Joke's on me!

[Nay]

Once again I am in awe of your travels..!!

Do you feel that perhaps this is your last life on this Earth?  Seeing how they said it was a place where "People, whether still inhabiting a physical body or not, were usually drawn to this place for the simple fact that they were coming to the end of experiencing lives in the physical".

Wow, Ginny..it so exciting..take me with you next time..lol..

Nay. []

[metaphysics]

Dear Ginny,
First of all, great account.
Is there some easy way to get to these places you talk about? - quite honestly, Bruce Moen's site is a bit confusing.  I know it's a long shot, but is there some simple technique? How do you personally get there?
Thanks a lot,
M

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by metaphysics

Dear Ginny,
First of all, great account.
Is there some easy way to get to these places you talk about? - quite honestly, Bruce Moen's site is a bit confusing.  I know it's a long shot, but is there some simple technique? How do you personally get there?
Thanks a lot,
M

Hi M,

For over two years I've just used his 3x3x3 method most of the time--to attain a nice relaxation and gather energy..and from there I had to trust that Placing Intent always works, to learn to pay attention to communications while in the nonphysical--via nonphysical senses, working with the mind's eye--and to play along in the nonphysical when unexpected things happened (such as people showing up or situations suddenly changing), and to ask questions from people There, etc. I've posted the 3x3x3 a couple of times here--is this what you're asking about?
M, I'm of the opinion that all of us really don't need 'techniques'--and yet we do, because we weren't raised with the knowledge of our ever-present connection with the nonphysical. But, the more familiar I become with the unique feel that each and every area of consciousness has, the less I feel the need for 'techniques'...and the more I just settle into a comfortable place, bring to me the feel of being relaxed (which brings it on instantly) and then bring to me the feel of any particular afterlife place or person...and I'm there. There's no way I would have trusted this two years ago, because I assumed it had to be difficult, exotic etc.
Hope I answered your question--:o).

Much love,

Ginny

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by Nay

Once again I am in awe of your travels..!!

Do you feel that perhaps this is your last life on this Earth?
Nay. []

Hi Nay,

I'm not surprised that I've apparently been visiting that F27 place a lot. For many years I thought physical life just basically sucked---(lol)--and had no intention of ever coming back. Now....I dunno. Things have changed...and maybe I'll leave that decision for when I finally exit...and see how I feel then.

Love,

Gin
ps....did you find a good book to read? I'm feeling a need too, to read something more 'down to earth'--:o).

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Another wonderful post Ginny!
I've got no questions at the moment, i just thought i should actually stop and let you know what i think of your posts, since i usualy just read them and wander off somewhere else. Sorry about that.
So thanks for this and all the other touching and inspirational stories you've given us! I'd love to be able do what you do one day. That is to say, i'd love to realise that i can do what you do one day []

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by Euphoric Sunrise

Another wonderful post Ginny!
I've got no questions at the moment, i just thought i should actually stop and let you know what i think of your posts, since i usualy just read them and wander off somewhere else. Sorry about that.
So thanks for this and all the other touching and inspirational stories you've given us! I'd love to be able do what you do one day. That is to say, i'd love to realise that i can do what you do one day []

Euphoric Sunrise,

How kind of you and thanks--:o).
And...I can't help myself (lol)--just gotta say something here about you hoping someday you'll realize you can do this too. I pretty much had the same belief over two years ago, Euphoric, and when I found out that all of us already possess the ability to be in the nonphysical, that it's so simple to do, I was estatic. I had come to the point where I believed I was either a failure (because I couldn't master at will OOBEs, lucid dreaming, difficult meditation techniques, etc) or just unable to understand and do what others were doing. If you don't mind, I borrowed B. Moen's words about this...because this bit below caught my attention in the beginning and helped me to realize that I already had all 'the equipment I needed' to explore: that the only thing between me and exploring the nonphysical was *what I was believing* (and wouldn't ya know?--the best way to change old beliefs comes from just continually being in the nonphysical).



"What Perceptual Skills Are Required?
The perceptual skills required to explore the Afterlife are so ridiculously simple the hardest part is believing you're doing it. Suppose I ask you to remember a childhood pet. In fact, stop reading right now, close your eyes for a few moments and remember a childhood pet. Did you have an impression of your pet? Did you: see it in your mind's eye?; remembered a specific experience with it?; feel feelings you had toward it? If you had ANY impression of your pet, you are capable of learning to explore the Afterlife. Just thinking about a deceased family member or friend is like calling then on the phone in the physical. At its most basic, it's as simple as that.

When I first began, I believed I had to learn some exotic technique.
Learning the perceptual skills necessary to explore the Afterlife was ridiculously simple. Dealing with my beliefs, however, was at times, difficult."

I hope you don't mind me offering all this. I don't want anyone to ever think that I somehow possess special skills or talents--far from it.

