Do you worship god (or not) and why?

Squeek · May 31, 2003, 19:49:05

I sure do.

I studied the religion for about 5 years and now that I am in a public school, I recently joined a Youth Group. I beleive that if I have any at all success with this, it would be a gift from Him and a sign that it's all uphill from there.

~Squeek

warlockyoshi · May 31, 2003, 21:24:57

Do you really believe that someone who sees Gos as a burning bush that talks to him is "just a sheep herder" I mean come on he had to have some type of aura to talk to God and turn a staff into a snake and by the way no leaf clover i was talking about the way God describes a Satanist in the bible not as in the actual religion of satanism. And i hope that you were not calling me an moron because i was not tring to offend anyone. Could you please clarify your remark.

no_leaf_clover · May 31, 2003, 21:58:13

i wasn't calling you an moron, i was saying that satanism has had a lot of influence from total assholes.

warlockyoshi · May 31, 2003, 22:17:54

Thank you very much for clarifing that because I was afraid that I offend you.

beav31is · June 01, 2003, 05:57:36

I dont know if god exists or not. If he did I might thank him for creating all this crap (including war and disease, those are great!), but I wouldnt worship him. I worship NOTHING. Worship means that I am a worthless SOB and I agree to be gods slave and do whatever he says. Screw that! Without my body, I am a kind of god, with the same abilities but not as powerful as a "normal god".

no_leaf_clover · June 01, 2003, 10:02:53

i'm sort of on that same level, beavis. that's actually a very important part of satanism: there is no single god; everyone is their own god within themselves. but i'm not recommending satanism. they just have such policies to attract members. you can believe something like that without a religion, and that's what people should do, unless they totally believe everything that their particular religion comes out and says. i'm also against mass worship like that (church)..

Fat_Turkey · June 01, 2003, 23:24:23

I sort of believe but then again I sort of don't.

There is a higher power, sure, but I don't think that any single religion in this world has the full picture of what that power or powers are.

Most religions probably don't have a foggy clue, they just present these images of Gods and things like that to depict morals.

Later
-FT

kakkarot · June 02, 2003, 13:12:44

beav: that's not what it means to follow God. i'm sorry that christianity makes it seem like that.

yoshi: if you'll notice, throughout the bible, God has used the weak, the unfavoured, the last person anyone would have thought God would use, to accomplish His tasks. it's not about "who's the best choice", because God can make the choice a good one. and that's why He does it that way: to prove to the people He's trying to talk to that He is God and that He can use anyone and anything to get a point across - He doesn't have to pick the "cream of the crop", He can use anyone.

~kakkarot

warlockyoshi · June 02, 2003, 14:06:03

Kakkarot in case you have not noticed God chose Joseph from allof the other children to be prophet. Joseph who was revered above all of his other brothers by his father and ultimatly God. Have you not noticed that God has a chosen race (the Jews). Don't you think that is a little discrimitory? Therefore God is prejudice. He loves Jews above all of his other creations.

Spills · June 02, 2003, 14:19:29

hmm interesting conversation

i dont practice the craft and i am no witch. but personnally i beleve in wicca and the teachings of witchcraft. if you really look into it you will find out it makes sence.

if you look hard enough there are millions of books related to wicca, and most of christian traditions originate from it two.

Mirador · June 02, 2003, 14:58:16

my mother tells friends that I was the only one of her five children she didn't have to place inside a play pen, that I was so tranquil and well behaved that I would sit with no fuss on a small rocking chair for hours on the back porch. What she didnt know was that from my vantage point I could see what later I conceptualized as the 'Infinite', something that I could only describe as an image and feeling that extends in all directions, an all encompassing fullness, full of everthing imaginable, a boundless shimmering expanse of beauty and peace farther than the eye can see...

