The end of the world-2012?

[no_leaf_clover]

When I first heard of all the pole shift stuff, I thought it was a magnetic change, like all magnets point North suddenly are pulled South, etc., too, but turns out what is meant is a change in the actual physical ice caps. I don't know if they'll flip totally so that they're fully switched, but I wouldn't be surprised if some things got a little re-organized by Nibiru's gravity.

[TheLunatic]

If the earth physically flipped it would 100% wipe out life on this planet. Such a change isn't very likely to ever happen The earth's moon stabilizes our axis currently. It would be more likely for the earth to fly out into deep space, get hit by a huge hunk of space junk or get flung into the sun. If however we lost the moon then it would be more possible for the earth to wobble more than it does. This would cause chaos in weather patterns and make life very bad. Flip totally? still very unlikely.

As far as a rouge planet causing problems, well no one has ever detected such an object and it would be really hard to miss. Be more worried about 1km sized asteroids than some invisible unknown planet.

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

When I first heard of all the pole shift stuff, I thought it was a magnetic change, like all magnets point North suddenly are pulled South, etc., too, but turns out what is meant is a change in the actual physical ice caps. I don't know if they'll flip totally so that they're fully switched, but I wouldn't be surprised if some things got a little re-organized by Nibiru's gravity.

[paladinblake]

actually, thelunatic,

nibiru, or a celestial object hand't been spotted, but there have been magnetic and gravitational disturbances supposedly caused by one that was in the direction of the Orion constallation.  and it was in the NYTimes that a 'planet X' had been spotted but one of those space explorer units that the US spontaneously send flying toward deep space.  if you read the thread in the predictions forum labaled "oh no... its august" or something like that, there are some links.  its pretty interesting stuff.  another good thing is google.com.  i actually went to nasa.com and there was an article on "Planet X".  so check it out.

-Paladin

[no_leaf_clover]

Sounds unlikely, but that's what's been going around regarding this whole idea. The pole shift can be avoided but from what Mayatnik and Parmenion have channeled and posted, it most likely will not be avoided. Some metaphysical things come into play, but if a large planet was to come around and align in a certain way with other planets and the sun, then the results here would be catastrophic. We're already experiencing worsening weather and more frequent earthquakes and volcano activity, and the sun is becoming more active when it shouldn't. And what do you think is causing all of this? All science even tries to account for is the water starting to bulge at the equator, which they attribute smugly to global warming. Earth being flung out into space and hurled into the sun is a just a bit more unlikely, Lunatic. []

[Tayesin]

quote:Originally posted by TheLunatic

If the earth physically flipped it would 100% wipe out life on this planet. Such a change isn't very likely to ever happen

Hi all.
If you read "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Robert Bauval, you will find that Einstien was asked to look at the possibility of physical crustal flips.  He put his huge abilities to work on it and came up with an answer that said not only is it very possible, but it must have also happened a number of times in the Earth's history. The conservative estimates for how devastating these events have been is currently 92%!! That also coincides with the estimations for the event that wiped out the dinosaurs and allowed the insignificant Mammals to eventually populate the planet.

Crustal Slippage is an excellent answer to the problem of how Antarctica could have had huge temperate forests, and also explains the little known evidence of ruined civilisations on that continent!!!  It would seem that Antarctica was situated much closer to the Equater than it is at the moment.

Also, there are numerous predictions for huge crustal slippages that should see the southernmost tip of South America being relocated much closer to the Southern Pole.  I think that would be great, coz Queensland, Australia (where I live) would be closer to the Equator and therefore even more Summery.  LOL.[]

Love always.

[no_leaf_clover]

Thanks for the info, Tayesin. []

I remember seeing on the Discovery Channel that the only reason the Snowball Earth Theory came about was that evidence of glaciers was found in South America, Africa, etc., and up until that point (and maybe even still today) it was believed that those continents weren't in the right places on Earth at those times to be able to have glaciers on them, and no one could explain it. That's neat how Einstein came to the conclusion that this sort of thing has already happened. I wonder why we don't hear more of things like this?

