · November 19, 2012, 17:06:45

It does not matter how you say it, whether it is allowed or in your mind. I say it allowed when people are not around and other times I say it in my mind. It is something you have to keep saying from time to time every day. If I do not do that I fall asleep. The next day I say it when I can and when I try to ap the next morning, I ap. Try not to get discouraged if you do fall asleep. Keep saying it. You have nothing to loose. It works for me.

Bedeekin · November 19, 2012, 18:36:23

Lay on the floor... don't lay on the floor... use a mattress... don't use a mattress... create and image... don't create an image... say it in your head.... don't say it in your head... say this... say that... AP in the morning... AP at night... AP in the middles of the night... expect... don't expect...

Does anyone see something here?

I'm so glad I discovered OOBEs by myself sometimes.

Astralsuzy · November 19, 2012, 19:38:03

If you can ap in a comfortable bed then that is good for you. If you are unable to ap or cannot ap very often then it is a good idea to try different things to make it work. What I do works for me so I will keep on doing it. I used to be able to ap a lot in bed but I can only ap in bed occasionally.

Lionheart · November 19, 2012, 23:30:31

Tom Campbell says it is a good thing to meditate/Phase in every position, circumstance, different time of day, different locations etc. Otherwise you will find that you can only do this in a certain position, at a certain time, only in a certain location, etc.
The only important thing is that you shift. How you do it is up to you!

Astralsuzy · November 20, 2012, 00:24:19

I agree with that Lionheart. That is what I am aiming to do. I want to be able to ap at different times of the day. I have not found a good way or I have not made the effort to try a different time. Tonight I might do that. I have been wanting to try to ap in the recliner chair but I keep making excuses. I hope I will try tonight. If I am successful I let you know. That may be an incentive for me to try.

ChopstickFox · November 20, 2012, 01:37:17

I have been trying to vary it up, but I've had the most luck in the mornings after waking up in my bed.

M4RT1N · November 20, 2012, 02:43:01

Quote from: Bedeekin on November 19, 2012, 18:36:23
I'm so glad I discovered OOBEs by myself sometimes.

lucky you

Bedeekin · November 20, 2012, 10:47:29

Well I didn't have the internet... it was the middle of the 80s. lol

I wasn't particularly lucky because I spent the first six months 'suffering' RISP and was put on beta blockers by my doctor... I started to miss schoolwork and I spent most of my school-life feeling completely alienated... that's why I said 'sometimes'.

I also worked hard to practice it once I realised what it was... whatever 'it' was.

M4RT1N · November 20, 2012, 11:28:19

Quote from: Bedeekin on November 20, 2012, 10:47:29
Well I didn't have the internet... it was the middle of the 80s. lol

I wasn't particularly lucky because I spent the first six months 'suffering' RISP and was put on beta blockers by my doctor... I started to miss schoolwork and I spent most of my school-life feeling completely alienated... that's why I said 'sometimes'.

I also worked hard to practice it once I realised what it was... whatever 'it' was.

do you know why you got RISP ?

Bedeekin · November 20, 2012, 11:39:06

Yes...

At around 10 I had an illness.. I think it was a bad case of influenza. During the fever I had these really nasty looping dreams... You've probably experienced them... sometimes they are called 'geometric dreams'... I call them Miacrogogic (micro and macro)... meaning that there is an abstract sense of tiny and massive simultaneously. Everything is contracting and expanding.

Anyway.. these caused me to have really bad dreams. Over a course of a few months I got into the bad habit of going to bed later and later... basically I was too scared to sleep incase I had these dreams. The problem was I was having to get up for school... So I was getting more tired as time went along.

It wasn't until I started falling asleep when I came home from school - generally after dinner and childrens TV... about 6pm. My mother would generally wake me up and I would go to bed and get Sleep Paralysis.

I didn't figure out that the sleep pattern was responsible after my first few separations, when I wanted to get it.

I knew I could replicate it by going to bed late... getting up early... going to school/college/work... coming home and having something to eat... then having a nap for about an hour or so. Then I would wake up and wait till about midnight or later then go to bed. The moment I turned my light off and got comfortable I would instantly switch into SP.

I found out later that Narcoleptics commonly suffer from SP at night because they (accidentally) nap in the evening.

M4RT1N · November 20, 2012, 11:53:37

Quote from: Bedeekin on November 20, 2012, 11:39:06
Yes...

At around 10 I had an illness.. I think it was a bad case of influenza. During the fever I had these really nasty looping dreams... You've probably experienced them... sometimes they are called 'geometric dreams'... I call them Miacrogogic (micro and macro)... meaning that there is an abstract sense of tiny and massive simultaneously. Everything is contracting and expanding.

Anyway.. these caused me to have really bad dreams. Over a course of a few months I got into the bad habit of going to bed later and later... basically I was too scared to sleep incase I had these dreams. The problem was I was having to get up for school... So I was getting more tired as time went along.

It wasn't until I started falling asleep when I came home from school - generally after dinner and childrens TV... about 6pm. My mother would generally wake me up and I would go to bed and get Sleep Paralysis.