Thanks again and much love--:o),

Ginny

[Nay]

Hey Gin []

LOL.yep, I have found a more down to earth book to read for now..
It seems I have come to some mental block (lack for a better word)
I am still dreaming up a storm..but can't seem to go lucid and I can't seem to have ANY OOBE's at all.[] This "block" has seemed to come right after my own visit to Focus 23..since then...nothing!  
Sooooo, I guess I will just sit back patiently and allow it to happen when it happens...*sniff,sniff* .....ugh..patience..not one of my strong points..lol..

Ok..going to live vicariously thru you for awhile!! []

Nay. []

[Nick]

Hi Ginny,

Thank you again for another wonderful post! I hope to meet up with you sometime in F27, maybe at that conservatory over a cup of that celestial coffee?

quote:
Originally posted by Ginny:

I had come to the point where I believed I was either a failure (because I couldn't master at will OOBEs, lucid dreaming, difficult meditation techniques, etc) or just unable to understand and do what others were doing.

It's not just me then? []  The little or no results I had with what you mentioned is what eventually brought me to astral phasing ( also many thanks to Frank). Thus far, I've hit F21 a few times, but am shooting for F27 and perhaps I'll also take another look at that 3x3x3 method you have written about.

Thanks again, Ginny!

Very best,

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Thanks for the response Ginny. I think i've almost made it to the astral by phasing a couple of times. I think i've just gotta be more dedicated, which i guess means believing more. I believe in a way. I really do believe i can do this, it's just there's gotta some part of me (in my subconcious perhaps?) that has just a grain of doubt.
Again, thanks for the helpful response and i'll continue to work at it[]

[Ginny]

quote:Originally posted by Nick

Nick,

Mocha, double shot. It's a deal.

When I started working with Focused Attention (3x3x3) and was getting previously unknown info I was able to then verify in the physical, the idea that I had to experience the nonphysical in full 3D with the just-like-the-5-physical-senses just evaporated. I actually felt rather comfortable with using the mind's eye and have found it fun to learn to work with receiving and sending rotes and use nonphysical senses. But, each to their own...this is just what's worked for me.

I'll be seeing ya There--:o)...and much love,

Ginny

[Ginny]

Hi everyone,

While relaxing in the 3D blackness the other day a round area to my left suddenly materialized that felt like deep indigo (it was darker than the surrounding grainy blackness). I focused in on it--having already decided that I wanted to go to a place in F27 I had never been before--and without any sensation of movement, without any sense of having arrived anywhere, I was then just peering into a rich blue-black. I then perceived someone direct at me, in a lazy, singsong fashion, "Yoohoo"...and I mentally said to myself, "Yoohoo?!?", feeling the greeting was for some reason strange or out of character. I don't know why I thought that, but I wanted to laugh as well as immediately find out why someone would offer such a casual, sort of familiar greeting. I then sensed several were around me and a few were giggling, others stifling laughter at my wondering about the "Yoohoo". I then announced that I couldn't 'see' anyone--all was still that luxurious blackness. I was really intrigued about who I was with and why I was feeling a little confused. Someone then communicated for me to bring the feeling of love to me, in order to perceive better, which I then did.

Within a few seconds I was then looking up at a huge, long, rectanglar glass ceiling perhaps 300 feet high, comprised of glass panels curving down part way to the flooring. It was made up of what appeared to be glass panels of clear and colored or stained glass. The stained glass portions were more geometric, or curving shapes that didn't resemble anything I've seen in cathedrals, homes etc. I stared at them, sensing a familiarity but beyond that I was clueless. Sunlight streamed in, illuminating the vast room in soft, milky colors...and I then realized the room itself must have been as long and as wide as perhaps a few football fields. The place felt ancient, walls comprised of thick, ornately carved wood...upholstered chairs, small tables scattered here and there, people occasionally having I guess coffee (or that's what came across). It felt kind of like a library but not quite. Some had been sitting, talking, discussing. Everyone appeared as gold-white, oblong energy shapes.

