suicide and obes, why not?

[Gandalf]

Kazbadan_

Yes life can suck sometimes etc etc, but that doesnt mean there is no point to it. I see a great point to it as the earth realm is the greatest learning experience ever, and like all good learning experiences, some of the lessons can be painful, but you'll be better off for learning them just the same.

Yes, some people die in pointless random events. The way I see it, this can be for two reasons. 1) it really is a random event. I believe that although there are pre-ordained events, there is also a small random element involved in the material world that is an essential part of it and is vital for learning, as it throws up unexpected events. I know this might be hard for some people to accept after something really dirty happens but from a broader perspective all we have to do is go back in again and have another shot at what we want to do.
2) the dirty event is preordained as a vital learning experience which we may not understand the benefit of here but will come apparant in the future.

So yes, I agree with others here in that we are all here for a reason and we should stop winging and get on with it!

Douglas

[Alezunde]

Whoo. Ok. I'm back to post again.

There are a few ways to see life:
1 - Life throws excrement at you whenever it gets the chance.
2 - Life just happens.

I am a firm believer of number two. Sure, stupid stuff happens in life, which can make it suck. But life is not an entity bent on making your life hell.
Come on, look at life with a little lighter heart. Try laughing when bad stuff happens. It helps. A lot.
A lot more people live really dirty lives, and it doesn't show a mark on them. It's not because they're tougher, or because they just don't notice it - it's because they look at life the way they do.

Ok... so I'm not making much sense here.

- Perception alters reality. That's all I can say.
If you will see life as a dismal hole in the ground, then you will be in a dismal hole in the ground.
If you will look up and see the clear blue sky, and the way out of the hole, then you will get out of the hole.

As insensitive as it sounds, we punish ourselves, cause our own suffering, then blame it on life. It's how it happens.

Try to get a better outlook on life, and don't be so convinced that life will always be torture, otherwise it will be.

Anyways... I hope that made sense - I was kind of rambling a bit.

-Alezunde

[Risu no Kairu]

Suicide is the mostly selfish act a person could commit. Anyone who has, is going to, and threatens to commit suicide really makes me angry. They're idiots who are self-centered and don't care about anyone else. They shouldn't have anyone's respect because they're so selfish.

[Soulfire]

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

Suicide is the mostly selfish act a person could commit. Anyone who has, is going to, and threatens to commit suicide really makes me angry. They're idiots who are self-centered and don't care about anyone else. They shouldn't have anyone's respect because they're so selfish.

Thinking of or even committing suicide is only a mistake.  If we refuse to respect and/or love someone because they are in a negative state and/or make a mistake, then we have made our own mistake.  When we put conditions on our willingness to respect or love, then we inflict negativity on ourselves as well as the rest of creation.  We are not limited in how much love we have to give - in fact it is just the opposite.  

It's worth thinking about: what are we really accomplishing when we choose to judge and then restrict our expression of love to the world around us based on those judgements?  What is gained?  What is lost?  Is it really worth it?

--Soulfire

[Kazbadan]

It may look so Risu, but you are being very egoistic saying that. You never entered the soul of someone with real suffering, you just don´t know what you are saying. The childs that cry for famine, in Africa, they are the most stupid beings in the world and they make me angry...why, because they are really egocentric. Yesterday, someone was crying because her boyfriend was died in an accident...what a silly person!!! Self egoistic! She s really stupid! Crying for the boyfriend!! Puff! only a selfish person that doesn´t care for someone can do that! What about WTC? All the people crying and suffering with deaths of the friends and familiars...they are selfish, egoistic...Or why not saying the same for the guy with a cancer that causes horrible pains day and night in his body? He crys for that and cry because it´s alone in the hospital (the family has died in a accident with gas). Thay stupid person should be shame for himself!! Egoist!!!!!!