[TheLunatic]

I remember hearing about stuff like this 10 years ago. They use to call it nemesis back then. I will check out the nasa site though. Maybe some new information has come to light.

quote:Originally posted by paladinblake

actually, thelunatic,

nibiru, or a celestial object hand't been spotted, but there have been magnetic and gravitational disturbances supposedly caused by one that was in the direction of the Orion constallation.  and it was in the NYTimes that a 'planet X' had been spotted but one of those space explorer units that the US spontaneously send flying toward deep space.  if you read the thread in the predictions forum labaled "oh no... its august" or something like that, there are some links.  its pretty interesting stuff.  another good thing is google.com.  i actually went to nasa.com and there was an article on "Planet X".  so check it out.

-Paladin

[TheLunatic]

I guess we will see, I'm not holding my breath though. I think mankind is much more likely to screw up things than anything else.

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover

Sounds unlikely, but that's what's been going around regarding this whole idea. The pole shift can be avoided but from what Mayatnik and Parmenion have channeled and posted, it most likely will not be avoided. Some metaphysical things come into play, but if a large planet was to come around and align in a certain way with other planets and the sun, then the results here would be catastrophic. We're already experiencing worsening weather and more frequent earthquakes and volcano activity, and the sun is becoming more active when it shouldn't. And what do you think is causing all of this? All science even tries to account for is the water starting to bulge at the equator, which they attribute smugly to global warming. Earth being flung out into space and hurled into the sun is a just a bit more unlikely, Lunatic. []

[TheLunatic]

There is a lot of different idea's going around in here all at once. I think you're talking about the tectonic plates shifting. This is more likely than the earth flipping upside-down in space as far as my understanding of things.

The earth's plates are moving around all the time, just not very quickly. Some speculate that there are periods of rapid movement. I find this to be very possible.

quote:Originally posted by Tayesin
Hi all.
If you read "Fingerprints of the Gods" by Robert Bauval, you will find that Einstien was asked to look at the possibility of physical crustal flips.  He put his huge abilities to work on it and came up with an answer that said not only is it very possible, but it must have also happened a number of times in the Earth's history. The conservative estimates for how devastating these events have been is currently 92%!! That also coincides with the estimations for the event that wiped out the dinosaurs and allowed the insignificant Mammals to eventually populate the planet.

[Tab]

Damn you no_leaf, now you've got me having dreams that I'm seeing two suns setting (well, the sun, and nibiru next to it)

quote: I remember hearing about stuff like this 10 years ago. They use to call it nemesis back then.

I remember watching Sailor Moon R and these guys came from the 10th planet called Nemesis :/
Not that I watched Sailor Moon >_><_<
I WAS 12 >_< SHUT UP

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

2012 is not the end of the world per se as has been interpreted in material terms.

It is rather considered to be a pivotal point for mankind where there will be a shift higher in the vibration of the physical plane, thereby causing an etherealisation, a decreasing density. It is vital for mankind before then for there to have taken place an expansion of consciousness encompassing all mankind, so that mankind will raise its vibrations in line with the physical plane, and exist at that higher spiritual level closer to the Astral.

Those members of mankind who have not raised their consciousness will be left to the darkness. This is why this decade is critical for mankind, and why we are seeing more and more people seeking Spiritual truths and realities and rejecting creed, dogma and materialism.

There are many actions mankind needs to take, but taming of the ego, realisation of Spirit, The All within, and to live in unconditional love are particularly important, as well as recognising the higher realities and living in Spirit generally.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Anonymous]

I think you may be right, Adrian. On the other hand, the Planet X theory is also convincing. However, I would like to mention there was a post about this a few months ago involving a site called Zetatalk.com (which is a load of crap). They claim to predict things and said the end of the world would be May 15th, but obviously we're still here. I'd rather live (move) closer to the Astral than be creamed by some planet. The orbit of such a planet would have to be on a collision course with almost all the planets in order to hit us. One day it would hit some other planet instead of us, which would discontinue the cycle. The fact that there is a pattern here suggests that this cannot be the reality. If we live in patterns we will never know the truth.