As I took all this in, in a matter of seconds I was also getting information from those standing near...they knew me and were finding it funny that I was not remembering them. I froze when this hit me...and I asked if I had understood them correctly. This generated a few more laughs (I never felt I was being 'laughed at--just people who knew and understood my predicament). I could feel others were smiling at me, waiting for me to have something dawn into my awareness...and it did. I then knew I was a frequent visitor there, apparently while asleep, and this got ME laughing. I said, "You're kidding!"...and they said nope, enjoying the moment immensely. So I thought this through, thinking it was indeed rather hilarious: there I was struggling to recall a place that I actually knew quite well on another level. I started giggling as I could feel myself take in more and more of a specific kind of feeling that belonged to either the place and/or the people surrounding me, and although it did feel familiar I still couldn't put it into words or really make it my own yet. I had to ask if some there were in my shoes, meaning were some also currently inhabiting a physical body? I got a strong yes. One of them answered that many were not, many were. I asked if anyone, still currently involved with a physical life, visited Bruce Moen's website and three to my right, one almost in front of me and several over to my left indicated yes...and a few made a point to not start laughing again. I asked if some came from various countries, from using different methods of accessing the nonphysical and got a strong yes (I was thinking of this forum, Astral Consciousness, when I asked). And so...I had to ask, "So who ARE you guys?!" No one communicated a thing but I sensed they were holding back for a reason and found my arrival a good form of entertainment. I then said, "Okay...I bet that you knew I was coming here at this time, and that a greater part of me did too, and that it would be understood that I'd be going through this amnesia game." One said many of them had gone through it too and that basically yes, it had been agreed upon that I'd do this. I asked if there was some measure of value in this amnesia game and got more knowing smiles. I had to laugh because I could feel in them a desire to want to explain and yet it was for me to 'wake up to'...so much was for me to actually become aware of, in order to really come to 'know'. So, they held back.

I then noticed at some distance away in the great entrance or hallway an extremely bright energy shape appear, followed by several others, and begin to move towards us. There was absolutely no feeling that this person was revered, or in some kind of position of authority. He/she was just another member or inhabitant of this place. Stopping within around ten feet of me I instantly sensed female, then male...and settled on neither, or perhaps both (lol). No one was in charge there. Such a way of thinking didn't exist. Everyone waited patiently while I thought this out and when my attention was back with them the bright person indicated for me to follow...that we would take a stroll. Several of us then followed, from where he/she had originally appeared and we were soon at a thick wooden door.

We were then passing out into a tropical setting: a congested row of various trees extending as far as the eye could see to our left. A curving stone path led away through soft grass, meandering in and out of shade from trees bordering the building (which I noted was made of large blocks of what appeared to be granite or white-gray stone), and eventually to a large open garden area full of roses. An area to my immediate left was full of blue roses as well as several various flowers...all blue. As we continued slowly walking along the path I briefly knelt and inspected a white rose to my right, taking in other roses and flowers. At one point I looked back and could see the glass ceiling rising above the lush garden setting, in a golden mistiness, sunlight glinting off the tranparent panels. All was so peaceful there.

The bright person started communicating a few things, such as the fact that this F27 place was quite old indeed. Many there speculated on why the complex had been created by inhabitants now long gone. People, whether still inhabiting a physical body or not, were usually drawn to this place for the simple fact that they were coming to the end of experiencing lives in the physical. Anyone could visit and/or stay there, but usually those resonating with this idea felt comfortable there. It wasn't the only place for such people, perhaps one of several--I don't know. He/she also communicated something about the plant life we were walking through, saying it was there as a reminder, a fond memory of earth existence, and also viewed as living beings that certain members would actually take with them when they exited the ELS. Some of the flora, I was told, I wasn't familiar with. There was a strong sense that a number of things were being preserved there. I asked where the daffodils were and was told to include some in the vast garden, which I did. I asked the person what the permanent as well as the still-in-the-physical inhabitants did there...and was answered with, "A lot of contemplation, learning, discussion, relaxing, being with like-minded people." I said I had sensed a part of the building was like a huge library and was told that was true. It was much more than that but the idea of a 'library' partially fit. I then asked the person their name and got back, "Amelia...that will work, Amelia." I could feel she was about to crack up right then and there (for some reason I felt the name didn't seem right) and she continued with the fact that she really didn't identify with male or female that much, but that Amelia would suffice for now, if I needed a name for her.

As we eventually made our way back I commented that the place felt liked a conservatory and asked if that was accurate. Amelia paused and stated that such a word fit rather nicely. Once back inside the building I asked for the names of some of the others there and was told that, yes, the use of names was a way to identify others, but that for the most part they simply weren't used there. Each person's unique 'energy-essence' was their 'true name'. She then indicated, by moving her arms in a flowing kind of motion, that any given name (such as my name) was a part of or included in a person's over-all unique energy---and it was in the feeling of that energy that offered an instantaneous knowing of each person. So, names as I'm accustom to, basically, were a slow or out-dated method for identification. I decided to give up on names at that point (lol).

I began to feel my time was up and in offering a goodbye to everyone I paused, started laughing and said, "Guess I'll probably be seeing you later on...when I fall asleep?" I could feel a lot of smiles...and I couldn't help but wonder if those grinning the most had already been through the 'amnesia game' themselves. As I walked out through a wide entrance and turned to face everyone I was then suddenly being propelled upwards at a rapid pace. I watched the conservatory rapidly shrink and I decided to return to C1.

Does anyone feel they may have been to this F27 'think tank/conservatory' place---even if it may have appeared differently but the purpose there seems familiar?


Thanks for reading and much love,

Ginny