Near-death study Dr sam parnia

[desert-rat]

On Dr. Jeffery Long http://www.nderf.org/  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_D._Long   there are a bunch more that are easy to find . A hospital could post a sine stating that they were doing research and there were  unusual items hidden in the room near the ceiling if any one has a N.D.E. look for them and remember what they are . Like a gumby , gi-joe , or barbie doll in a box , not a normal item and easy to remember .  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumby   desert rat 

[Steel Hawk]

Everyone keeps trying to prove what is real when they fail to question their basic assumptions on what is real. I think if people understood what the here-now is they wouldn't call it real or any less real than a dream.

[Bedeekin]

A constrained and persistent interactive dream!

[Szaxx]

Almost a virtual reality.
Then again, lets see who knows for real, whats real anyway. Really interesting...

[majour ka]

Last four comments 

[Tongo]

So this scientist guy will divulge the findings in a book, no doubt for sale. This somewhat bothers me and personally lowers my reliability and trust in the person as I feel this was possibly the reason for himself to do the study originally so he could collect the info and cash in on a book about it.  Also he may twist and exagerate his findings to make them sound more positive so not to give the book a sort of anti-climax.

Wish he hurry up with it though the damn thing ended over a year ago just freakin let everyone know already!!! why totally everything gotta be about money these days?

[desert-rat]

I will not be spending my money on that book .  1) its probably boring , 2) There are other things I could buy 3) I am not sure how accurate it is 4)  There is a good chance it will be posted on a torrent site any way .  desert rat 

[Lionheart]

So this scientist guy will divulge the findings in a book, no doubt for sale. This somewhat bothers me and personally lowers my reliability and trust in the person as I feel this was possibly the reason for himself to do the study originally so he could collect the info and cash in on a book about it.  Also he may twist and exagerate his findings to make them sound more positive so not to give the book a sort of anti-climax.

Tis the way of the World we live in my friend. Once in awhile you find someone that truly feels this info should be shared freely with others. Actually you can find a number of people on this very website here that believe that. But, something has to pay the bills.  

[catmeow]

The guy (Sam Parnia) is fairly solid. I've watched a few of his utube vids, and he always seems to talk a lot of sense. But as Lionheart said, we all have bills to pay.  I think the results of his study will be basically inconclusive.

[Volgerle]

hope they made the signs big enough to read for any short-sighted NDEer, like this one:

[desert-rat]

A sine could be posted above the operating table , like the bumper stickers that say "if you can read this your too close "  .  The one above the table could  read " if you can read this you are dead "    desert rat  
p.s. any one that did go out of body and see  the   sine would remember something like that .

[Volgerle]

there's indeed no mention of any number/signs reading, but it seems a very positive outcome anyway, at least that's the way it's sold to the public ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-24509/Near-death-patients-afterlife.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CC_2yzqUVs

the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Erasing-Death-Science-Rewriting-Boundaries/dp/0062080601

[catmeow]

Thanks for the links Volgerle. Confusingly, Sam Parnia is publishing another new book TODAY here it is

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Lazarus-Effect-Rewriting-Boundaries/dp/1846043077

Called "The Lazarus Effect". I thought this book was based on the multi centre study, but we are all a bit in the dark about this study and its findings.

The Daily Mail article was very interesting. Sam Parnia seems to be nailing his colours to the mast somewhat. He seems to be coming down rather more on the "consciousness survives death" side than he has done in the past.

[catmeow]

Oh, OK so it seems that your link Volgerle ("Erasing Death") is the American version of my link ("The Lazarus Effect"). They are the same book.  So we already have a review of "The Lazrus Effect":

http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/1846043077/

Here is a quote from this review:

"However, many, would have bought this book to learn about results from the AWARE study and Dr Parnia does not disappoint. I will not put a spoiler in, particularly relating to any evidence supporting the out of body experience, but he does discuss some tantalizing initial findings"

Guess I will have to buy the book!

[desert-rat]

This guy was on coast to coast the other night . His research is more from the science point of view .  I dont think he is trying to prove that when a person has a n.d.e. they are going to the astral .  If I understand him corectly the experence is from dying brain cells or some thing like that . http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/parnia-dr-sam/6684   desert rat

[Lionheart]

This guy was on coast to coast the other night . His research is more from the science point of view .  I dont think he is trying to prove that when a person has a n.d.e. they are going to the astral .  If I understand him corectly the experence is from dying brain cells or some thing like that . http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/parnia-dr-sam/6684   desert rat

Unfortunately you are right Desert-Rat. He has certainly changed his tune.