Last night I had a rather disturbing dream about a Christian cult that was practicing not only shunning but pointing their finger at others and accusing them of all kinds of sins. For some reason I went to their church because I knew something weird was up and I got all these angry looks from them and they were yelling at me. Not that I really cared, because I knew THEY didn't know the truth about reality. Anyway, I think the dream had something to do with the way religious people (or people who claim they are religious) are today, stuck in the dogma and rituals that lack (or have lost) meaning. When I say religious, I am not referring to those who have an open mind about how others worship or try to raise their spirituality, or those who worship the way that THEY think they should and not how others want them to. I'm talking about the people who think that their religion is the only one and that everyone else is going to hell. I'm talking about the conformists. How can conformity ever lead to enlightenment? It can't. That's why I think Adrian is right. The end/transformation of the world won't be physical; it will be spiritual. It's hard to believe that some of our equals would be left behind, but there are many in this world who just can't seem to get past the physical aspect of existence. I don't blame them or judge them for it, but I hope that they can still ascend eventually, if they reach a new spiritual awareness.

Also, I don't believe the End is in 9 years. I think we have a ways to go as a whole before we can ascend with at least MOST of the population. Right now we seem to be in a downward spiral- dishonor runs rampant all over the world, disrespect for other cultures and races, and there is little or no integrity in both the government and majority of the masses. What has happened is that we have become set in our ways, in a pattern of existence, keeping us from realizing the truth. We set our own goals and desires, because we are forced to do this in order to survive (i.e. make some money to buy food and shelter, which the earth has already provided us with), and our minds are not free. Bruce Lee was a very influential person, but it seems as though people just chose to ignore his great philosophies. He told us this stuff during his short life on earth- 32 years. What an incredible man.

Anyway, I think that people need to be made aware of the fact that they are living in patterns. I am guilty of this too. We all are. Some of it we can't help right now, because of legal and social dispositions.

The Christians talk about being "saved," and I think that at one time, this is probably what they meant. Now "saves" seems to have a different meaning (go to church and throw your money in the collection basket). There must be true Christians and false ones. I think the majority of Christians who go to church may very well be false, or maybe they just don't take the initiative to try to learn the real meanings for themselves. Anyone (who is Christian) I've tried to have a deep conversation with does not understand what I talk about (i.e. the Astral world and our four bodies and their roles in our existence). It is sad that not many realize that this exists.

Well, I'd better stop talking now. I feel my post/reply was a bit off-topic, but I tried to relate it as best i could.

[no_leaf_clover]

At its roots, the 'Planet X' Theory coincides with what Adrian said (Adrian never mentioned 'Planet X' specifically, so maybe I'm not really saying anything that Adrian didn't mean.. Eh, Adrian? []). Nibiru is coming around to help rid the Earth of those who are holding us back. We need to straighten up and do our parts as a race in this part of the universe, and there are just some people on Earth that can't accept the fact that not only is there other life out there, but that we are descended of them and we're really screwing them over by being ignorant of them and wasting a whole planet with wars, destruction, massacres..

Rather than a specific time just popping up out of nowhere for us to suddenly spiritually evolve as a race, this time has been anticipated for a long while because Nibiru is returning at this time, and to help aid us as well as whoever else is out there, some surprising things are going to be brought to our attention along with the fact that a life-supporting planet is in our own system and would like to expect better things from us.

The upcoming events shouldn't be viewed as an end as much as it should be a new beginning to our civilization in which spirituality plays a much bigger role. Of course, it probably will be an end for physical life for many people, but as a race, this is a very important time for us, to say the least.

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

I don't know much about these Planet X and Nibiru theories. I certainly do not believe that the planet will physically meet with a terminal disaster unless Darth Vader and Moff Tarkin arrive with their deathstar and do an Alderaan on us []

But as was suggested, I do believe 2012 is a Spiritual not a physical shift. I don't believe it will happen overnight either where people will literally wake up one day to find themselves either on a higher or lower Spiritual plane relative to the physical. I rather think there will be a marked and progressive shift where there is still an opportunity for those still stuck in materialism, creed and dogma to expand their consciousness with everyone else when the realisation arises.

But again, obviously I don't know for sure, but that is my opinion based upon all of the information I have seen on this matter. In any case, I am absolutely sure that this decade is pivotal for all mankind, and an expansion of consciousness just has to take place.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Anonymous]

Hi, Timeless

You get these visions too? I've been getting visions (I think they are visions) of myself in this really wacky and cool house with a weird-shaped window with blue glass in it. The interior of the house is a white that is just so pure and clean. The blue makes this house really unique. I sense water relatively nearby, maybe a few miles away. I see this sort of stuff only when I am happy. When I am angry (usually this involves an encounter with an ignorant or low-class person- low-class not meaning their financial income, but their lifestyle) I see all the bad stuff that is happening now, only worse. People are even more ignorant and angry at each other and always fighting. The world is totally polluted and people just act really insane.

