suicide and obes, why not?

Rob · September 22, 2003, 12:04:15

You might be right in thinking that the afterlife is better but consider this - you incarnated, here, for a reason, so quit your whining and get to it!!!! Lol joke...but you get the idea. The physical might suck heavily at times, but there's still a purpose to it.

xander · September 22, 2003, 12:26:16

quote:
Originally posted by Inguma

You might be right in thinking that the afterlife is better but consider this - you incarnated, here, for a reason, so quit your whining and get to it!!!! Lol joke...but you get the idea. The physical might suck heavily at times, but there's still a purpose to it.

I've had negs try to talk me into suicide. I've known other people who have had those feelings and often it was Negs.
One freind I did a ritual for had a neg that thought if the guy killed himself his soul would leave and then it(neg) could inhabit his body.
After several attempts we finally banished the Neg.

Xander

Kazbadan · September 22, 2003, 12:27:22

That´s what everone says. "There is purpose." What about the childs that die and just don´t have any purpose with that? What about the thousands of people that have a completly stupid life and then they die in some stupid way? People that just don´t learn anything special, like eveyone. What purpose could it be?

I think that there is no purpose. We just born, live (?), and then die. That´s all folks! Life it´s just any other thing in the nature, like rocks, wood, clouds, wind, atc. There is no purpose, the creation it´s the result of incomprehensible laws of physics.

My question it´s still in the air: why not have a "perpetual obe" now, instead of being here suffering like a stray dog?! Maybe if i had a good life, i could wait with little or none desire for death, but since life sucks...why not?

Kazbadan · September 22, 2003, 12:33:32

Xander, about negs, i have no idea or way to know if i have negs in my life (i think not, because if so, then they must been chasing me since very very young. Even if i had negs i´m too tired and with no patience (and time!- my work is very busy!) for doing any ritual (wich i don´t know).

thanks in the same way

Hephaestus · September 22, 2003, 12:35:46

Some people who die before fulfilling their purpose are sent to the lower dimensions to relearn lessons forgot. Do not be one of them.

Kazbadan · September 22, 2003, 12:40:39

Maybe i was sent from an higher dimension, and this is the lower. If so, i´m not learning nothing knew. Instead i´m just forgetting things. My spiritual life it´s been a degrading road. Started like S*** and end like super s***.

You are correct, after this life i will enter in lower dimensions. After that dimension i will be in some worst place...and that will go on for eternety.

Hephaestus · September 22, 2003, 14:51:07

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Originally posted by Kazbadan

you are correct, after this life i will enter in lower dimensions. After that dimension i will be in some worst place...and that will go on for eternety.

[V] That is a choice you make for yourself - no higher force is going to tell you or make you do anything.
You cannot pass a math test without working hard at it and accepting the difficulty of the test and the learning process - im sure there have been some people who have dropped out of exams and tests but I can bet they look back and wish they'd stuck with it.

Kazbadan · September 22, 2003, 15:09:49

That´s not that easy. Many times there are forces in your life that guides your life in a way that you can´t imagine. Not evryone can be lucky. Using your example of the Math test, you must take into account this: bad students are often childs living with bad parents or with a bad family (not necessary poor, just bd, opressive, anything). Good students, most of the time, have good place to grow up correctly (emotionaly, etc). All that factors afect there life. It´s not just a matter of choice or working hard...sometimes you cannot even choose. Life is to complex.

And believe me that i cannot work hard, for reasons that you don´t even imagine. Everytime i start to build an house, a giant hurricane destroy every single thing that i have made until that moment.

Shadow20205 · September 22, 2003, 15:53:06

Theres always a reason for why something happens in your life, It could happen to make you a better person or test you, but no matter what the reason is your here. You gotta buckle down and enjoy the ride take it for what its worth.[

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Spirit_k9 · September 22, 2003, 16:24:19

It's really simple....

Life is what YOU make it. If you allow the negative aspects of this life to make your life crap, it will be crap. however if you decide to get off your butt, fight back, and make your life what you want it to be (good) your outlook will change.

Everybody gets down, and yes I've seen things and 'places' that made me not want to come back, but I know there are things to take care of here and no matter how down I may get sometimes I know there are good things about living that can't be had when not alive.

My son is now quadriplegic and completely dependant on me for many things due to a woman who uncaringly left him on the side of the road to die after running him down with her car. He laid there all night clinging to life by the barest of threads, made it through a 3 week coma, rahabilitation, permanent confinement to a wheelchair, and he's still here. He has a good outlook on life, which amazes me sometimes, but makes me happy none the less.

If he can be dealt such a hand and have a good outlook, I can't sympathize with anyone in a lesser situation that won't get off their butt and make their life something to aspire to. Set a goal for yourself, find your path....do something!

Euphoric Sunrise · September 22, 2003, 19:03:10

Kabadan, the fact of the matter is that you don't know what awaits you in the after-life. Nobody does. So how do you know you'll go to the astral once you die?
I agree completely with Spirit_k9. There are thousands of people out there far worse-off than you. I'm not saying i know you, but the simple fact that you're using the internet is enough to judge that you have some kind of fortunate life.
I see suicide as selfish. There's always somebody worse off than you, and ending your life isn't helping others.

sahlyn · September 22, 2003, 20:36:15

Here's a thread that happened a long time ago that I found quite touching.

