John Edward! Fraud or Not? Post opinion!

clandestino · August 18, 2003, 08:45:52

i was just trying to put across the point that I would be 100% certain he's a fraud if I had seen him ! but you're right Goingslow, it does read pretty badly...

Goingslow, unfortunately for us the physical world is built on logic and safety ! And being sceptical is part of that. I've seen t.v. psychics before (on t.v. suprisingly) and they are simply frauds.

Believe what you want, and remember that a fool and his money are easily parted !

clandestino · August 18, 2003, 08:57:30

goingslow, it looks like you're from the "how can you possibly know anything about it, you've never done it" school of thought.

Good for you ! But I don't intend to pay up to find out whether I'm right or wrong.

Anyway, its all getting a bit heated in here now... no disrespect meant, goingslow.

regards,Mark

Nay · August 18, 2003, 09:04:08

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Having never seen John Edwards before, I can only say with 99.9% certainty that he is a fraud.

I too found this a little ummmm..strange to say, then to be followed by a opinion on something you have never seen..

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hi Nay ! I'll take some time to look at your link later.

I really hope you do..hehehe..then you might have some info to base your opinion on..(but beware..they are actually ppl who have spoken to JE)

Well, I must go..Crossing Over is on!..LOL.
Something I noticed while watching, when someone starts to give info, instead of just answering yes or no, John Edward says.."no, shhh don't tell me, that is my job.." If he was a fake wouldn't he just allow them to spill their guts and make his job easier?...ok, I am back to watching Crossing Over..[

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Nay. [

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Nick · August 18, 2003, 09:10:45

Just read over this thread, and have seen "Crossing Over". It seems like JE does give specific enough answers to people. That is, brings up specific enough information that only the relatives or friends in the audience would know about. So, I think he has psychic abilities based on what I've seen.

Also, curiousgirl mentioned a book. I have read that book. It is impressive in the scientific way JE and others were scrutinized. The book leaves little room to think JE is a fraud.

Another thing, my opinion is that for most people, that is people just watching tv, JE could have a positive spiritual impact. This is, because some people need reassurance of life after physical death. In my opinion, this show provides it to them.

Finally, on a personal note, I do appreciate and value what Adrian says. One of the nice things about this forum is we can agree to disagree. goingslow, I value what you say as well, but I can't help but feel you're making your disagreement with Adrian a bit personal. I'd like to hope we can have different opinions and treat each other with respect.

Very best,

clandestino · August 18, 2003, 09:29:55

Hey, we don't get "crossing over" here ! I feel like we're missing out...

Anyway I'm gonna go away and actually find out a bit more about this JE guy before blindly chucking in my 2 pence worth again ...
cheers.

Nay · August 18, 2003, 09:50:24

Hehehe..ok everyone..group hug!!...

awwwwwww, much better!!! Ok, I will not post anymore on this topic, I guess it could go on and on..[:O] I believe, I don't, I do, I don't....hehehe.

I guess I just felt the need to stick up for JE..[

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Hugs,

Nay [

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goingslow · August 18, 2003, 10:19:50

yeah.. group hug

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Originally posted by clandestino

goingslow, it looks like you're from the "how can you possibly know anything about it, you've never done it" school of thought.

regards,Mark

Id never suggest you have to become a medium before you call some medium a fraud. It just seems right to watch a person's work before you call them a fraud with 99.9 degree of certainty. Maybe thats unrealistic.

I do believe if you're prepared to give criticism be prepared to receive it. I wouldnt take offense by anything after I criticized someone else. But it goes all ways.

Just like Lasher and nick have their comments. Its all part of puting criticism out there and is fair (in my mind).

If there's truth in them then Im glad they told me.

One possible criticism: I came back after I said I wouldnt.
Judgemental on many things is another.

Best thing you can do is look at yourself.. before but especially after you look at someone else.

clandestino · August 18, 2003, 12:48:24

fair enough goingslow...i was too hasty earlier on with my ridiculous 99.9% post ! It didn't come out as I meant it.

Anyway, no offence taken !

ps I didn't expect to see you back, after you said that you wouldn't, either ?!

goingslow · August 18, 2003, 14:03:01

One possible criticism: I came back after I said I wouldnt.
Judgemental on many things is another.

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way ahead of ya.

Adrian · August 18, 2003, 14:39:21

Greetings Goingslow,

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Originally posted by goingslow

LOL Adrian you really do crack me up.

So the break down is how much they make off their books. Here's a news flash JE makes most of his money off his books. But he might get a better deal than RB.. you're right.. when you break down the percentages.

It is nothing to do with selling books per se, but rather motive. No one could accuse Robert Bruce of gross commercialism, and Robert does help an enormous number of people without wanting compensation. How many people does John Edwards help without charge do you think?

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So John edward doesn't benefit humanity and he's not struggling just to feed his kids. Apparently you didnt read the part where the tickets to see his television show are free and the money he receives from that are from the network.

I didn't say he does not benefit humanity, and I have no idea whether he even has any kids. I know the tickets for TV audiences are free, because they need the enough people for it to work and appluad in the right places. What I said was he gets highly paid by the TV networks.

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almost every post you make has a "who is higher" feel to it.

In your own mind perhaps. I am not comparing Robert and John Edwards on a Spiritual level, but on a humanitarian and philanthropic level.

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Again the Seminar.. free? When does the importance of the books stop and the spirituality end.

You are making things too black and white. I am talking about overt commercialism as opposed to a genuine motivation to assist people as is the case with Robert for example.