Just so I can verify this, can you describe to me how you see these visions? Are they just images that sort of pop into your mind (that's what happens to me)? Or are they something else, more vivid (usually these kinds of things pop into my mind, but they are more vivid than normal. Once there, I can view them anytime)? I don't think I'm at the psychic level you are, but hopefully soon I will start a telepathy training session with someone I know. I have a friend who is psychic but doesn't train her abilities because she didn't know exactly what her abilities were. I've encouraged her to train. We share many similar views about the world. She is a true friend who I admire a lot.

[Anonymous]

Hi Timeless-

I don't know if what I saw is a vision, but I believe it was because it was accompanied by strong emotion. When I see this "vision" of my house, there is not sound, unless sometimes it's linked to music I am listening to. Usually if the radio is on, I will hear the same song in my head, no matter what's playing on the radio. I think it is a sign that I'll probably still be listening to techno someday. This future doesn't sound far off- less than ten years, it feels like.

When you talk about predicting the future, I think that what you may be seeing are consequences of the choices you have already made, vs. the variable possibility of consequences of the decisions you have not yet made. What I understand to be true (for now, at least) about the Universe is that all of the actions we make close some doors while opening others. The key is to find out which of these doors we wish to remain open- you never know what's in the next room until you're there, if you do not mean to go there. If you go there without meaning to, you become lost, then you have to figure out which doors are now available to you. I think that as long as you can see the light in the door, once you've made it to the last room, you'll be fine. Stepping through the door into the realm of light is the moment you can no longer be lost, because there will be no doors that you have to open- All the walls are gone, and it's vast, open space... Ultimate freedom. Just make sure you're not traveling through the doors in a circle, and you'll make progress. You don't need me to tell you this stuff though. You're probably a lot more advanced than I am. I don't train my psyche, really, I just try to do the right thing. I think my next big step is probably to move out of the U.S. I don't know where to go, though. I just want to get away so that the materialistic society I live in will not misuse anything I do for the purposes of materialism. Unfortunately, I find that much of the world is materialistic, because of what I have heard on the news and from what some friends have told me that live in other countries. I think when it comes down to it, I don't so much mind a materialistic group of people, I just don't want to be forced into materialism myself. One thing I have noticed about people in the U.S. is this attitude of entitlement. Where I work, I have never seen more ignorant people. Not my co-workers, but the people that come in and buy things. They act like I am their servant or something. It's so aggrivating. They treat me like I'm a machine that will do whatever they say, and if I cannot do it because of our store policy, they get mad at me, not my boss, despite what I tell them about me just being an employee and not having any control over the way business is done. Most of the people that shop there are low-class individuals who have little or no respect for others or themselves. They are ignorant of the world outside of their lives and they just can't seem to understand that they're dealing with human beings. Anyway, I need to get going. I realize that this is common in the retail business, but I think things need to turn around and people need to become aware of their manners and conduct with each other. If the End is indeed going to be in the next 9 years, then people better start doing something, especially here in the U.S. (at least from what I've seen).

Anyway...Thanks for defining what you see, Timeless. Sometimes I can walk around in these "visions" I have, but most of the time I choose to float or fly. I take trips out to the most random places when I feel like it. One of my favorites is the Midwest U.S. desert, where there are a couple Native-American settlements. This is all in the time of about the 1800's. I'm not sure which state, probably near where Nevada and Colorado are now, somewhere in that general vicinity. Usually when I go there I am on a horse traveling up a long, straight road through a time-warp that takes me there, and when I get to the other side, there is an ancient forest (or oasis) at the end of the road, where the natives live. It is so nice to go there, it's like a vacation. Maybe there's some deep spiritual treasure or energy source out there. Usually when I go, I see the chief of one of the tribes, which may be the Navajo. I'm not sure. Sometimes, if I feel like it, I'll get off the horse and fly really fast down the road. What a rush of wind! Okay, I really need to go now. I talk too much.

