Intelligent take on astral projection

[TeenageWitch22]

Hi, I feel like astral projection is one of the few "psychic" phenomena that is not just hocus pocus. I am pretty skeptical when it comes to a lot of things that don't have physical proof, but I feel like astral projection is one of the few things with no evidence backing up that is worth believing, but here's the problem.


Astral projection is one of the things I want to scratch off my bucket list, since I came across it in a book in my aunt's basement when I was a mere 7 year old. Since then, I have experienced vibrations (consciously induced, of course) but never separated out of fear that they cause in the moment (i.e. a heart beat that increases by 55-65 bpm) not out of exaggerated superstitions, but because the concrete sensations vibrations cause are very unsettling. However, regardless of the fear they can induce, vibrations is one of the concrete signs (to me, at least) that what monroe wrote about wasn't just another "mind reading" trick or some similar BS.


Really, AP is a simple concept when you get down to it: From what I know it's as easy as 1. relax, 2. vibrate, 3. separate, but step 2 is so hard to accurately predict. I've only vibrated 3 times, but most importantly, I feel like if I am vibrating and also feeling it in an absolutely physical, waking way (like holding on to a jackhammer, once I heard what sounded like my neck snapping), it must be a telltale sign of something that is really bound to happen! I mean, what else could such a rare, but undeniably real and physical phenomenon be a sign of, other than something kind of mysterious and far out, like AP?





Anyways, the takeaway I hope you get from this is that, I really want to believe in AP because it sounds too good to pass up (if it is true). I just hope that someone can relate to me with their experiences and give a concise, understandable, and realistic answer to what I have explained. Anything that is related to your beliefs or experiences relating to AP is worth sharing. I just want to be sure that the vibrations I have felt are the feeling of AP, and not just some weird sensation that is completely unrelated.

Please Respond, I really want this to be more than just some psycho-babble. What if AP was scientifically backed?

[Lionheart]

 Check this entire video (part 5/5) out. If you still have questions after you watch it, I would be happy to answer them if I can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_q5CDE2Nko

Tom says it's great to doubt, because in the need the end, only you can prove it to you!  

I go into this practice with the mindset that when I shift, I am totally liberated from by physical binds and now I am experiencing 100% FREEDOM. This is my "Magic Pill"!  

Good Luck and Safe Travels!  

[TeenageWitch22]

Lionheart, a month ago you posted that link and I watched the whole thing. Tom seems like a knowledgeable character who really got his facts straight from experience, and it shows! I think he is a convincing speaker on the subject, and that is so hard to find in this field nowadays. If only there were more people like him who could provide such relevant information on the mysterious subject of AP. If they are out there, they sure do need to come out of hiding!

Really, I like how the guy was straight to the point, and was serious the whole time. I did take away some things from his speech, and I had never heard of Tom Campbell before you posted the link. I had only heard of rich, steve jones, and bob bruce. It's good to have people out there who really believe in AP. Thanks for posting the link.

[TeenageWitch22]

I really would have liked to meet him in person, too bad I couldn't have made it to the seminar. Speaking of internet celebs, Nick Newport really poured his heart out in the lucidology 101 series with regards to OBEs and Lucid dreaming, which really gave me the courage to share that enthusiasm. It's a great series if you are like me and would maybe like to have an out of body experience some day. One common feature of his videos is the way he organizes them objectively, so anyone can really understand what he is trying to get across. Great guy, too bad I haven't heard anything from him in recent years... 

[Volgerle]

Yeah, Nick's Lucidology was (is) great.

You could also check out Buhlman who is a great guy too. We recently had a thread on him:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_secret_of_the_soul-t43546.0.html

[Lionheart]

 I knew I had given you that link already, I checked your previous threads here.  

There is a LOT of info to take in there, that's why I posted it again.

Personally I have watched it about 25 times and still I get something new from it. The more you practice this "Art/skill" the more you really understand what he is saying. I am not 100% on board with everything he has said, because my perception of what I am seeing differs from his. He is looking at this from a strictly nut and bots point of view. He is trying to explain this using what he knows, which is science and physics in general. I am more of a hands on guy.

