The Neverending Thread (was SATAN DECEIVES YOU)

[Tenacious]

wow, what strong words.  I respect opions very much, but I must say that OBE is not a work of "satan".  Furhtermore, why do you bother converting others to your beliefs?  I am christian, yes of course.  I believe in Jesus and God, and the holy spirit, spirit being our AP selfs...  Please hear me out, don't bash my thoughts because you were taught to.  Respect my opions and statements, and i will respect yours.

Peace-

-Tenacious[]

[curiousgirl]

[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]allanon, this debate (which is spreading through several topics already!) is getting exceedingly pointless.  there is no point in arguing with you if you only see and hear what you want to see and hear.  if you cannot give some other support for your claims beyond thumping your bible, then you best JUST LEAVE US ALONE ALREADY!!!!  you obviously won't even consider or think about anything we say with any kind of effort, and like i said, we're all a stubborn lot with that serious problem of thinking for ourselves. so if you want to feel good about yourself and reach some conversion quota you've set for yourself, you should just go somewhere where everyone's a lot more malleable.  talk to us when you are ready to give us a good debate, with good, logical thinking.  here you are just kicking around (according to you) a bunch of dead corpses[xx(] that will never reach heaven.  let us rot in our beloved hell... we're happy here.  you know why?  because we're all demonspawn... we're satan's servants in disguise as human beings.  heck, how do you know we're even humans?  we could just be electronic fictional personalities that satan is creating to spread his evil teachings![:O][][)][][][}:)][}:)][}:)]  mwahahahaha[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][8D]

[LA FORET MAUVE]

quote:Originally posted by curiousgirl
[brwe're satan's servants in disguise as human beings.  [:O][][)][][][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]  mwahahahaha[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][8D]

shhhhtt ! It was a secret ! [}:)]

Satanicely your

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[Tenacious]

Why must I HAVE to go to hell? Its too hot there![]

[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]

Thats a nice touch []

ps:i think satan gave me heartburn[]

[Man Of Jade]

*Stretches his arms and gets to work*
Allanon, isn't it true that Astral Projection happens in the bible?
2nd Corinthians 12:1 thru 4
God caused this to happen to Paul himself... So wouldn't this be of god?

[curiousgirl]

that's it, man of jade! [8D]  perhaps that's what we need... some arguments from the bible itself... he's obviously not going to listen to any kind of other reasoning... if it's the bible he wants, then so be it, eh?  the bible's the only thing he'll listen to.  unfortunately, i won't be able to contribute anything to that kind of debate. [:I]

[Makaveli]

Here is some more from the bible relating to ap.

"Then the spirit lifted me up and I heard behind me the noise of the Lord rumbling as the glory of the Lord rose from its place." - Ezekiel 3:12

The rumbling noise is a very common exit sensation with projections.

"Remember him, before the silver cord is severed ... and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." (Eccl. 12:6-7)2

The silver cord is considered by some to be what connects your astral body.

Acts 10:10-11 -- He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.

Projectors leave their bodies from a trance like this guy did in the bible.  

Corinthians 12:2-4 -- I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows. And I know that this man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows-- was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

Also here is biblical support for NDEs.  
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen02.html

[Allanon]

It is True that the Bible has AP experiences. But the reasons for these experiences coincide with the Truth that is found in Christ. If you look further especially in the case of Paul you will see that the purpose of these visions was to validate the Truth of the Gospel and of the power of God. Here on the board most AP without any knowledge of the power of what they are getting into or that the Devil has a say in things as well. If you do not belong to Christ you belong to Satan. When you AP you are in danger of attack from evil spirits. I invite you to read the following passage as it partains to the supremacy of Christ.

quote:15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
21Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[6] your evil behavior. 22But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation-- 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

Obtain your salvation from the cross and then worry about walking in "dreamland".

[PeacefulWarrior]

Tisha, thank you SO much for your input in this forum.  You have said what is in my heart.

To quote you:
"Ye shall be known by your fruits. The effective christian evangelist, the one who truly GETS Jesus, has a loving glow that can be felt even across the Internet. He/she is kind, does the right thing, and gives loving advice in a loving way. People think, "I want to be peaceful and loving and happy and right with God, how did he/she get that way?" And then they ask questions, and the evangelist responds with his/her story. This is how it's done."

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE!  I hope I come off like this, truly.  I mean, I am a Christian but I sincerely hold no judgement for anyone and I realize...well, I realize the TRUTH and it has "set me free."
You also wrote:
"The rest of you . . . Jesus is alive and well and happy to let you get to Know him if that's what you want. You don't need to be threatened into conversion, in order to Know This. Therefore, I suggest everyone treat online religious threats the way you'd react to any street-corner evangelist . . . give him a wide berth, and keep on walking."