[Tayesin]

Hi All.
Over the last 6 years or so I have had numerous visions and dreams of the times ahead. I would like to share some of them with you. Firstly though, when Sight comes upon me, it presents a picture or 'movie' over whatever I am looking at in that moment, so I see the reality of normal sight and something new.

About 5 years ago I was sitting outside enjoying the view across town to the hills and 'saw' the valleys filled with water and a debris line along the foothills.  This vision then moved forward and I could see that the water was now constant and people were fishing from makeshift boats.  I asked Guidance how this could be and was answered with, "A forty metre subsidence will occur".  Then they showed me the many ancient fault lines between here and the coast, and how they will subside with a domino-like effect. That night I dreamed lucidly of standing on a spur of the ranges with my daughter as we watched ordinary waves rolling all the way in to the foothills.  My daughter was 4 at the time and in the dream she was around 9, she turns nine years old next month.

A series of more lucid dreams showed me that our coastline would also be hit by tsunamis.  They were very disturbing to me as I 'lived' three days of the events in the one lucid dream and was horrified with what I saw happening amongst the survivors and the Military/Police, who where shooting people on the streets after martial law was established.  It was in these dreams that I learned that Tsunamis come in three swells, which was to be verified a few weeks later by the events in Papua New Guinea.  This also made sense of the debris line I had seen in vision.

I attended a circle run by some very wonderful old 'sensitive' women and we did what they called a "Walk in the Mists".  This is a method for walking a timeline to see the probable events of the future. All of us saw the same things around 2012, namely huge earth upheavals and volcanic activity as well as the coming of 'Light-Ships' to take some people off this planet!  That one really surprised me.  The events we saw were the climax of a series of prior events and the earth calmed very quickly before the end of 2012.  This was supported also when going on Soul journeys to talk with the Guides, who showed me that my daughter would only leave me to go on with her tasks after the events had subsided, at around the age of 19.

Last month I conducted the same method with a group of around twenty people and most saw the same or very similar things occuring, except of course for the ones who won't survive the events, as they only saw darkness because they will not be here.  Interestingly, I have met a small number of people who know within themselves that they will be leaving this planet on Light-Ships!

A few times I have lucidly dreamed of being in other parts of the world when these and other events occur, as if I was inhabiting the body of someone else in order to see it from another perspective.  I saw New York devastated by a huge Tsunami at night, and only survived because a woman had said to me, we can make it to 'the Manhattan Survival Project', which was based in old underground rail tunnels and funded by non-military types.  What was very interesting in these lucid dreams was that the earth axis-shifted, so all of us felt the inertia and fell over.  Then when it was safe to go out again, we noticed that the stars had rolled backwards so that we could see different constellations from the same perspective, as well as seeing 'Visitor Craft' who were here to observe the shift!

I think I will cut it short here coz I don't wish to write a book right here. LOL [] Suffice to say that I have great faith in these visions as every one I ever had came to reality in the past, so I cannot doubt them.

Love always.

[Anonymous]

Hi Timeless

I do not know about vision-quests; I do not look at myself during the "visions." I feel myself more as a being of light, made of energy. However, I also believe that I may be wearing a poncho, similar to a Mexican blanket. It is made of some kind of cloth, possibly cotton.

What's interesting is that I have some very distant lineage to a North-American Native tribe whose origin was somewhere in Canada. I don't know exactly where, but for some reason something tells me it's somewhere Northwest. Maybe my ancestors took a trip down to Sothwest U.S. in their vision-quests and need me to do something? I don't know. I'm still freaked out about getting out of my body, because of the sensations. I'd like to get out and travel back to that time and see what's going on there.

I've been on some kind of a journey for years now. I've traveled over lands made of pure light and color, icy wastelands, deserts, tropical areas, and even the New England forests, which are (or at least were) very magical. I have yet to go inside of any caves and doubt that I will.

I've picked up a book of exercises for the Qi Gong year and will hopefully be starting in the spring (when the qi gong year begins). I'm going to try to do some preperation before then so that I will practice every day. My other qi gong exercises are good, but I think that this set of exercises will be better for me- there's more of them, so there's less of a "same old routine." It is filled with quotes from the Tao Te Ching, and I find them very enlightening (of course).