Mirador

no_leaf_clover · June 02, 2003, 17:20:16

most of christianity's traditions are originited from wicca, spills? i disagree.. christianity is from judaism. up until the big schism between byzantine and the roman empire and all the further schisms within it, christianity was scarcely different from judaism. the main difference is that christians see jesus of nazereth as the messiah, and jews just see him as another prophet.

wicca is completely different. wicca is a form of paganism, inspired by the 'polytheism' of sumer (the sumerians did not actually regard the annunaki as 'gods'), babylon (same situation), greece (true polytheism), rome(polytheism), etc.

Euphoric Sunrise · June 02, 2003, 22:13:37

If i were to believe in any god, i may as well believe in Superman. No evidence has been presented to me personally that a god exists. If there in fact is a god as in the god of the bible, i would expect him to use my own brain and believe in him only if he showed me he existed personally, and not through the words of other people.
As it is, i believe there very well could be a god 'out there', but because it hasn't been proven to me i will say that i don't think there is.
In short: I don't believe, but i don't not believe. Why didn't i just say that? [

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sublime · June 02, 2003, 22:15:22

Debates like these are hilarious to me. How can one single ignorant human being know the answer to this question.

First of all, I think that anyone is entitled to their own belief. No matter how far off the rocker most may think it is. We shall all see what lies before us when we die.

Personally, I believe in God. I guess I would consider myself an extremely open minded christian. Most chrisitans wouldnt even consider me a "christian" so maybe i'm not. i honestly dont care to even have a label. I am faithful, spiritual, kind, loving, caring and grateful that I am on this earth. I believe in many other philosophies that other religions follow. I believe that maybe we all have it right somehow. You could probably take pieces and parts of every religion and come up with the truth. Then again, we could all be completely wrong.

Just have faith in your beliefs and be a positive, loving, caring person. I dont know much about satanism but the whole self centeredness that i'm hearing about it definitely doesnt make it sound that positive of a belief system. Also I agree with many others in that, how can there be a satan but not a god? sounds to me like another idea that people follow for the shock factor. regardless, i dont care. not what i believe. go ahead and believe it.

It's funny that we humans try and answer questions like "Well if there is a god, why is there disease and horror on this earth?" Knowing that you will never obtain the answer to this question or other questions like it until you die or maybe even after that... what is the point of getting so worked up about them?

The absolute beauty in this world amazes me. How astounding it is to me that there are millions and millions of people all over the world each with a different physical appearance, set of beliefs, culture, background etc... THAT right there proves to me that something exisits beyond this human/human spirit form. There is an artist at work. Life is beautiful.

Spills · June 03, 2003, 00:46:50

[8D]Nice one, sublime[8D]

James S · June 03, 2003, 03:56:15

I believe in a goddess - Mother Earth, the spirit of nature. I believe in her because she came to me in a vision, in the form of the Green Lady. My experience of personally meeting this incarnation of the goddess has given me something tangeable to hold on to. Though I believe in her, I don't worship her. In fact she quite clearly asked me not to worship her, but rather just to love her. Seems to me more practical that way. I find many people tend to get the concept of worship all screwed up.

In the time I have spent taliking with the goddess, I have learned from her that there is a paramount intelligence, a consciousness that is the source of all. This source could be called god, but I choose to call it the creator. I believe in the creator because, aside from the fact that the Green Lady believes it to be true, it makes sense to me.

I don't worship the creator as christians worship god, but I am mindful of its existence, thatit is a vast sentient being with power and intelligence far beyond our comprehension. For that reason I feel the creator at the very least deserves respect.

I cannot doubt the spirit of nature exists. My experiences of meeting her are unquestionably real to me. However, I do not expect that everybody else will believe in her as I do, unless they have a similar encounter to mine. For this reason I cannot expect everybody to believe the same about god.

Mirador,
Thats a fascinating account from your chilhood! I have read in many places now it is believed that as children we have the ability to see different realities, tune into them as you would tune into a radio station. As we get older we are rather firmly told what is real and what isn't, and we lose that ability to change stations. It is possible you were able to tune into the astral, into a reality where time and space had no real distance.