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In a way I envy you. It would be kinda nice to sit around with these set formulas. A book that benefits humanity. ahh spiritually aware and advanced. You get offered a TV show .. obviously not spiritually aware. That you broke it down to exactly how much profit they make off of a book and equate that to spiritual awareness really went above the call of duty.

You take things too literally [

] I comment on what I see and believe, not to "set formula".

With best regards,

Adrian.

Kazbadan · August 18, 2003, 14:51:53

Who is John Edwards and why does everybody knows who he is, except me?

goingslow · August 19, 2003, 13:11:16

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You take things too literally I comment on what I see and believe, not to "set formula".

I thought about it and I realized that because of the fact you're the Admin here I often take your posts as coming from some "authority". Which really shouldnt be the case, since it isnt really fair to you.

I came off more harsh than I intended partly due to some BS at work.. which always seems to carry over when I log on here. I apologize for that.

I would like to add the tickets are given at random and people dont applaud or ooh and aah on cue. I really suggest people watch the show.. It isnt what I expected because after seeing a few people who "talk to the dead" I refused to watch it. Then to please my g/f I finally sat down to see it and he really goes out of his way to not talk about jewelry or let people "make things fit". Often people will say "thats me.. you're talking about me" and he'll say "no I'm not..". Where as many others are so grateful someone validateswhat they're saying they let whomever own it.

I had to think back on my view of people who do what he does to realize I felt the same way. Like I said he's very aware of the debunking sites and he always clarifies "you already told me his name so.. or nw I know what she died of" if they blurt it out. He is very careful not to cheat. IN fact he shows what a person might do if the cold read at times because hes all for debunking frauds. He'll tell the audience not to give ANY additional information.

Anyway, if people watch and have real gripes with how he reads thats one thing. But to just assume he does these tricks he purposely exposes and stays away from really isnt right.

take care

MJ-12 · August 19, 2003, 13:23:39

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Kazbadan · August 19, 2003, 15:15:26

And what is the problem with him? Why are you discussing him so much, makin comparisons with Robert Bruce?

no_leaf_clover · August 19, 2003, 17:00:37

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Originally posted by MJ-12

John Edwards is one of the many Democratic Presidential candidates to replace Bush in 2004.

More like a TV psychic that has a show on Sci-Fi called 'Crossing Over'.

xgoz · August 19, 2003, 19:45:37

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Tayesin · August 19, 2003, 23:16:15

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Originally posted by goingslow
What do you care what someone else uses their gifts for? Your path should be everyone elses? Its a value judgement based on nothing but new age books which state its wrong to make money in this world. That is unless you do psychic stuff as a hobby and are a CEO or engineer on the side.

Its based on new age BS which says everyone has to be the same. A person struggling 9-5 making housecalls doing psychic work. Cracks me up how a group of people who claim to "think outside the box" are so tied into New age philosophies on what a person should or shouldnt do to show their spiritual awareness.

Hi All,
Going Slow, I care because it is my chosen task to make a change in this world, to make a difference. My opinion is not a value judgement it is what I have come to understand on my path, and no, all people should not be the same.

Whether I am teaching journey techniques or regressing people to past lives, counselling or helping people to meet their Guides, I always do so for free. It is my goal to share with Love as I do not need the trappings of wealth. These things mean so much more to me than money ever could, because I do not live the western lifestyle of excess and over-abundance. I know the Universe supplies all my needs and am happy for that. This is not new-age semantics, it is a fact in my life.

Please understand this, I have no qualm with John charging money for sharing his gifts, only with the amount that he charges for the small benefit he is providing. He could just as easily teach people how to meet and work with their own Guidance which is far more beneficial to the individual in todays society, and he could also make a comfortable living out of it, instead of reaping in the Millions for personal gain. As an aside to this, I would dearly love to see John use his wealth to do good works in the real world that would help others in real ways. That would be an effective use of his personal excess, and I am confident that he will come to do this in a few more years.

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clandestino · August 20, 2003, 03:11:37

hi folks, has anyone heard of an American medium called John Holland ? He was on the James Whale show here in the UK last night....I took a few notes of the converstations he had with callers...but i forgot to bring them in ! will do this tomorrow.

It was interesting stuff. He also recommended people read Bob Monroe's books, after one caller talked about his astral sight / sleep paralysis.

curiousgirl · August 20, 2003, 21:28:44

hmmm... i don't know what to say about how much he charges... i had only heard that he charges 200 for private readings... haha, maybe he's boosting prices to discourage people from bugging him! [

] anyway, i don't really think that the fact that he does or doesn't charge, or how much he charges, really determines whether he has ability or not. only some good proof can determine that. while i agree that it would seem someone in contact with the spirit worlds should be more "spiritually aware" than the average person, i still think it's highly possible for someone to abuse even those kinds of powers. perhaps rare, but possible. when you're dealing w/the human race, you can count on someone being an exception to the rule... nobody's perfect! he could be a case of a highly talented person letting it all get to his head. and perhaps john edward has his own unique lesson to learn from this, this circumstance of having a unique ability and abusing it for fame & money. i say it's bound to happen sometime, that you'll run across someone who is in touch with other worlds, but is still corrupted by materialism. well, john edward will get his ultimate lesson eventually for ripping people off, ability or no ability.

seth817 · August 23, 2003, 10:18:34

I think he is most likely a fraud. I think that he is using cold reading thats when someone keeps on asking peaple questions fishing for clues. If he really was in comunication with the deceased then why does he have to ask the living so many questions.

xgoz · August 15, 2003, 17:35:51

Do you think that John Edward is a fraud or not. Easy yes/no or give an explanation too. Thanks, xgoz.

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