Hi Tayesin

Your visions sound similar to what they were saying on Zetatalk.com (only Zetatalk said the world would be ending about four months ago, and we're still here, lol). I think it's best for mankind not to think about the end of the world- if we do, then we'll waste all our energy on that and not on our own development. It is always something to take into consideration, though. I have felt the end of the world, like a giant wall in time, since I was quite young. My parents said that everyone keeps saying "Oh, but this time it really is the end of the world." Gee, where have we heard that one before? (By the way, I'm not trying to say that your visions are untrue. I have great faith in visions). My point is, the end will come when it comes, and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. It will come when we least expect it (2012 sounds like a time that people wouldn't expect too, but I think it would be even more probable for the world to end sometime between now and then or sometime after 2012, before the next prediction of when the world's going to end- if we live to predict it). The only thing we can do is accept it as a part of nature. All that happens is a part of nature, even the emergence of mankind's technology. It is of a higher nature. Nature is the one thing that will never be destroyed, because whatever happens becomes nature and comes from it, even the end of the entire Universe. It got here somehow, and when it ends, it will one day return, however it got here in the first place.

I have only had one dream about the end of the world- It happened slowly, each part of the earth becoming too deadly to be at, until finally the whole earth was covered in lava or water. On the land there were chasms too far and deep to fathom, pillars of stone sticking out of them, ascending from some sort of infinite darkness. I did not dare to go near them. I woke up as the part I was standing on, presumably the last safe place, became unliveable, even for one second. It was strange. It was as if death itself was occupying the deadly parts of the earth. There were some parts that looked perfectly normal, but to go on them was to die instantly, for no apparent reason. I wouldn't call my dream a vision, because I think it had more to do with the fact that I was trying to figure out when the earth would end.

I probably won't be around after the earth ends, as I'm living on an island on the east coast of the U.S. - then again, this will be my last year of college and I have no idea where I'll be working in 9 years. I do sense a general happiness about my future, though. I feel as if it is going to get happier and happier.

[skymageinfinity]

I too live in Australia and have had similar visions of Tidal Waves. However, they were not as 'real' compared to my nuclear war dreams that I have recurringly.

The last one I had was the day George Bush came to Australia which I didnt know about until I woke up and saw on TV that George Bush was in Australia. I had 'seen' him meet with the officials of Australia the exact time it happened. Perth is 3 hours behind Sydney so it was still early morning in Perth (me still alseep) while in Sydney, George Bush was actually 'physically' shaking hands with government officials. This is the whole reason I went to watch TV... I had a sense something was happening. The nuclear war vision was before this, and I am sure these two are somehow linked.


Anyway... I will not share my vision on here for obvious reasons. If anyone is actually interested, you can email me.

All I know is that if the world is to end in 2012 (or whenever) it will be with nuclear weapons, and I will be there alive to watch and hear them in the sky!

[The AlphaOmega]

I don't believe anyone knows when the end of the world will be.  I've heard a little bout from others about this "demon war", but I don't really know what it intales.  Basically I think if the war does end in 9 years then we all have something to look forward to!

[Neo Schiavo]

Based on all of your opinions, I have strung together this hypothesis:

Nibiru will pass through our solar system and begin to align itself with the rest of the nine planets.  Towards end of 2012, the resulting row of the planets (including Nibiru) will cause immense gravitational pressure on the Earth's magnetosphere.  One of the side effects of this will result in the rising of the oceans due to atmospheric changes such as unequal gravity and/or increased climatical fluctuations.

These anomalies will initiate the dreaded pole reversal.  This switch will unbalance the 'plane of density' (physical) and will most likely cause it collide with the 'plane of desire' (astral).  The fabled "demon attack" will pursue, however, these entities will not be actual demons.  Rather, they will be negative thought forms (or NEGs) that will manifest from the hatred amongst the human race.  

Unprepared by this sudden change of events, mankind as a society will break down under its own esteem.  War World III may pursue as the human race splits into an every-man-for-himself deathmatch, fighting to survive the seamingly impossible senario.  All the while, Nibiru will be watching as it's failed creation destroys itself.