James.

warlockyoshi · June 03, 2003, 07:43:02

Sublime that is the beauty of it. THe fact is that you cannot prove the existance of God but is it not fun to be contentious! Can you really believe that you people have argued about something that is impossible to prove for almost a week. Calvin and Hobbes know it all
Calvin: Do you believe in the devil? You know, a supreme evil being dedicated to the temptation, corruption, and destruction of man?
Hobbes: I'm not sure that man needs the help.

The mystery of the beginning of all things is insoluble by us, and I for one must
be content to remain an agnostic. -- Charles Darwin

Spills · June 03, 2003, 08:46:43

SUBLIME: "How can one single ignorant human being know the answer to this question." i dissagree. its not 1 person its millions. over thousands of years [8D]

sublime · June 03, 2003, 10:59:17

Spills: I agree... what i was trying to stress is the fact that we are all completely ignorant when it comes to knowing what life there may be after death, who "rules" that life (for lack of a better term). It seems like everyone wants to jump the gun and say "you should believe (insert belief system here) and if you dont (insert consequence here)" It's a waste of time and energy to debate about something that our humanly minds will never be able to understand until we are no longer in our human form. with astral projection, we are able to come closer to understanding life after death. it PROVES the existance of the soul.

Tarconiss · June 03, 2003, 18:45:46

heh.... Its things like this, that show the differsity among humanity. Things like this go on, and show us the levels of thought, that people possess through-out the world... It also shows how far along the advancement levels of the peoples 'spirit's.

From the way christianity and satanism present themselves.... Christianity tries to promote people directly to the highest levels of existance.... Satanism seems to keep people at the physical indulgences, wich in turn keeps them more to the lower level of the physical existance. See a pattern as to how hell is supposed to be the lowest part of existance beneath the ground, whereas heaven is dipicted to be in the clouds, as a higher existance detached from the clutches of the ground?

Well. No matter what the case, everyone will eventually find terms upon which to be content to live with... But for those who have thier beleifs challenged by such experiences... Be gratefull that you can now say that you have more of an idea of what the not-so-universe [rather multi-verse, as you will....] has in store. Whatever your beliefs or, none-beliefs, just be open-minded to what others have to say, or to what is shown to you.

sublime · June 04, 2003, 00:05:13

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Whatever your beliefs or, none-beliefs, just be open-minded to what others have to say, or to what is shown to you.

... and if not open-minded at least tolerant, as i found myself being while reading about satanism. but anyhow, if you cant see the beauty in diversity, you will live a very sheltered life.

James S · June 04, 2003, 04:26:44

Open-mindedness, or the very least, tolerance towards the beliefs of others would be one sure way of dramatically reducing the amount of human blood spilled on this planet.

Too many fanatics refuse to allow other people to worship in the way they choose. For all the flaws that have been pointed out about satanism here, I've yet to hear about a satanist priest encouraging members of his church to strap bombs to themselves and go out to kill as many unbelieving infidels as possible.

James.

warlockyoshi · June 04, 2003, 15:19:42

Every religion claims themself as the one and only true religion, so how can you call that open mindedness.

no_leaf_clover · June 04, 2003, 16:41:54

its not really true that all religions claim to be the only right ones (ie buddhism). i think james was talking about 'holy wars'..

i once read that the one true religion is a combination of all the religions of the world. i believe this must be the closest thing to the truth, besides maybe that we all have our own unique religious beliefs.

strwrs_guru · June 04, 2003, 17:00:28

here is something to thing about, when Jesus was around he never once said this is THE religion of the planet and this is the way to god. he led by example and slight guidance of his followers. when they came to him with questions expecting very specific answers, Jesus always replied with a parable (story) to get the followers to think for themselves.

it was his apostles who wound up turning the teachings OF Jesus into a teaching ABOUT Jesus.

Jesus never said what to call themselves, what rituals to perform, or when to bow, or when to kneel, etc. you get the point.

or at least what i think the point was.........be a good person to others, help out when you can, and basically dont be a selfish, ignorant jerk.

you know.....DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.

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Do you worship god (or not) and why?