I didn't figure out that the sleep pattern was responsible after my first few separations, when I wanted to get it.

I knew I could replicate it by going to bed late... getting up early... going to school/college/work... coming home and having something to eat... then having a nap for about an hour or so. Then I would wake up and wait till about midnight or later then go to bed. The moment I turned my light off and got comfortable I would instantly switch into SP.

I found out later that Narcoleptics commonly suffer from SP at night because they (accidentally) nap in the evening.

interesting story, you're still very lucky you got SP without even trying , i think ill go to sleep very late and wake up very early now, is the nap necessary ?

Stookie_ · November 20, 2012, 11:59:22

Quote from: Bedeekin on November 19, 2012, 18:36:23
Lay on the floor... don't lay on the floor... use a mattress... don't use a mattress... create and image... don't create an image... say it in your head.... don't say it in your head... say this... say that... AP in the morning... AP at night... AP in the middles of the night... expect... don't expect...

Does anyone see something here?

I'm so glad I discovered OOBEs by myself sometimes.

I agree - it's tricky figuring this out, there are so many tips and styles, and so many people doing different things claiming success. I think in the end everyone has to discover it by themselves. You can get tips and tricks - what to do, what not to do - but you really have to just practice and put in work. Just do it, and do it, and do it. Make it a part of your life, whether it's strictly meditating or only classic OBE attempts.

Maybe everyone is different in what they need. I know for a fact that I need heavy discipline. If I wasn't hard on myself and didn't take it 100% seriously, I wouldn't get far (keep in mind AP never came naturally to me). As I get older, the more disciplined I become, and the discipline definitely pays off. But some people would completely crack under my regimen and might do better off with a more free-flow style... I really don't know, that's why I say just get motivated to practice. Don't know what you're doing?... then sit still and don't do anything other than "observe". I'm convinced that anyone can take that one tip and eventually figure it all out on their own with no further assistance.

As far as what time I practice: In the morning between 7-8 am, and in the evening around 5-6 pm.

Szaxx · November 20, 2012, 17:09:38

Hey Bedeekin,
While this tiny and massive thing was playing in your mind. Did you ever get a series of flowing straight lines that messed up like a ball of unwound string an you somehow had to undo the mess to keep the flowing lines in order?
You reminded me of the times of persistent nightmares.
All,
We are individuals and have to find what works best through experience, individually. Follow a general guide and apply what suits you.
Like bedeekin I was on my own. Maybe learning the hard way has its merits.
At present I try before sleep, this is where I started when very young. Mornings are really unsuccessful.

Bedeekin · November 20, 2012, 17:35:45

Ha... it is the same yet different. These can be abstract. The one I had was like looking at a vast lattice work that I had to align with another distant latticework. Another was I was in the palm of my hand in the palm of my hand in the palm of my hand... etc

All had a 'task' to complete that was just not attainable.

I have found that many people have had the Miacrogogic dream.. and normally when in a fever... they are sometimes called fever dreams or geometric dreams. Also the majority of people experience SP because they had a prior nap.. .with very few rare exceptions.

True we are all individuals... but we are also wired in the same way. The method i derived from this sleep routine worked every time on anyone who wished to learn... until I came onto forums. Then it sort of lost its usage... I wonder why this is... Strange eh?

ChopstickFox · November 20, 2012, 20:45:06

I've had terrible dreams like what when really sick... They're too horrible... I couldn't imagine having them every night.

I saw it brought up that staying up/waking up early can work... But if you are looking for tips, I don't know. I would probably not sacrifice health for the chance to get more experiences going. I'm sure there's healthier ways to experiment. :/

Just my two cents.

majour ka · November 20, 2012, 21:17:56

When the times right

Bedeekin · November 21, 2012, 02:23:08

Quote from: ChopstickFox on November 20, 2012, 20:45:06
I saw it brought up that staying up/waking up early can work... But if you are looking for tips, I don't know. I would probably not sacrifice health for the chance to get more experiences going. I'm sure there's healthier ways to experiment. :/

Just my two cents.

This was just when I was a little kid... and it wasn't on purpose. Later I didn't need to deprive myself of sleep to be able to nap. Also... this was MY method and did me no harm health wise I'm sure.

Although in hindsight... it was probably healthier than using pills or supplements to explore.

ChopstickFox · November 21, 2012, 23:51:13

Oh! That wasn't directed at you! It was more for people looking around for tips for an easier way for success! I'm sorry!

Bedeekin · November 22, 2012, 01:59:20

Actually I directed it at myself.

I'm sure I had more to my message that went on to say that my early method to others said to go to bed late and wake up early... then "although in hindsight... " hmmm

I must have deleted that sentence for some reason... maybe double clicked it and pressed return... I dunno.

You were right anyway is what I was trying to say but failed. lol

Zagadka · November 25, 2012, 11:08:29

Unless I am very tired, it happens at night when I go to bed at 11pm. I haven't done it a lot and it only happened once in the morning and I was not successful at APing yet when taking a nap at noon in a chair... thought I remember this summer, I saw a little red card going by my field of vision as I was napping at work... that was funny. I think if I practice more, I will be able to do it night, morning, anytime!

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