I'm sure some of the posts there will provide you with insight into the matter.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1493

I've been sitting here trying to think of a good quote or something, but none come to mind, so I'll just end with a smiley face[

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beavis · September 22, 2003, 20:43:25

Kazbadan, if you're a king or a slave, I agree astral/afterlife is much better than life on earth, but I stay because I think staying this one life will make me at least twice as strong when I leave. This time its different. I'm not coming back, and I get to see the end of earth as it is now. If I left now, I might decide I had made a mistake and want to incarnate again but the only one I could find might be born 30 years ago. Thats 30 years more I'd have to stay here, and with less technology.

Kazbadan, If you think there is no reason for you to stay on earth and astral/afterlife is better, why are you still here? I will not think badly of you if you choose suicide.

clandestino · September 23, 2003, 03:05:37

Beavis, please take more time when you post things like this:

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I will not think badly of you if you choose suicide.

It is insensitive in the extreme.

Anyway Kazbadan, i agree with shadow20205 and spirit_k9. Have a positive attitude and get on with it ! I believe the state of a person's life is a function of their will to change it. Now, I'm not living the most exciting, brilliant life at the moment !! Far from it. But I recognise that there is only one person who can change that.

quote:
That´s what everone says. "There is purpose." What about the childs that die and just don´t have any purpose with that? What about the thousands of people that have a completly stupid life and then they die in some stupid way? People that just don´t learn anything special, like eveyone. What purpose could it be?

Yes, some folks are born in unfortunate circumstances. But that doesn't mean that there may / may not be a purpose to it!

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Do you get my point of view? Why do we need to continue living like zombies when the afterlife waiting for us it´s much more beautiful?

I don't believe that we are about to enter into a realm of "sweetness and light" ! ha ha...far from it. Our attitudes determine our experiences. Ironically, your belief that you will enter into a beautiful afterlife may colour your future experience. At the same time, your negative attitude may also affect your non-physical experiences.

quote:
My spiritual life it´s been a degrading road.

I'm sorry to hear this, I hope it changes in future !
best regards

Mark

beavis · September 23, 2003, 06:23:55

Clandestino, I stand by my opinion of suicide. It is everybodys right to leave any time they want. Earth should not be a prison. And I should not think badly of them because they want to be somewhere else.

It is you who are insensitive. You try to make Kazbadan a prisoner.

Novice · September 23, 2003, 07:15:05

Kazbadan-
I debatedon whether or not to respond. I'm not sure you will like what I have to say. But, speaking from experience, what I'm giving you is very sound advice.

I actually disagree with you on this point:

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Not evryone can be lucky. Using your example of the Math test, you must take into account this: bad students are often childs living with bad parents or with a bad family (not necessary poor, just bd, opressive, anything). Good students, most of the time, have good place to grow up correctly (emotionaly, etc). All that factors afect there life. It´s not just a matter of choice or working hard...sometimes you cannot even choose. Life is to complex.

In high school, I was captain of the cheerleading squad 4 years, on prom and homecoming committees and graduated a member of the National Honor Society. Sounds all bright and rosy doesn't it? My family should have an above average household income and be very emotionally stable and supportive if I understand your argument.

But what you didn't see was that my father was an alcoholic. We didn't have a lot of money. Being the oldest, it was my responsibility to babysit my two younger siblings while my parents worked. This started when I was 9 years old (yep home alone and in charge of 2 kids at the age of 9). When I was older, I worked during summer vacations and after school to earn money.

Please understand that I'm neither complaining nor bragging about these things. I'm merely stating facts. I have two siblings. Each one of us dealt with things differently. I'm fully grown and have my own family now. I am still getting over my father's dictatorial parenting style. (although that voice still creeps into my head occasionally).

Life is completely about choices. Most of those choices are based on your attitude, not physical actions. You can choose to let your current situation destroy you. Or you can view it as a challenge and do everything that you can to emerge from it. We learn some of our greatest lessons about strength, humility and compassion while facing adversity. None of those things would have been discovered if our whole life was warm and cozy.

I actually struggle sometimes in teaching the lessons I learned to my children. My oldest isn't as mature as I was at her age. But her situation doesn't require it either. I obviously would not wish for any of them to live with an alcoholic parent. But on the other hand, I wouldn't change a thing about my childhood. Because I wouldn't be the person I am today without living through each one of those experiences. And emotionally stable families are not capable of teaching all the 'positive' personality traits to kids. Whether we like to admit it or not, adversity is needed. I actually feel guilty sometimes because my children don't have a very difficult time right now. Somehow, I feel like they are missing something, yet common sense would say they have everything they need.

My suggestion to you is try to look at your experiences as chances to learn and grow. It isn't meant to be easy. The math test may sound like an oversimplistic example, but its not. Most people fail a test before walking into the class room -- its all about attitude.