Being violent with a suicidal person will not help anyone! I will not commit suicide, but if i was, some answers here wouldn´t be of any help. Saying things like "You are being stupid! There are people that his in biggest pain than you (puff, btw: how can i be happiest for knowing that others are in biggest pain than me? - supposing that i´m suffering of course)!" or "You should be shame you! Only the weakest ones do that!".  That kind of answers it´s violent for a suicidal. And besides that, you must remember that many suicidals are very sensitive and really love other people and want to help them, but when they reach the critical point they are mentally weak and consequently, they are physically weak. They can´t help themselves, and as so, they cannot help the others. So, you just can´t say that they are stupid selfish! They just don´t see the path. they need someone that can hold there hand, not someone that will punish him just because he has fallen into the ground! The doctors exist to help the weak not for killing them!

I´m not saying this because of me (since i´m far away from suicide), but i just want warn you against possible suicidal persons. One of the best attitudes it´s the one taken by Beavis: in a funy way he sayed that he wants me dead, because with that i would be free, etc, etc. If he sayed that in a serious way, it would be something completly different.

Jesus was biggest than anyone here and he ddn´t sayed that kin of things to the people suffering with diseases. Buda showed a great compassion for the ones that were no enlightened.

Not everyone can be like Buda or Jesus!

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

Suicide is the mostly selfish act a person could commit. Anyone who has, is going to, and threatens to commit suicide really makes me angry. They're idiots who are self-centered and don't care about anyone else. They shouldn't have anyone's respect because they're so selfish.

It is clear you are suffering from a state of ignorance. I assure you suicidal people are not concerned about themselves in the sense you think they are. In a way they are more concerned with others than themsleves, yet it has takin on a nefgative form in which they have lost themselves in the pain of others.
People who kill themselves are afraid and often depressed, rarely is it a mentality of "i'll show them".
please educate yourself in regards to depression and suicide.

Xander

[Kazbadan]

Xander, i totally agree with you. We need to be careful with someone suicidal: by one side, we cannot say agressive things like Risu sayed, but in the other hand, we cannot give excessive attention, because in a strange way that could be an incentive for them to commit suicide. It´s better to get informed in a specialist to know how to act in such situations. But each case it´s a case.

There are many kinds of depressions. Myself had different kinds od depression in the past. There was provoked by the thought that no one loves me, etc, etc. I was really bad. But one day (even now i don´t know how i reached that state) i had a depression completly different from everything i knew. It was almost physical, atacking not only my mind, but my neurons, my brain itself, all the structure of my being. It´s difficult to explain in my natural tongue, and even worst in english! That depression has make me entered in a so horrible state that i only wanted to kill me. I was not particulary sad or unhappy (like in other depression). It was mentally stronger than any other thing. There even wasn´t any auto-compassion (like in almost suicidals have), but instead some kind of force almost physical givin me insights that life is a non-sense thing, "saying" me that living is stupid and no logical and that my life was completely useless.

Well, i don´t know what more i can say about something so strange and difficult to explain, but that second depression was really horrible and not particulary self-centered. This is a proof (for me) that suicidals are not particulary thinking in themselves. Even know i´m thinking in what stopped me in commiting suicide!

Maybe some of you are thinking that it could be a neg or the like, but i think that the feeling borned in the deepest corners of my being, it doesn´t look like a spirit. At least it´s what i think (but i may be wrong).

[Kazbadan]

If OBing is so good and beatifull, why we just don´t commit a colective suicide?! You could say "OBe is good but life is better!"? Really? My life is a s***, maybe if i make "seppuku", i will find something good in the other life. Maybe not,  but since astral projecting is funny and very good...

Do you get my point of view? Why do we need to continue living like zombies when the afterlife waiting for us it´s much more beautiful?

And don´t say things like "Life is beautiful and blablabla" because that it´s just for some lucky guys, but not for the bilions of people suffering everyday in the most variable ways (famibe sickness, war, -the typical ones- etc, etc).

Life is so heavy...sometimes it is just like if i were carrying some big and painfull burning rock of iron...maybe i should change my name to Atlas...

good bye cruel world!!

(i was kiding now...don´t worry, will not do anything crazy[]...i hope!)