meditation tapes/cd's

[alt0xFF]

quote:It is similar to the Monroe technology but better.

Correction: they claim it is better, but in reality it is not better or worse than Hemi-Sync or Awakened Minds, or the thing that I slapped together for myself for free, or any other binaural signal operating in delta frequencies. The only difference is that it costs 10 times more, which creates an illusion that it somehow should be better, which is amplified by their shameless claims. I mean if something costs more, its gotta be better, right? []

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I should also add that I make such statements based on the knowledge available to me from spending hours performing signal analysis of these products and days of listening and comparing what was available to me, but then again: WTF do I know?

[Kristina]

Not necessarily, and the Monroe stuff isn't cheap either.  Well, Holosync worked for me right away whereas I've had my Monroe cd's for three years and they've never done this.  I also have a cd called "Just The Tones" from Brainwave Mind Voyages, I've had this one for two years and I've listened to it a zillion times.  Same result, none.  Regardless.  I'm not telling anyone to buy it, it doesn't matter to me, I just wanted to answer the question about what I am using.  

If you "slapped something together" that works, for free, why don't you tell people about it here, I'm sure everyone will want to know.  Everyone is looking for something that will really, truly help.

Btw, have you tried Holosync?  Are you speaking from experience?  Just curious.

As long as we are on the topic of aids, I also have a Novadreamer from the Lucidity Institute.  This worked fabulously well and gave me my first LD and lots after that.  After about six months though, your brain gets used to it, sadly.  It was $300.  I still pull it out of the drawer every now and then and try it but no use.  The nice thing about Holosync is that they have 13 levels so your mind can keep stretching after it gets used to the level you are on.  I plan to keep going with it, even though it's expensive.

So you can see that I have in fact spent quite a bit of money on this.  But I can't imagine a better addiction to have!  Especially when it finally pays off.

*edit* I see now that you have stated that you have done lots of research on this.  I'd love to hear more if you would like to share.  Also, again, I'm sure others would like to know what you did as well, and how it works for you!  And how they can do it for themselves!  I'm quite certain most people will want to know.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Aids are fine as long as they do not become crutches. In all honesty you do not need to spend more money to develop, especially since you have such great success already. If you truly wish to develop I think it would be best to move away from any devices and learn to do this on your own. No aids are necessary, so why spend more money on getting more. Learn to do it on your own. []

Congratulations on your success.

[alt0xFF]

quote:If you "slapped something together" that works, for free, why don't you tell people about it here, I'm sure everyone will want to know. Everyone is looking for something that will really, truly help.

I did. Whoever wanted it - got it. It basically uses scheduling similar to Holosync's (the carrier frequency, however, is also scheduled and goes down to 80Hz) and incorporates neutral Hemi-Sync style background instead of "bells and whistles", which annoyed the hell out of me.

quote:the Monroe stuff isn't cheap either.

For $20 you can get the Transcendence CD, which is good for general meditation, and is functionally equivalent (but technically more elaborate) to Holosync - The Dive, less the annoying bells.
For another $20 you can get Deep 10 Relaxation CD, which is good for general sleep, and deep meditation. Functionally equivalent to Holosync - Immersion.
(Note that I'm talking about non-verbal versions)

Alternatively, for $35 you could get the Awakened Minds - Deep Meditation CD, which is functionally equivalent to Holosync - The Dive + Immersion.

Alternatively, you could get BWG and experiment to your liking, creating as many levels as you want. FOR FREE.

I'm curious - which Hemi-Sync materials have you tried?

I've worked with what I described above and have had similar results with any of it, (although I haven't had the chance to take the AwakenedMinds "apart" to see what's inside, nor have I tried BrainSync). But that's just me. Also, I think that Holosync "program" is just a scheme to suck money out of people's pockets. But of course, thats just my worthless uneducated opinion.

The bottom line is, is something works for YOU, stick with it.

[Kristina]

I view all aids as training wheels, to be discarded once you reach your goal.  I agree, no one needs any aids to develop themselves, the power is all within.  The training wheels just shorten the process.  If you have the power to make your own training wheels, more power to you.  I can't argue with that and won't!

I wish I had not mentioned the cd's.  I wish no one had asked.  That is not why I signed on to this board.  I really just wanted to share my experiences, and get some opinions on how to deal with fear and the lower astral realm, hopefully from people who have been there a lot and have conquered their fears.  I was feeling so happy but lonely, so I reached out.  That is all.