I think you have done more to help others understand the truth of Christ here than our poor friend Allanon.  I think he means well, and I agree with his fundemental message, but it's his delivery[].

Anyway, I am going to try to avoid this thread for it's somewhat heartbreaking to me to read what Allanon says and some of the horrible, blasphemous things people are saying about my best friend, Christ.

Daniel

[Allanon]

quote:See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.
9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[1] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

I suppose my next question is this?

How does AP ing save your soul?

[Allanon]

quote:I think you have done more to help others understand the truth of Christ here than our poor friend Allanon. I think he means well, and I agree with his fundemental message, but it's his delivery.

I guess you have to ask yourself if a lovey dovey approach is going to get through to those that allow themselves to be deceived. When Jesus saw the abominations going on in His Fathers house He threw down tables and caused a scene. Sometimes it takes a punch in the face to realize the Truth. It did with me as I sounded just like the others here on the board.

If I am so totally wrong on the nature of Christ than why have there been over 60 replies in one day?

[Anonymous]

Hello Allanon,

A diplomatic approach is far more effective than a forceful one.  A forceful approach will put people on guard, and they are not as likely to take you seriously.  As for the Bible, question if you truly understand it.  How can you blindly believe and say, "I know, because the Bible told me so."  That is like if I sat down all my life and never learned how to walk because, "People already told me what walking is like.  I don't need to experience it."  You know as well as I do what effect your messages have been having and will continue to have.  Belief is not knowledge.  Belief is belief.

I also noticed that you have been bringing up Satan and the Devil repeatedly, as well as the Anti-Christ.  Look at humanity!  Each one of us is the Anti-Christ, for so many of us are against Christ, are we not?  Perhaps not in our minds, but in our hearts.  Allanon, instead of looking on the outside you should begin looking inward, at your own reactions, your thoughts, your feelings.  Are they really that much better?  There are devils within us all...they are called anger, pride, gluttony, etc.

"The exterior is a reflection of the interior." Samael Aun Weor

And please, before you start bashing Samael as a worker for the devil, please learn about him, please read his books, and you will see that he references to Christianity a great deal, as well as several Eastern religious sciences.  He was a great person as well; he once gave his shirt to a beggar without thinking twice and when his son's car got stolen, he gave him his enthusiastically.

You aren't going to get anywhere spiritually just sitting around and believing.  You have two options:

1) Investigate and experience.
2) Sit around believing and see where you wind up when you die, if you are even conscious enough to notice that you're dead as there is no tomorrow for the personality of the deceased.

There is nothing wrong with beliefs or faith, but do not let them control your life.  If observing internally and noticing how negative we are is a tool of the devil, then God hath no mercy.

Please be more rational, Allanon.  I know that you are entirely capable of it.

Kevin

[LA FORET MAUVE]

Allanon, can you tell us your story ? Maybe that could help us to understand you more ...?

Please consider that all those bad things that have been said about Jesus are reactions of wich YOU are totally responsible now.

Hell is made with good intentions

[curiousgirl]

uh.. i hope i haven't said anything bad about jesus... i don't recall if i might have gotten worked up and said something... i have respect for him and try to avoid badmouthing him because i know it's not his fault that his followers are so warped.  if i've said anything against him, i apologize for it.  anyway:

_{quote: It did with me as I sounded just like the others here on the board.}

yes, i agree with la foret mauve... you should tell us about your own experiences... this should be fascinating, to know your background, and what made you.... so zealous.

[Tao]

I suggest everyone to read Tisha`s thread on this forum "How to undo the damage" (it is a sticky actually) - i think you will all gain a little more information about what you are all doing

So.. go ahead.. Read Tisha`s post and then come back here and post..

Just a thought,
Mike

[PeacefulWarrior]

To anyone who has said anything offensive regarding Jesus:

First of all, please read the last post I made in this thread.

Second, I don't agree with Allanon's approach.

Thirdly, I am a Christian and I find it very sad that some of you have said very negative and duragatory things about my Savior.  I don't trash you, your family, your friends, your beliefs.

Getting suckered into saying those things really just shows how easy someone like Allanon gets under your skin.

And finally, I am not going to hold anything against anyone, but I just ask for respect and tolerance.  Right from the beginning (look at my FIRST post in this thread) I told people to avoid getting sucked into this...