I heard the interview as well and was very disappointed that he has changed his approach. 

It must have been due to the pressure of his peers. He probably didn't like being criticized and ridiculed.

Either that or the left side of his brain kicked in and shut out everything the right had learned! 

[catmeow]

He is just using the "I come to bury Ceasar not to praise him" technique. Camouflaging his intent by making uncontroversial scientific noises, whilst occasionally slipping in occasional "distinct possibility that mind can survive brain death" noises.

[Volgerle]

This guy was on coast to coast the other night . His research is more from the science point of view .  I dont think he is trying to prove that when a person has a n.d.e. they are going to the astral .  If I understand him corectly the experence is from dying brain cells or some thing like that . http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/parnia-dr-sam/6684   desert rat

Are we really talking about the same guy / project / interview / book?

If you mention C-to-C must be the same interview I linked above from youtube already, yes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CC_2yzqUVs

Sorry guys, but I do not understand your interpretation or pessimism. He clearly and repeatedly states there (plus in the articles too) that he believes it to be evidence for the afterlife and absolutely leaves no doubt about this. Has anyone REALLY listened to the interview? He very CLEARLY says this!

He's one of the good guys now. 

We should not forget that there is a second more "materialistic" topic which is also the main issue for him in his professional work, and this is to bring medical CPR to a level of technology to literally raise the (brain)dead people again (reactivating brain cells, cooling people, etc.). He's a doctor after all.

That however does not touch upon the second issue, the evidence for the many NDEs and OBEs. Making CPR yet better of course will produce ever more NDE data, which is the advantage he wants to use.

He also explained (in this interview) how difficult it is to make the sign reading experiment since only a very small percentage of the whole sample was patients revived in a surgery where there was a picture brought up. In most cases there wasn't the opportunity given in one of those rooms he says, but he also announces some astonishing finds but that might be left in the book. (It's all in the interview where he breaks down the statistics a little).

[catmeow]

Well I think Volgerle has it exactly right. Sam Parnia is basically one of the "good guys". But he has to maintain his reputation as a credible scientist, and after all he actually is a credible scientist. So he is involved in uncontroversial medical research, which maintains his reputation. This allows him to speak on the mind/brain issue, suggest mind can exist independent of brain, and still be taken seriously.

[desert-rat]

On Sam Parnia on coast to coast , I listened to coast to coast on xm ch 168 .  I slept through part of it so I might not of heard him saying that he believed in an after life .   I do remember about an hour where he described a more biological view of life. desert rat p.s. http://h33t.com/torrent/5010583/coast-to-coast-am-02-27-13-weather-control-ndes-h33t       

[desert-rat]

On re listening to the inter view with Sam Parnia , being fully awake this time . He did address the n.d.e. experence , stating something like people will report seeing passed on loved ones , a being of light , God , having a life review , ect. depending on personal beliefs .  On proof , there is a story of Mark MacDonell , a British M.P. he was sick in bed , but appeared before Parlment  in his astral body to cast his vote .  If true this will be on reccord .  ( on pg 49 Llewellyn's astral projection book isbn # 0-87542-181-4)  No date is given for the event , I am searching on line to see if any thing is there on this . desert rat 

[catmeow]

desert-rat, I would be interested if you could find any more info on that MP. The case is well known in AP folklore, but it would be good to see if it holds up to scrutiny!

[desert-rat]

The name Mark MacDonell , does not apear on the wiki list of U.K. M.P. list , but they state its an incomplete list . There is a John McDonnell , but I think thats some one else . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_MPs:_M.                         This is off topic for this thread , I may start a new one on this .  desert rat 

[catmeow]

Actually the name Mark MacDonnell doesn't sound correct to me, the politician I had in mind was someone fairly famous. It will meaning pouring over my old AP books to try to find the name. But I will have a quick look to see if can find it!

[Astralzombie]

I've actually read a few thinks about Dr. Parnia and he absolutely believes in an afterlife although he is uncommitted to what it actually is.

He read a few studies where people reported that they floated above their bodies during surgeries and such and some said they could actually see above the ceiling in the crawl space where the wiring and ac ducts run. This gave him the idea about placing photos and other things up there to see if the people who made these claims could report back on them. Other doctors already had the same idea in one form or another.

Of course many people do not have RTZ experiences and so their cases would not apply but he has gathered some convincing data.