[Nick]

This topic reoccurs from time to time. Everyone is different, to be sure. What may assist one person in getting to mind-awake/body-asleep (Focus 10 in Monroespeak), may be altogether a different result for someone else.

There are numerous commercial binaural cds available, as well as Brainwave Generator (BWG). Personally, I feel that if something is helping you get to Focus 10 (and then beyond), that is what counts.

I agree with what fallnangel77 mentioned regarding a crutch, as my observation would be that it isn't a crutch unless you make it one. IMO, your frame of mind should ideally be that any binaural sound is a nice assist. However, that being said, one should try to phase or AP without a cd assist once you find yourself getting to Focus 10 regularly.

Also, welcome Kristina []. If you get a chance take a look at some of the topics made a "sticky" in the Astral Consciousness forum. There are some topics originated by Adrian and Frank that have a lot of great information on obes and astral phasing. They've helped me a great deal.


Very best,

[Kristina]

Thank you!  []

[alt0xFF]

Also don't mind me. I'm just a local butt.

[Kristina]

I feel kinda bad that my entrance to this board is focusing around this issue.  The astral travels themselves are what I really wanted to talk about!  *heavy sigh*  I'm not gonna talk about cd's anymore, but I may still share a travel or two from time to time if anyone cares to read it!  [:I]

[Radha]

Kristina,  I have a friend who has been many times to Monroe for more advanced work.  This person told me the tapes for the public are not as strong as what you get at Monroe.  If a person wigs out at Monroe they can help them calm down etc.  At home the guy may run down the street tearing off his clothes and yelling vote for schwartzenegger.
If you do "awakened Mind" my only suggest is to do each track until you have it nailed...then the next and so on.
Use the best and leave the rest is a good motto in buying tapes etc.
I write my own programs but have used Monroe and Awakened Mind and some others.
Welcome to the forums...we don't often beat up on new people so we'll all be nice to you and now let's all have a big group hug!!!

[Kristina]

Hello fellow astral travelers,

I signed up for this website because I was so thrilled about finally having some amazing and daily astral travels, other than the hit and miss results I've had for three years.  I finally seem to be able to do it every day and it is becoming more real and vivid (sometimes scary, sometimes awesome!).  As I'm sure you know, there aren't many people with whom to discuss this stuff in waking life!  I needed an outlet and some new friends so here I am.

I had mentioned my meditation cd in my posts and many of you have asked me about it.  I feel weird posting it because I'm not selling it but my typing fingers are getting tired so here it is:

http://www.easymeditation.com

It is similar to the Monroe technology but better.  They have lots of levels (13 total).  I've used the Monroe cd's and I've gotten nothing out of it, compared to this.  The tapes/cd's are not cheap.  The first level is $160.  I was told about it by my previous meditation teacher who has been teaching the Merkaba meditation for 10 years, she said this was better so I really listened to her and I bought the cd.  On my fourth listen I had 6 OBEs.  It's been at least one OBE every time since then (it's been over a month).  The tapes/cd's are not designed for astral travel, but they say on their site that having spiritual experiences is a "side effect" of the technology.  If you're like me you'll agree it is the main event.  Anyway I am NOT SELLING this stuff, just recommending it.  Like I said, it isn't cheap.  I'd love to hear that other people were getting the same benefit that I am getting from this technology.

Maybe listening to *anything* for one full hour would have the same benefit.  No, actually I don't really think so.

So here's how I have been using it for AP.  You have to listen to the thing for the whole hour.  I put the headphones on early in the morning.  The trick is staying mostly awake for it (but it works even if you doze off).  Prop yourself up a little, but not too much.  Let the cd sounds carry you away.  Nothing happens for me until the cd finishes.  When it trails off, the *lack* of sound wakes me up.  I lie still and focus on lifting out.  I say "I project to a higher dimension" to myself over and over.  Sometimes I lift out, but lately I've just been sort of shifting into the astral even without any vibrations.  (like, the astral kitty jumping onto my pillow, when I thought I was awake)  It's just all very cool.

Keep in mind you have to work at this!  You will not have results, with or without any aids, unless you are dedicating the time (daily) and mental energy.  (I refer you to Tisha's "OBE essay.") Good luck and keep me posted.

Kristina