I am still in the "observation" mode. But I enjoy every step of the way!

Your statement on "relax, vibrate, then separate" isn't the same for everyone. There are many different "signposts" of the NPR (Non Physical Realms/Reality). I see it more as "release your focus from your physical body and consciously await the shift". During this "waiting period" you can create a intended destination or ask what you wish to see/learn. You can also play around with simple visuals, like Geometric shapes. You could use a Mantra, sing a song, etc. Basically anything that keeps your focus completely away from your physical body.

Many people then do separate, but as soon as they separate, for some reason they want to see their physical body, once they do, "Bam" they are right back in their body again. Then they come here and ask what they did wrong. Simple answer. They shifted, then put their focus right back on their physical body. This is the reason it is best to stay completely away from it, especially when you find yourself in the Real Time Zone (RTZ). Take a look around the neighborhood instead. Go outside and pick up a leaf, touch a tree, listen to a bird. Do something that grounds you.

[TeenageWitch22]

yeah @ Volgerie I'll have to check that link out later today, thanks.

@Lionheart   "Personally I have watched it about 25 times and still I get something new from it. The more you practice this "Art/skill" the more you really understand what he is saying. I am not 100% on board with everything he has said, because my perception of what I am seeing differs from his. He is looking at this from a strictly nut and bots point of view. He is trying to explain this using what he knows, which is science and physics in general. I am more of a hands on guy."

Yeah, I only watched it once but I agree with what you are saying. I mean, the guy is much older than I am, so some of what he is saying comes across as hard to understand, that's why I wish I could have asked him a few questions. I'll have to watch it again, some of the stuff in there sounded pretty interesting to me at the time.

[Lionheart]

You could also check out Buhlman who is a great guy too. We recently had a thread on him:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_secret_of_the_soul-t43546.0.html

William is excellent as well. Here is a recent 2013 interview with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gewT3DtsRWM

[jadrian70]

As someone who is just beginning their astral projection experiments too, here are 3 things I have gleaned so far from this site and other AP sources in general.

1. Tom Campbell is awesome. Something about having a physicst tell you that AP is legit is comforting.  (Not sure what you meant in a previous reply about his being older making some of his info hard to understand.) 

If you're struggling with skepticism and you're up to it, I might suggest reading his book "My Big Toe: A Unification of Philosophy, Physics, and Metaphysics".  You can read it online at Google books.  It can be a bit dry in parts, but it's very interesting how he describes his work with Monroe and the lab they set up to scientifically study the phenomena, as well as his theories about reality and consciousness. I'm only up to page 200.


2. There's no right way to AP. Everyone seems to have different variations that work for them and different experiences upon exiting.  Some people have vibrations, some people have none. Some people have sleep paralysis, others do not.  Find what works for you. That takes patience and practice.  If you ARE experiencing vibrations and it was your intent to induce those vibrations, I think you are safe in concluding that they are AP related.  And know that what works for you now, might not work for you later.


3. Don't try too hard.  It's an exiting adventure we want to undertake here, but you can't force it.  You just can't. It doesn't work that way.  There are a ton of posts from others on this site relating the same experiences you are having with jarring vibrations and fear.  It is simply an obstacle to overcome.  The only way to make progress is to face that fear and let whatever happens, happen. Until then you won't be going anywhere.  Make the decision now that the next time it happens, you will not allow the fear to stop you.

Good luck and don't give up.  While I haven't been able to consciously AP yet, I have had the accidental episodes and from my subjective perspective I can tell you it's worth the effort!   

[Lionheart]

As someone who is just beginning their astral projection experiments too, here are 3 things I have gleaned so far from this site and other AP sources in general.

1. Tom Campbell is awesome. Something about having a physicst tell you that AP is legit is comforting.  (Not sure what you meant in a previous reply about his being older making some of his info hard to understand.) 

If you're struggling with skepticism and you're up to it, I might suggest reading his book "My Big Toe: A Unification of Philosophy, Physics, and Metaphysics".  You can read it online at Google books.  It can be a bit dry in parts, but it's very interesting how he describes his work with Monroe and the lab they set up to scientifically study the phenomena, as well as his theories about reality and consciousness. I'm only up to page 200.