When the clocks strike twelve midnight, December 22, 2012, the Earth will stand still for a timeless moment as the 'akasha' rebalances itself.  The planes will split and become separate again.  Nibiru will move on.  The oceans will subside.  All the evil that existed will be mere shadow memories, and the cycle will reach the point it hasn't been in almost 5000 years.

The survivors (hopefully more than a hand-full) will rebuild our society, and bring about "The New World Order."  A thousand years of peace will then insue.  But if there really is a pattern, the animosity will return and history will repeat itself once again...

BTW, this is just a hypothesis I made based on what was posted in addition to what I've heard before.  I don't actually believe in any of it.

[Clow]

I'm not sure but I think I was the one who pioneered this topic to astral pulse a long long time ago. Here is my Idea. The Astral(demons) and the Physical(us) Will collide and the Astral will turn physical. I also believe this happened a long long time ago. Zi is the ruler of demons and wants to take the physical plane over. Soooo he attacks us but. Guess what no end of the world. Prophecies say that we win destroy Zi and everything goes back to normal. As in no more war. I imagine that there would be quite a few changes in landscape.

[The AlphaOmega]

So misunderstood.  It just seems to me that many of you have come to believe that because you now know part of the truth you have left behind skepticism, even within yourselves.  You believe that what you see or what you experience is the truth, because you SAW it.  It's simply not the case.  Perception is the mind making truth out of a situation that could have many different meanings.  I know that none but God knows when the end of the world will be.  I know this because He created the world, and there is no man nor uprising that can manipulate His will for His creations.  Some believe that perhaps mankind will get too greedy or evil and destroy themselves... but God created man, and only God can destroy His own creations.  Do you truly believe that He does not have the power to stop our own destruction.  Our future, whether in 2021 or 9021, lies in His hands.  Your theories and your predictions... your dreams or experiences... none of them can compete with Gods will.  There is no other truth, and believing He exists does not matter.  You will see in HIS own time that His will reigns supreme, and there is no stopping it, because it was decided before the world ever started.  There is no doubt that many of you will ask how I know, or how I can be sure, or that you have "seen" that I am wrong.  None of it matters.  I am not here to convince you, or to get you on my side.  I am here simply stating the truth, which remains truth no matter what anyones belief.  I am not a prophet of God, nor am I smarter then any of you with your own beliefs, I respect them all.  I know only the truth because I believe in God and His power, and know that He is divine above all mankind as a whole because I have surrendered myself to His teachings.  The ego indulges the beliefs in thyself, but only the Holy Spirit can show you the truh.  If you do not believe, that is alright, because your belief is not necissary.  Convincing others that you (whomever you are, and whatever your beliefs) are correct does not change with is really true.  When the year 2012 comes, and the world does not end, it is because it is Gods will for His creations to live on.  But if it does, that is also His will and He manifests it unto people that were blessed enough to know it.  But man does not "know"... only God knows and only God can teach man truth throug through the spirit, not the ego.  I do not care if people argue or present their "facts" otherwise, because they do not matter.  I welcome your choice to say I am wrong because this is not my knowledge, it is only the knowledge that God has bestowed upon me.  I am only here to teach His truth, not my own truth.  I know the difference because He has shown it unto me as he will show it unto all who seek it.  What matters is that I am open to His teachings... along with a large portion of the world (I am not by far the only one who teaches on behalf of Gods will).  There is no other,  Only His will matters, only His will makes any difference.  Believing or disbelieving in God does not matter, He is real, whether you think so or not.  It is not my place to convince you of that, it is His.  It is only my place to teach what I can on His behalf and as His servant, and put an end to everyone on this earth who blindly believe that their beliefs hold some power over His.

[skymageinfinity]

I totally agree AlphaOmega.

I used to be obsessed with the end of the world because it brought sense into my life I guess.

But that was back then and I am over it now. It was just a phase I got over.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, The beginning and the end."

[lullabi]

Neo:

A pole shift is due, but when planets align, nothing happens. The gravitational force is very weak. It would have to be the size of a star, which would make it a star, because it would start fusing.

Besides, gravitational forces don't ACT on magnetic forces. They're seperate. There are four forces: Gravitational, elecromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear. None of them act of each other.

So a planetary alignment, even with a star, wouldn't switch the Earth's magnetary pole. Also, a pole shift is totally minor, it happens all the time..

I personally don't think anything big is going to happen in 2012.