Remember, no one can make you miserable, happy, sad, or suicidal. Those are all choices that you make yourself. Never give that power away to anyone else. That's the one thing that they can never control. Only you can control your own actions, based on your choices. And whatever actions you choose, you should accept responsibility for. Because you are the one who made those choices, not others.

So before reacting to anything, stop and decide what YOU want to do in the situation. Don't feel forced into something by someone else. There are always other choices. And whatever you decide to do, remember that its your choice that does it, no one else's.

clandestino · September 23, 2003, 08:04:09

fair enough Beavis, thats your opinion !

Where's kazbadan, anyway ?

Faithkinesis · September 23, 2003, 11:00:19

kazbadan is cool, he has great english and ideas like me[8D]

[

] kaz are you english yet

Soulfire · September 23, 2003, 19:03:38

One thing worth seriously considering for anyone considering suicide:

If you kill yourself, odds are that you did not accomplish what you came here to do. If this is true, you will most likely end up coming back and facing all the same crap again, only having to start completely over from scratch. You can put off your lessons as long as you want, but you can never truly "escape" them. The longer you try to "put them off", the more unpleasant they usually become.

On the bright side, facing our lessons is not usually nearly as difficult as we think it will be. I would suspect that if you look at your life closely, you will find that many of the things you consider so terrible are more a result of "putting off" facing some lesson squarely than it is the essence of the lesson itself.

If you ask with an open heart just what it is you need to learn, and are really open to the truth, I believe you will find life does not have to be as "terrible" as you feel it has been for you. The keys are honesty, sincerity, openness, and willingness to listen. That's 90% of all you need to get past anything.

Not only do I believe you will not "get out of" anything by killing yourself, but you will have also hurt all the people who care about you and have withheld your unique value from the world. You might not realize how special your unique contribution to the world is right now, but I promise you that there is something special only you have to share with the world. If you kill yourself, you will not only still have to face everything that seems so overwhelming to you already now, but you will also have to deal with the addition of all the negative karma such a selfish action will bring into your future lives. It is also distinctly possible that you would bring some or all of your earthly negaticity with you to the afterlife and create something not so pleasant for you there as a result of it. You are better than that.

You can beat this. If you honestly feel you can't, pray for help...I promise you it will be there for you if you are open to receive it.

--Soulfire

beavis · September 24, 2003, 10:47:35

Soulfire "[Kazbadan if you suicide you will] have withheld your unique value from the world"

If he doesnt suicide, he will withold his unique value from the part of the afterlife he didnt go to because he was here instead.

xander · September 24, 2003, 12:11:12

this whole thread sounds like a converstaion with a neg I had when I was going through suicidal feelings. in the end, I kicked it's arse!

I'm feelin froggy today and challenge any neg that is telling anyone to kill themselves.

You wanna play neg? come on then! I'll play....but by MY rules!!!!

Xander the Great
(slamdancer of lizards, greys, negs and other spiritual malcontents).

Alezunde · September 24, 2003, 22:51:29

Depression screws up energy levels. It equals negative energies.
Negative energies means you can't defend yourself well enough against negative astral entities. And you get screwed. Don't try to go OBE if you're depressed man - it won't turn out good at all.
I've been depressed before. I know that it is entirely not worth it.
Gah. My thoughts just flew out of my head. I'm sure I had something to say. Well, I'll post again later. Good luck man.

-Alezunde

Nayru · September 25, 2003, 02:22:02

*has nothing to say and simply hugs Kazbadan* Don't give up the fight. For it's really, really, worth fighting. You cannot except life to be all happy. A part of my life is excrement. But the other part is love and happyness. That's with everyone like that, even if a person doesn't notice. If you are only able to see the bad sides of life, you will forget about the good side, and things will seem even shittier than they already were. It's just like Empathy, really. There's a bad side, and a good side of Empathy. But the bad side can be so bad that Empaths sometimes completely forget about the good side, and start hating their Empathy, start hating themselves because of it.

Good luck and take care.

Kazbadan · September 25, 2003, 12:09:07

Hey! Beavis wants to kill me! (lol[

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Thanks guys, but you don´t need to worry with me: i´m not gonna to commit suicide, but sometimes life is really a s***! Besides that, i will not die until: i see (and touch!!hmmm) Monica Belluci (this means that i will never die ´cause i will never touch" her), be with Dalai Lama and make something real good to anyone in a incoditional way. Sometimes i feel that i need to expand my being by loving everyone and making good to the ones that really need it. Sometimes i just want to escape from my life, abandon everything and start a new life, a life dedicated to the others, just like Buda did. But this are only mere words and thoughts, i will still worth nothing until turn them into acts.

Soulfire · September 25, 2003, 16:02:27

Hi again,

It's worth considering that you do not have to physically die in order to get a fresh start. "Dying to the past" is a simple decision, and opens up your life to a brand new present and future. Many times this is done in conjunction with a ceremony, but the actual power of the act is in the decision itself. I suppose you probably know all this already, but sometimes hearing something again can still be helpful. Maybe you are not as far away from your "fresh start" as you think?

--Soulfire

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