2. There's no right way to AP. Everyone seems to have different variations that work for them and different experiences upon exiting.  Some people have vibrations, some people have none. Some people have sleep paralysis, others do not.  Find what works for you. That takes patience and practice.  If you ARE experiencing vibrations and it was your intent to induce those vibrations, I think you are safe in concluding that they are AP related.  And know that what works for you now, might not work for you later.


3. Don't try too hard.  It's an exiting adventure we want to undertake here, but you can't force it.  You just can't. It doesn't work that way.  There are a ton of posts from others on this site relating the same experiences you are having with jarring vibrations and fear.  It is simply an obstacle to overcome.  The only way to make progress is to face that fear and let whatever happens, happen. Until then you won't be going anywhere.  Make the decision now that the next time it happens, you will not allow the fear to stop you.

Good luck and don't give up.  While I haven't been able to consciously AP yet, I have had the accidental episodes and from my subjective perspective I can tell you it's worth the effort!   

Excellent advice. Although if I can add to this, people can do a simple Youtube search on Astral Travel/Projection and get a number of great videos. I like Tom's take, but sometimes it can be a bit too technical for some. William Buhlman seems to have a much more "simplified" approach and explanation.

When reading a book or watching a video, always try to "see through" what they are trying to say. Many of these Authors, (except the ones with tons of testimonial behind them) explain things the was they perceive them, not necessarily the way you will though.

Jadrian's 3rd point is VERY important. YOU CANNOT FORCE AP! All you can do is put yourself into the proper state of mind and relaxation, then allow what's going to happen to happen. You have to really learn to "trust".  Once you find yourself there, create an intent and go enjoy the sights! 

[TeenageWitch22]

Well, I suppose in a way it's kind of a good thing that there are old people who are cool enough to give a speech about physics and astral projection in the same seminar. It gives me faith that perhaps one day we can all have a real OBE and then we can all be really happy

Also, I still regret to this day the fear that kept me from separating during the few times I felt like I got close last year. It's like my brain is warning at me to stay in my body and releases a lot of adrenaline as a result. Since then, I haven't experienced vibrations, but I have had dreams about Astral Projection. Really, I need to wait until I have a lot of time on my hands again to have another crack at it.

[Xanth]

4th... toss out this idea of "separating".
When you dream at night, do you "separate"?  Or do you just appear "there"?

Dreaming is a projection... a projection of an unconscious nature.  Don't limit yourself by bogging yourself down by specific and strict labels.

[TeenageWitch22]

how else can one have an out of body experience without separating though? I always thought that was what defined OBEs. If not, please explain more.

[Xanth]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39504726/Phasing_Primer.pdf

Enjoy

[Lionheart]

how else can one have an out of body experience without separating though? I always thought that was what defined OBEs. If not, please explain more.

By ignoring the physical, the non physical is all that left!  

It's a simple shift that is made when you "flick the switch". You do this by changing focus, Mantras, counting to 100, visualizing etc. There are numerous ways to achieve a non physical focus.

Now it's easy to SAY a "flick of the switch", but that's what it is. The only thing that can stop you is you and believe me, we can be the ultimate obstacles/hurdle here.  

One must "unlearn" what they have always been told and that's that we are our bodies. We are consciousness which at the time is using the body. Think of the body as a vessel.

Once you ignore the physical body long enough, your consciousness gets bored and leaves for something more exciting. Sometimes you are consciously AWARE of it, like in a AP from an awakened state. Other times your not AWARE and you experience it subconsciously, like in a Dream. But, you can still become consciously AWARE in that Dream, once you do, it's known as a Lucid Dream, which is still a Non Physical experience.

[TeenageWitch22]

yeah I'll have to read that tomorrow. Thanks though, everyone for replying to this post! It's good to hear some people that have put a lot of genuine thought into this great topic (and probably had great experiences as well). Unfortunately, I am too busy for the next couple of months  to really try to project again like I had before, but I can assure you that I will set out to do this at some point, and when it finally does happen for me, I will make sure to get back to you all.