Respectfully,

-DT

[Tao]

Allanon.. 60 posts in one day it`s not your credit.. it is ours..

You should be thankfull you are not ignored.. not saying that you are right because there have been 60 posts in one day

Well.. - i see the waters are calm now (maybe they are all reading Tisha`s post - good)

And Allanon you didn`t answear my first question ? Why is that ?
I wasn`t trying to prove you anything - i just asked you - but you are more interested in this forums war than into helping me understand - that is nevertheless suspicous..

That being said I`ll leave you to read again Tisha`s post,
Mike

[Tab]

Ahaha.. Allanon, I reply to you because it's so easy and entertaining and I'm always curious as to what sort of stupid thing you'll say next. I mean, I've dealt with christians who put up a good argument before, but you're just plain hilarious. In a very pathetic, childish, and obviously misunderstanding way.

You're quite clearly a troll on this board, and if I didn't find your babble entertaining and a nice boost to my beliefs I probably would suggest you be banned. But for now I'd rather like to see you stay

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

The sumerian, indian, etc cultures were DEMONICALLY INFLUENCED CULTURES USED BY THE DEVIL IN ORDER TO DECEIVE THE ELECT. THEY WERE USED TO PROMOTE FALSE IDEAS AND LOOK THE "SAME" AS CHRISTIANITY. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BEING THAT JESUS CHRIST EMPOWERS ONLY ONE CHURCH AND PEOPLE AND THAT IS THE CHOSEN OF GOD.

Holy crap dude. These cultures do not "look" the same as christianity (and rightfully so, they came long before it). What I just said was that your christianity originated from what you're calling demonically influenced religions! Either you're not very good at logic or.. you're just plain stupid, but you just said that your religion was demonically influenced.
And Jesus empowers a lot more than one church, look up all the sects and divisions in Christianity. And all think they're Jesus' elect. So now what, more picking and choosing? Poor fool.

[Adrian]

Greetings PeacefulWarrior,

quote:Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior

To anyone who has said anything offensive regarding Jesus:

First of all, please read the last post I made in this thread.

Second, I don't agree with Allanon's approach.

Thirdly, I am a Christian and I find it very sad that some of you have said very negative and duragatory things about my Savior.  I don't trash you, your family, your friends, your beliefs.

Getting suckered into saying those things really just shows how easy someone like Allanon gets under your skin.

And finally, I am not going to hold anything against anyone, but I just ask for respect and tolerance.  Right from the beginning (look at my FIRST post in this thread) I told people to avoid getting sucked into this...

I think it is most important for everyone to realise there is a vast difference between Jesus the person, the Ascended Master, and his true mission on Earth, and the creed, dogma and distortions which followed due to the actions of mankind. The original words simply do not exist except, as Robert says, as thumbnail scraps of parchement. the bible was, for the most part written by man to justify and support the needs of the orthodox doctrines of the churches and their need to control people. Jesus (Joshua) the man, the Spiritual leader of the time intended none of this, and is almost certainly extremely dismayed to witness what has occured over the centuries in his name including much bloodshed and suffering; everything he was trying to turn around.

People can accept Jesus as a saviour if they so desire without the creed, dogma and doctrine of the church and their book.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Allanon]

Have any of you expert AP'ers ever talked with a Shaman from the rainforest and experienced the vine of the dead?

Christianity is the One True Religon and all others are counterfeits.

[Soulfire]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Have any of you expert AP'ers ever talked with a Shaman from the rainforest and experienced the vine of the dead?

Christianity is the One True Religon and all others are counterfeits.

Allanon,

At first I thought you were honestly well intentioned in your posts...trying to help people according to your belief system.  Now it honestly seems like you have degenerated into just being another Troll looking to provoke people and arguments.

I'm sorry it has come to this, but I do not wish to keep trying to have discussions with you.  Good bye.

--Soulfire

[Tab]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Christianity is the One True Religon and all others are counterfeits.

Christianity is just a sad ripoff of truth at the hands of the profane, end of story. Everything points to that as the real truth.

[shadowatcher]

I just cant believe that the bible remained unchanged for thousands of years, while everything else on the earth changed. Its just not possible for something to retain its message after 2,000 years of politicians..[]

[Allanon]

quote:I just cant believe that the bible remained unchanged for thousands of years, while everything else on the earth changed. Its just not possible for something to retain its message after 2,000 years of politicians..

All things are possible with God.

[Allanon]

OK, OK, I don't want anyone here to have hurt feelings so lets just call it a day and enjoy this link!!!

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/gijoe.html